I didn't know Rich died! They said it was because steroids.
I was thinking of starting a short cycle of steroids just for some quick gains.
But that makes 2 people now that died and used steroids, Zyzz and Rich are both gone now.
I don't know what to do now... Are steroids worth the risk?
>Are steroids worth the risk
Not in my opinion. There are ways to carefully cycle and dose relatively safely, but that doesn't change that you'll lose most of it when you come off and you still risk a myriad of health issues. However, if those two deaths are your prime example of the dangers of steroids, then don't worry, I can't speak for Zyzz but Rich was on an ungodly stupid amount of steroids for a very long time.
Rich measured his doses in fucking kilograms. It's a miracle he made it as long as he did
How come you lose it all?
I haven't worked out in years so I could make nice noob gains. Say I started working out for 6 months WITH steroids.
If I stopped would I lose anything since I am still in the noob gains window?
Rich didn't die of steroid
Is this fucking Reddit? Don't do opiates you dumb fucks
Risks are dose dependent and probably linear to exponential as doses increase. Gains though follow a logistic growth curve with diminishing marginal returns though.
So modest doses carry lesser risks but still great returns
What are you on about?
>Would I lose anything
Yes. A lot. It cripples your ability to naturally produce testosterone for quite a while. I've heard sometimes longer than 6 months. That's 6+ months with no ability to maintain or build muscle tissue.
Why not just take advantage of your ability to make noob gains you impatient fuck?
Could I just take artificial testosterone for those 6 months where I'm not making my own and not lose any muscle?
Unlikely to lose. While supraphysiological muscle mass probably cannot be maintained at normal testosterone levels, there's no reason why merely significant muscle mass couldn't be
What do you think steroids are?
>Are steroids worth the risk?
No.
It's amazing how many people on a board dedicated to health and fitness delude themselves that this shit is good for them
just fuckin do it then report back with your knowledge fag
Maybe I will cunt fuck you gayfag shit cunt get outside my thread bitch
This board is for 18+
>Can I just take steroids to counteract the side effects of steroids? Then maybe I'll take more steroids to counteract the side effects of those steroids.
look at the tough guy over here!
cringe
both this post and you shitting yourself over taking a grand total of 50mg of gear lmao
My coworker run a few light cycles and now one of his kidneys is failing at 26. He's not even past the natty limit.
its easy run grams for max gains and hop on trt for the rest of your life. Jow Forums natties BTFO!!
Rich died from hgh combined with cocaine. His heart was enlarged and the coke just fucked him up.
>Not supplementing with gamma rays.
Never gonna smash it.
i sometimes wonder what happened to dallas.. i heard he was just starting gh and he had some sort of spike while he was eating
It’s true that Zyzz and Rich both died from steroids, but they’re the only 2 to ever die from them out of the 300 people who use them (conservative estimate) - so overall the odds are in your favor if you choose to do steroids.
>300
look at this nerd.
try 30,000.
Not one part of that was right.
How many people take steroids? Of that how many have died?
Zyzz and Rich are big names but Seid and Laid also take steroids and they're still going strong.
Arnold supposedly took steroids too. And he's like 70 now.
I bet they're safe enough as long as you use them with moderation.
Moderation and careful monitoring and cpt usage and extreme attention to diet, sure. That doesn't change that not one part of that post was right.
altought arnold has gone thru open heart surgery which is known for causing notorious "pump-head" permanent cognitive impairement
piana had a heart sized two times normal male already. surprisinly he had little calcification of arteries due to good genes. supposed reason of death was arrythmia caused by stimulant drugs which narrow blood vessels to heart. steroids can cause heart disease advancing quickly and cancers too ofc
Was Rich a genetic god?
His heart was two sizes big. That explains his kindness and charisma, and his huge chest.
But really can steroids be injected right into your heart to make you an athletic god?
More importantly, will steroids make me into a manly assertive man?
I've always been a weak bitch, I'd do anything to be like those dudes who talk loud and have energy.
Air bubbles in needles kill people, not the roids themselves.
Think about it, you pin for years, get comfortable with it, you stop flicking the syringe as much and squirt as much out cuz you’ve learned the cost.
The air bubble sits in your tissue until it permeates into your blood stream. The air rejoins, goes to a vital organ blocking blood flow and BAM.
Dead.
Some guy lost his ability to speak clearly made a video trying to warn people about the dangers. It was a classic air bubble in the brain scenario. It moved to the heart and he died a few days later.
You can’t find it during autopsy cuz the body fills with gas.
If you roid, do it right with clean stuff and you’ll never have a problem.
Stop jerking to you “2D anime waifus” and get a hobby.
You don’t have anything to be confident about if you’re worthless
this is actually the end result a lot of the time. you get addicted to the gains
I don't jerk to hentai and accomplishing my professional goals never changed me.
Wait...Rich Piana used steroids???
I was dbol only cycles for 3 years on and off. I gain like a motherfucker eating just one 10mg Dianabol a day. I also used the same less amount for a cut and got ripped to shreds in the summer with it.
BUT even this tiny amount of roids had its effects. Haven’t roided in 2 years now been clean and life is meaningless without that feeling that you can conquere the earth. Too manh people died so i guess im stuck being a natty.
Atleast im 6’4 and can still deadlift 4pl8. Was lifting 5.5 on cycle just fuck my shit up desu famalam
Yeah apparently. He actually admitted to it.
If Seid comes out as a steroid user I'm going to quit haha
Plus when zyzz died it was linked to not only the amount of test, but fat burners, coke, and his own congenital heart condition. And being overheated in a sauna probably topped it off
If a heart attack became a person, it would look like Rich Piana. I was amazed every day I woke up and he was still alive.
> is it worth it?
I don't think so. The only people who care about surpassing the natty limit are other dudes in the gym. Normies will think you're Hercules if you bench two plates, and most girls are just attracted to face and personality.
>can still deadlift 4pl8
so you roid for 3 years and you are still only able to lift lmao 4pl8s
pathetic
>sits in your tissue until it permeates into your blood stream
If things could freely move in and out of the blood stream you'd turn into soup. There's a reason your body's systems are sealed and openings are tightly controlled.
Im not competing so why would I lift heavier? 5.5 is heavy ass weight and a lot more than what your average gym bloke lifts & your dead can consistently mog nolift betas that talk about lifting 7-8 plate
This thread gave me an aneurysm I can't believe how low IQ some of you people are.
nigga pls
fuck off back to Jow Forums faggot, this is 4channel
I miss him.
your heart grows from growth hormones and its not healthy
lmao, get a load of this guy
I feel like theres big air bubble in your brain atm
A LOT more than two have died from steroid use or the combination of steroids and recreational drugs , and any kind of steroid use over about 300mg test cruise is effectively bound to shorten your life somewhat
>MORAL OF THE STORY IS
>Don't take steroids kids
based!
Didn't rich die from a cocaine overdose?
"I've heard" oh here we go again. You heard eh must be true then.
>20y who's did an 8 weeker of dbol and test n kept 15lbs I was dyel tho
both of them died from things other than steroids. steroids aren't exactly safe but it wasn't what killed them
I can tell youre really uninformed. do a lot more research. dont fuck up your body without knowing what youre putting in it. Look up "the anabolic doc" on youtube
How are you natty you idiot??? Once you use steroides you cannot ever claim natty. Muscle memory n shiet.
>considering taking steroids ever
Just please you only have to be not so below average IQ to understand that you dont have to take steroids ever
Natty lifting is enough and ok and the only correct answer and wanting to surpass that is a mental illness,
expend the rest of the energy on other fields, natty lifting is the max in this field, long term results are decent for most people
skinny fat faggot detected
what did he take? tren?
retard
Didn't zyzz have an underlying heart defect though?
>using steroids right off the bat
never gonna make it
Not a roider but I think a cycle or two is nothing compared to the shit that man did to his fucking body.
first of all dont fucking do roids when you start out. If you dont hit your natty potential first you are a massive fag and might as well go to re**it
Second, you don't lose it if you are careful, in fact there is lots of evidence that just one cycle will make you more swole for the rest of your life and give you more mass and muscle synthesizing capacity its when idiots hop on with no idea what they are doing.
Zyzz also did massive amounts of coke, other hard drugs on top of roiding and drinking all at the same time.
Its a miracle he survived as long as he did.
Still was a sick cunt tho
steroids didnt cause either of those deaths