Chin up vs Pull up

Which is superior?

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I just want to do more than one or two

Have you tried doing them assisted? I'm still weak as fuck so it helps me get the volume in

Both truly

I’ve made great gains on both, I have nothing else to say.

You are retarded if you think it matters to any significant degree

If you put 30lbs on your pull up, you will be stronger and look bigger in both your back and arms

If you put 30lbs on your chin up, then you will be stronger and look bigger in both your back and arms.

I’ve done both multiple times

Kys

I personally like pull ups better, because I do them at the beginning of my back workout, and I try to use my biceps as little as possible, but I also do chin ups at the end of the workout after I already did biceps

If I had to pick only one, pull ups. Pull ups should be done with the entire posterior chain engaged and straight, totally strict. With chin ups you should engage your abs and let the biceps do the work. Both are necessary for functional and aesthetic development. I only post this because I would get little aches and shit in my elbows and struggled with maintaining 10+ reps with pull ups before I watched a tutorial on youtube, check out the CalisthenicsMovement channel bros it helped me unfuck my whole understanding of bodyweight work.

weighted chin up
bodyweight pull up

Random kinda dumb question, are you effectively "curling" some % of your bodyweight when doing chin ups?

It barely matters at all. Just do whichever one lets you complete the motion correctly, fully depressed scapula through full rom, without hurting your joints.

The only real thing to consider might be bouldering or climbing, where an overhand grip is what you're going to be using all the time, so using that in your workouts might be beneficial.

If you can truly to 1-2 full pulls/chins, and you want to do more, try greasing the groove for a few weeks. Remove all other pulling from your workout, then for two weeks, every day, do a bunch of singles throughout the day. Maybe every time you pass the bar if you have it hung up in a doorway. Something like that. Other options are to build up volume with pulldowns until you're just about at your bodyweight.

No more than you are using your brachiordialis to curl yourself in a pullup

Someone with balanced development will have nearly identical pull and chin numbers

Only way I ever became able to do pullups is by making myself do them. Even if you can only do one at a time just do many sets.

Lat pulldowns never seemed to translate for me. I just did pullups until I could do sets of 5 then started adding weight. By Doing 3x5 weighted pullups I can now do them with 50 lbs at 195 lb body weight and bodyweight pullups are very easy and I can really focus on working the muscles

Enjoy tendinitis. Lat pulldowns are superior

uncorrect

I get a pain in my right forearm whenever I do more than 3 reps of pullups. It started a few years ago and I tried doing some the other day to see if it healed up over the years. Nope. Any suggestions?

They've done studies on this. The whole "chinups = curlups" is just broscience

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What does it mean that i can do a couple of chin ups but zero pull ups?

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pullups

And how exactly would lat pulldowns prevent tendinitis? You mean you're using less weight? You can use a resistance band to do assisted pull ups if you're too weak to do them without help.

You have weak brachialis and brachioradialis

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How much added weight is a pullup equivalent of 1/2/3/4 for ohp/bench/squat/dead?

Thanks. Would bro curls help me?

Hammer curls and reverse curls? Yeah absolutely.

Do both.

Btw, anyone else stuck at 10~? When I do them multiple times a day, its quiet easy to hit 8-10. But the first set each day feels realy though and I can only do like 4. Makes me think i am not really building muscles... Any advice?

I'll start doing them next session, thanks user.

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imo 30 lbs but most people struggle to do regular body weight pull-ups

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Reverse curls and hammers

I like chin-ups better because of the greater use of biceps which suites me better. Objectively evaluating they´re both pretty fucking great despite the small differences(brachialis vs bicep activation). Everyone without any special goals should switch them up from time to time. As a sidenote i highly suggest trying single arm vertical pull variations for everyone since they are the true GOAT back excersises.

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add weight and lower reps for a bit the same thing happened to me so i started adding weight and it helped alot i can do 15 reps w/o weight and 8 w/ 30 lbs

B-but i can already do that, and none of the other of 1/2/3/4

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Ty senpai

Depends on how much you weigh. A pull up at a bw of 100 lbs =/= a pull up at a bw of 200 lbs, weighted or not.

30 isn't impressive. I can pull up 60 and I'm still dyel

desu senpai Jow Forums and all of fitness culture holds pull/chin-ups to way too low standards(at least for my liking). When was the last time you saw any big/small fitness e-celeb posting actually impressive numbers on weighted pull-ups. For gods sake the current wr on weighted Chin-up total is owned by a finnish 38 year old natty. youtube.com/watch?v=qT76vZ05hLU 0:45 onward.

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i can do 15 chin ups in a row but only 10 pull ups
no weight added
why is this

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Inverted rows should be good too.

Thats pretty surprising desu, to the point where its difficult to believe.
But I guess thats what the studies say.

I used to be you a month ago. I just started doing pull ups at the end of my workout. Even if I could do just 1 pullup, I did it for three sets.
Now I can do 6 pullups a set. Just keep practicing.

I've heard that cross hammer curls are incredible for that muscle.

why not both?

checking all this out.

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Help me out lads, non Anglo here, I just want to confirm a chin up is actually the picture on OP's left side right?
If yes can anybody explain how I'm able to do 3x12 pull ups easily but can barely make two chin ups in a row? It's bugging me as hell

The difference between them for lats is negligible and comes down to grip width. Only retards spout hurrr chinups for biceps pullups for lats.

Because your limiting factor is your elbow flexor,and your biceps are stronger than your brachioradialis.

chin up is right pic, pull up is left

What about neutral grip?

Fugg thanks user, just reverse what I said then, I'm quite good at chin ups but definitely suck at pull up. Any explanation?

As a rock climber pull ups are more important for me, as it's more applicably functional in most cases.
I still do chin ups to balance out my aesthetic.

Currently sitting on 3 sets of 30 with + 30 lbs.
Endurance is more important than raw strength for me, but I'm slowly making gains on 1arm pullup. Goal is 3 sets of 5 on each arm.

Pull-up translates better into more advanced calisthenics feats.

I'm shit at both. What volume of body weight should i be looking at before adding weight? On a good day i can do 3x5. I often fail the final set though.

a common number is when you can 3 sets of 10+ then start adding weights

Both are good, I switch them in my program every couple of months

Fucking impressive m8 if not e-statting. What´s your weight and what grade you climb on(preffably boulder)? I´m also working with OAC but i´m way behind of even dreaming about sets. Can currently do some reps with 24kg/60lbs assistance at 100kg/225 lbs BW.

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>30lbs

Yeah right. I'm a little over halway to 1/2/3/4 as a 5'11" 157lb DYEL and I can already do sets of 5 wih lmao1pl8 added. I'd say lmao2pl8 would be the 1/2/3/4 equivalent.

Thanks m8. Should i use the assistance machine to build up or just struggle through?

Do less reps but more sets. If you can do 3 sets if 5 , then do like 4-5 sets of 3 reps instead. Get more total reps in but stay 2 reps away from failure.

Will try today. Thanks again.

Pull ups. If I wanted to train biceps I would do curls instead

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Curls are much better for biceps, no?

Chin up. On the sole basis that one is more likely to occur than the other in a life or death situation

Pull ups are much better for biceps, no?

Nig how can you climb a wall with the palms of your hands facing towards you?

Do you even know the difference between a pull up and a chin up?

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Pull-ups have significantly lower bicep usage than chin-ups, with chin-ups having slightly higher brachialis usage.

The lat usage is basically the same between the two, so it's mostly preference (and, for the really big guys, mobility - a lot of them are too tight to fully supinate so chin-ups don't work too well).

I do weighted pull ups.
Every time I do chin ups it feels like someone is stabbing me in the scapula with a kitchen knife

entirely depends on how much you weigh but I'd say +45 lbs at 180 bw or 225 lbs total pull

Pullups > Chinups

Pullups have better transfer to chinups then vice versa, that's y so many ppl in this thread can do more chins than pullups. Pronated grip transfers well to supinated and neutral.

Pullups have very little transwer over to anything.It's not espescially better then chinups
And neutral grip has been proven to be better then both.

Seeing a lot of people writing that pull-ups are easier than chin-ups, but I am in the exact opposite boat. I can pump out a dozen pull-ups but struggle to get to 8 chin-ups in a set.

What does this mean about my muscles, Jow Forums?

shit, sorry, meant to say that people say CHIN UPS are easier than pull ups.

Might be technique, might be weak biceps, might be that you're just more used to doing pull-ups.

>Remove all other pulling from your workout
is this the only way to grease the groove?

I'd say one third of your bodyweight for 1rm should be the equivalent. But this should be pretty advanced compared to that rest.

>Which is superior?
Entirely depends on your anatomy and goals

>Chin up
Pretty good to stretch out the lats at the bottom and angle yourself a bit better and get some better activation but for myself the grip is killing my wrists

>Pullup
Works the brachialis and forearms more but still a good lat exercise

>only 30lbs

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chinups give you more bicep activation therefore are easier even if the lat activation stays the same

Chins in my opinion
>easier to add weight
>hits lats just the same as pullups but just recruits more biceps
>easier on my elbows personally (pullups can screw with them a bit, not so bad now that I can comfortably do 10+ of them)

Sometimes I get this burning sensation in my gut after a set of dips, pullups, or chins. Am i not engaging my core enough? It’s weird since it’s not an issue with things like squat or deadlift where I actually lift it heavy.

Nah, chins pullups and dips all engage the core a lot. I find them to be really great for building core strength

I can only do 1-2 chinups and no pullups. Lat pulldown with the same grip is basically the same, right? I've been doing inverse pulldowns for reps twice a week (slowly getting close to my massive bodyweight, ~80% in) and hammer curls once or twice a week. How much should I be able to curlnfor reps to be able to start doing pullups? It can't be bodyweight, r-right?

Try negatives

Alphadestiny has done weighted 1 arm chins

Chinups + pullups

Jason Blaha agrees with this statement.

Chinups have more muscle activation, including the lats + arms. This means you can use more weight meaning more muscle growth and progressive overload. There is also a longer range of motion which adds to the muscle growth and strength.

Chinups also carryover to all athletic activities and pullups. Pullups have not as much carryover than chinups

Chinups > pullups *

Chinups are better than pullups.

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>implying +30lbs is a good amount on weight on pullups and chinups lmao, what buddy
>implying +30lbs is the same difficulty for both chinup and pullup
>reddit spacing

we need to go back

Just do both you weakling

Do both but remember to do close grip pull ups instead of wide grips. Wide grips are gay

This. Are resistance bands a meme or worth it?

For some reason I have extremely difficult time progressing on weighted pull-ups. I do +30kg for 3x5 right now but it doesn't get easier at all. I already deloaded once back to +20kg but once I had worked my way up again, the +30kg still wasn't any easier

My weight hasn't really gone up significantly either, I've went from like 80 to 83kg in the past 3 months

chin ups are for noobs that want to get bigger numbers

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chin ups are perfect for biceps tear

Both will result in a fat face. It is too much overload.

I find pull ups harder so I do them

Pull ups are for weak simps, but I would suggest starting with them for those weak simps. Besides there's no disadvantage in doing either.

Yeah and also squat at 100 pounds bw and 200 pounds isnt equal but 200 pound fatty and 100 pound skelly both aim for 3 pl8s (reminder we're talking about 1/2/3/4) so fuck off fat fuck

Chin up is easier so pull up i say. Im greasen the groove at home. Can do 4 chin up and one or two half pull ups.

Both are good ,with some veering towards chin-ups because if you do them a certain way, it works your biceps and your core more.

Also I hear people say pullups are easier, and though it certainly feels that way, I can still do as many pullups and chin-ups.

I alternate doing 3x5 pullups/chinups every saturday, as well as 3x5 dips and 2x8 barbell curl, skullcrushers
With chinups I'm now able to do them fully and with pullups I do the last rep or two as negatives.

I don't think one is superior over the other. Train both so you can do both. It should be part of your fitness goals to be able to do pullups and chinups imho.

where im from the pull up is the male variation, while the chin up is the female variation

Surprising for you, scrub. I always knew people doing different variations are retarded af. There is a point in doing different grips, but it deffinitely isn't to work out the biceps or lats more.