What to do when someone in the gym gives you shit advice? I'm just starting out, doing the SS program from the sticky, and today I was doing squats the way Rip tells you to do them: Back at 45° angle, look at the corner, etc. But then some guy came up to me, wanting to help me. So he started showing me his squat which was performed by keeping your back almost vertical, keeping your face pointed forward/up, and holding the bar with a wide grip. I really didn't want to correct him, because he was buff as hell, and I'm just a scrawny newbie. So I just did the squat the way he told me to. Have you ever dealt with something like this before? Should I debate him in the future?
What to do when someone in the gym gives you shit advice? I'm just starting out, doing the SS program from the sticky...
Leo Scott
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Angel Gray
Just say okay thanks and dont follow his advice
Gavin Cruz
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Benjamin Anderson
But what if he sees me doing it again and takes it the wrong way?
Evan Turner
Know why you do it the way you do it. If you're just taking it from the sticky without knowing why, then that advice may be just as wrong as the gymbro's. Know why so that when he tries to show you a bad way to do it you can tell him exactly why you don't do it that way, thank him for his input, tho, and carry on, so he doesn't give you shit in the future.
Lincoln Thompson
There is more than one way to squat. Different technique works for different people. I think you will find that, of the strongest people in the world. few of them closely follow the SS style.
Michael King
this actually happened to me. i mean it's kinda awkward when i see the guy and he sees me not following his advice but at the end of the day who gives a fuck? he's a big boy he can take it
Henry Lewis
Yes don't be ruled by fear
for my first 4 months in the gym i deadlifted by standing on my toes, arching my legs as far apart as I could and putting the bar down as gently as possible because someone told me that
>deadlift is named as such because you must pretend you are standing with a gravestone between your legs, and you are putting the weight down to avoid disturbing the zombie in the soil
He was buff so i believed it. wasted 4 months and got injured.
Michael Allen
Who cares if he takes it the wrong way? You didnt pay or solicit advice
Caleb Thompson
If someone comes up to you and show highbar squats just tell them that you want to learn lowbar squats and if they don't know what that is they can fuck off.
Thomas Carter
Sure, but it's called STARTING strength, and it doesn't feel like I'm messing up my back.
Landon Gomez
>Haha nice thanks
Then keep on doin your workout
Isaac Mitchell
Right. I don't how strong this dude actually is, and he is probably a douche for giving unsolicited advice in the gym. Really he is just trying to give you "advanced" techniques that he thinks has worked for him. Your own personal squat style will develop as you find what is right for you. Always do what feels comfortable and strongest. Just follow the book and if he tries to correct you just tell him that is what feels best for you.
Christopher Nelson
This. I do high bar squats, you keep you torso almost vertical while doing them, but you need flexibility. You should try every type of squats and adapt the form you find most comfortable (most biomechanically effective for you)
Josiah Watson
Hey when you're a beginner you don't get to call things "shit advice", you don't know enough about the subject to deem things shit. You're gonna make a lot of mistakes, so don't think you know everything.
Leo Garcia
Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as a know it all. In fact, I welcome advice and actually got really excited when the guy came up to me since I know I know fuck all and want to learn. But his method just seemed to be at complete odds with the literature, and doing it his way didn't feel right, so I based it off that. Once again, here to be humble, here to learn.
Luis Hill
That's pretty funny, man. I'm sure he was playing with ya.
Hudson Green
Ignore them, only retards talk to random strangers in the gym. You're there to work out, not catch verbal aids.
Easton Rivera
Doesn't mean a beginner can't be well-read and make a more or less informed decision of whether or not the advice was shit. Had some fat fuck tell me not to go below 90 degrees when benching when I was starting out. A couple years later I had another dude tell me to keep the point of power between the webbing in my second and third toe while squatting. Unsolicited advice =/= good advice 100% of the time.
Joseph Parker
Good mindset and digits
Jaxon Thomas
Unless you're approached by a certified trainer, you're pretty much guaranteed to be receiving shit advice and snakeoil. It's incels who try to gain social standing with "well my friend told me and he can lift 1 pl8 so he must be smart". You don't need to be experienced to know this is shit advice.
Alexander Evans
Something similar happened to me today.
>doing rocking push down
>gym employee nagging me saying that leaning back does nothing for your triceps
>tell him why he's wrong and keep doing it
>He doesn't give up and spends 10 motherfucking minutes saying the same thing over and over, no letting do it how I want
>he finally goes away
A little later
>doing face pulls
>a woman comes, say she's the gym manager and they won't take responsibility if I injure myself doing "stupid things from the internet"
>Agree with her with the gym not taking responsibility but asks her how could I injure myself doing it
>She doesn't know
Fucking hell, i'm mad, they wasted around 15 minutes and got in the way of my training more than once. I pay to use the fucking gym, not for their coaching.
Kevin Phillips
Just because someone's talking to you doesn't mean you have to respond or even acknowledge their presence. Ignore them and do your thing.
Carter Howard
Think about your submissive mindset for a second. Some guy you don't even know is telling you to do something, and you're too scared to refuse his advice?
If he tries to take it the wrong way just tell him to fuck off.
Robert Cox
Rip's tutorials don't really explain the important variations necessary at the extreme ends of the anatomical spectrum.
Rip reminds me of some oldschool football coaches that had a little knowledge ingrained but not anything resembling biomechanics degrees. For them there was one-right-way and nothing else.
I've linked these videos too many times but they are the best explanations of squat form necessary variation that I've ever seen
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Coming back to your questions... I dont know what your skeleton is like so I don't know if your method or gym-dude's method is better for you (or for him). Upright torso would be indicative of a short femur & in all likelihood that dude is anatomically shaped differently from you and has know idea what he's talking about. But the bottom line is the form that fits you isn't necessarily going to fit other people (but could very well fit people that look like you). Even so, there are anatomical variations such as rotational clearance of the acetabulum that aren't going to be identifiable at a glance.
The best thing you can do is learn & experiment (with lightened loads). Eventually you'll strike upon the ideal form for you & some dude shaped differently telling you should incorporate his radical variation will just be wrong. As you age and gain strength minute variations will make your ideal form a moving target & there are always deliberate variations that can be implemented to vary training.
On another note I've been the form critic guy more often than the opposite. But, to be fair, I go to a mostly-casual gym full of people doing retarded shit like lifting their heels during heavy squats & getting into angled smith cages backwards.