/fast/ - #342 - Spartan Edition

empty your house from food the coming weeks while doing OMAD, dont even worry to much about what you eat as long as its a 2 hour feeding window or 1 hour if you can take it. make sure there is literally no food in your house.
at this point if you are not confident enough for a long fast buy some eggs and broccoli or cucumbers or whatever veggie you can steam (or boil if you must) or eat raw, even carrots and beets are fine for now but your goal is keto so i would go for greens in the end.

now when you think you can keep going keep going, but if you really are at breaking point eat the eggs boiled and 2kg of veggies if you must, hell even 15 eggs if you must. just try to keep it in a tight eating window.
DO NOT EVER BRING JUNK INTO YOUR HOUSE.
even if you buy it, fucking eat it outside your house and tell yourself what a piece of shit you are for buying junk instead of fruit.
because next point, if you really really feel like breaking hardcore EAT FUCKING FRUIT AND FATTY MEAT. HELL i have eaten 2kg of tangerines and a kg of pears, thats 1400 cals but at least it was not junk. even fucking eating bacon and fried eggs until you feel sick is better then going for mc donalds or icecream

NOW at your weight you should just be able to do a 30 day fast. but you need to get through the first week and get rid of your sugar addiction.
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Ok I'm gonna fast for a month and want to scientifically document the changes in my bf%, RMR and overall shape. I want to do this to satiate my own curiosity and have a case study on how effective a single prolonged fast is for cutting.
I found a place that I can get a Dexa scan, RMR test and 3d imaging of my body. However I lack any resources for where's I can get a chemical test to measure chemicals like HGH, insulin, testosterone, myostatin, etc. I'd prefer if this wouldn't be too expensive as I'm already going to end up dropping around $700 on the tests I know I'll be doing. If there's a place I could get it done in person, I'm in the Dallas area. I haven't found any detailed information on exactly what blood panels offered near me will measure though.
I'm planning to do a simple wet fast for the duration, taking multivitamins even though I don't need to and trying to maintain my current levels of strength for as long as possible (.75/1.5/2/2.5)

In the final report I'll include all raw data as well as a summary. Can /fast/ think of any additional considerations I should make? Also does anyone know of labs that do mail in blood work? Expect the report early to mid February.

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Coffee is completely acceptable. Just switch to decaf

ive done a few stims (amphetamine salts, caffeine, excedrin) and utterly despise them because it sends my anxiety through the roof, and yep i still feel hungry

if you absolutely must stay on the pills, then yeah its gonna be a process of personal trial and error. find something that still tastes good, watch the scale like a hawk, and then power through the hunger unless you start getting dizzy or spasmy or in a stupor. then you need to eat a variety of foods that will give you every vitamin and mineral out there because in pure form, problems may arise

>doesn't even bother to lurk for a while before posting
Never gonna make it, you impatient little fuck

Rip me. I'm going to go buy some ice cream tomorrow. It still sounds appealing at least.

>Started fasting with tea bags added to my water
Results are exavtly the same - not looking back, purists can fuck off.

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Okay another thing. I'm fasting but I don't want rapid muscle breakdown, I read online that taking BCAAs before a workout would help reduce this, but it's one of those 'grey area' things, do you recommend I take some before a workout?

heavily agree

give it a shot, its really hard to mess up 23/1 omad. if you can do that, then you'll lose weight and get to eat tasty food every day

the scale never lies so if it goes down then you are free to continue going as you please

honest opinion is that BCAA is a marketing meme but if you've already purchased it then so be it

muscle loss on a fast is a theoretical 65g per day, so for argument's sake let's say 1lb of muscle per week. this muscle loss comes from all muscles equally' whether it is your intestines, your ass, your quads, your bicep, your skin.

Since you have at least 125lb of lean body mass on you, if not more, you've got nothing to worry about because by the time you lose all the weight, you'll either still have the muscle or you can easily leanbulk what you lost

Source: the body demands about 65g of protein per day to repair vital organ tissues

BCAA's are an absolute scam. protein powder is better, lean meat sources are even better

Oh I use protein powder. Its just I can't have any before a workout.

When doing omad, shoud I eat before or after the gym?

After, definitely.

>Source: the body demands about 65g of protein per day to repair vital organ tissues

Could we get an actual source on that please?

the DRI (dietary reference intake) was developed by the US NIH (Nationl Institute of Health)

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I mean an actual source which backs up the claim that 65g of protein is required to repair organ tissues, not what the dietary recommendation is.

Got a few questions, starting a 2 week fast tomorrow. Can i get my electrolytes from nuun tablets (pic rel). Can i drink bone broth? (Cause isnt it basically water with nutrients?) Should i be avoiding the gym for these 2 weeks or can i still go?

Thanks mate

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I mean, I don't want to sound curt or like a know it all, but a reading of the wikipedia page for "Protein" and "Essential Amino Acids" would probably provide a ton of sources that detail clinical and laboratory observations of what protein is, what it does, and why organisms would die without it (given months or years without it).

As for the very specific number, all I can say is that I am trusting that the NIH uses the 56g protein number (I stated 65g for people who are a bit heavier or want to gain muscle) because 56g would be sufficient to prevent you from dying of organ failure

Perhaps it is higher or lower? But it is a good ballpark. I have barely any biceps or quads but I'm sure I have a good 120lbs of bone, water, skin, visceral organ tissue, and structural muscle. The rest is fat.

Btw 56g of protein is like a quarter pound of chicken, barely anything. Could be eaten in a few bites

Never heard of it but seems fine to me brother. Lemon and lime are good shit bc they alkalize the blood gently compared to baking soda which raped me.

I dont know what electrolytes are in there but if your heart starts pounding, legs spasm, or you faint upon standing, you need more electrolytes and possibly food if it continues to be bad for hours

In my experience, symptoms will come and go every few hours. The body is constantly releasing hormones that are yelling at the brain to make you do something about fasting. It doesn't matter how much vits and mins you are taking in sometimes- your GI tract and kidneys will somehow find a way to fuck up the absorption and secretion of these things into your blood on an hourly basis, and if it's not in your blood, then you get symptoms

Bone broth is good shit but extremely salty and will cause water retention that might mask your weight loss. Be mindful of this and otherwise it's probably fine. Makes me fart a ton though so I avoid

Alright, thanks brother

hi guys, me and my roommate will fast for more than 48hr.. he just learned from me about fasting and he wants to join to gain the benefits too. But he wants to go for more than 72 hrs..
1) we only have H2O and fine salt, will this be enough for us? i mean, for when the headache comes?
2) he worries about muscle loss, if there is a muscle atrophy phase, at what hour it will start?
3) what do I do headache comes? what causes it? is it dangerous to continue fasting? thomas delauer said that this is caused by ketones and he said to workout to burn the ketones off.. but cole said dont workout the first 48 hrs.. i am really confused now..

im on 11th day on keto one meal a day and 3 times a week exercise and i feel like absolute shit. i dont believe its keto flu since i was ok until 2 days ago
i have 2 days of food in my stomach that wont go down despite eating celery, spinach, lettuce and i feel so weird, yesterday i didnt eat for 30 hours and i felt like im getting stabbed in the gut after every move in training and when i went home and made something to eat i couldnt even finish half of it and food had less than 1000 calories. all though one meal a day is going very nice for me and i dont feel hunger at all, i think keto shit is fucking with me.

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I just started OMAD and i eat until i feel like vomiting. Is this good indicator that my body will have enough food for 24h?

No. You're a fucking moron.

1) you need the potassium, fine salt only has sodium. you don't need the salts if you go 3-4 days only and then refeed
2) muscle loss will be minimal if you don't eat anything. fasting is muscle sparing
3) many reasons for headaches: caffeine/sugar withdrawals, keto flu, could be anything. not dangerous. you can workout if you want

yeah keto is not for everyone, could be hard on your digestion if you haven't done it before. if you do OMAD, you can eat a little bit of carbs. this might make your progress a little slower but your digestion will be better. you just need more experience with your body

this is a good indicator of an eating disorder. calculate your TDEE with losertown, create a calorie goal, weigh your food and track your calories every day.

going to break my fast, what food do you usually break it with?

Was thinking some broth soup and some nuts for today

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Hydration may be a factor here.
Also, scale down your training to under 70% at most, you don't have glycolysis occurring to be able to work at very high intensities.

>you need the potassium
where to find it tho? nearby pharmacies dont have it.. found an alternative which is a kind of fertilizer for flowers called "muriate of potash" which chemical formula is KCl, is it edible?
>dont need salts
okay only H2O then
>go 3-4 days
alright
>fasting is muscle sparing
i just read that muscle cannibalizing starts after there are no fats to burn, is this true too?
>workout if you want
i just do wide grip pullup 3 sets 5 reps and 3 sets 8 reps pike pushup (i want big upper body) i hope my routine is doable during fasting.

one more, is it okay if i refeed with 1 fried rice and 4 fried chickens (not battered)? if this is not okay, should i refeed with bananas?

>where to find it tho?
It says it in the OP lad, "no salt" is a replacement for table salt that's made from potassium chloride.

Last day of food tomorrow then back to fasting, will probably be 14 days then eat for 5 (got a couple of events), then another 7 - 14, at which point no more long ass fasts, just keto & OMAD or 2MAD.

Also noticed that after my last lot of fasting, while I didn't eat full keto (more like sore carb, like 1 can of lentils a day and carbs from tomatoes, carrots, pumpkin soup), I ate a lot more fat than I have previously & had zero issues with binging, cravings, etc. In the two weeks of eating since my last lot of fasting (fasted 28 of 33 days) it hasn't even crossed my mind once to go an gorge on sugary shit, not a single fucking craving, fat is satiating as fuck, really looking forward to full keto after this next fast.

I hate the taste of snake juice...

Can I just like, take occasional shots of the powdered substance at different times of the day and drink regular water?

When doing a linear progression program, can it ever be beneficial or at least not detrimental for gains to fast? I'm thinking of eating on lifting days and fasting on rest days. Opinions?

halp

si se puede, it's probably better to constantly administer small doses anyway as in my experience the body doesnt like sorting out a rush of ingredients into the stomach all at once

I HAVEN'T DONE IT FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE BUT FROM VIEWING THE RESULTS OF OTHERS YOU CAN GET RIPPED WITH PROLONGED FASTING, YES. COLE HAS MANAGED TO GO FROM 12% TO A LITTLE OVER 7%.

>I rarely see any ripped guys talkin about fasting its usually the fatties, and people are usually skinny fat after succesful fasts.
PROLONGED FASTING HASN'T REALLY CAUGHT ON TO THE MAINSTREAM PUBLIC YET, AND IF THEY'RE ROIDERS THEY CAN BASICALLY DO ANYTHING THEY WANT. FATTIES END UP SKINNYFAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T GO TO THE GYM.

PROLONGED FASTING IS A TOOL YOU CAN USE TO CUT, BUT IF YOU'RE A TOP/HIGH LEVEL ATHLETE YOU'RE GOING TO STILL NEED TO EAT TO RETAIN THAT MUSCLE. THE THING IS, IF THEY WENT ON A MAINSTREAM CUT THEY'D LOSE *MORE* MUSCLE SIMPLY FROM HOW LONG IT TAKES TO LOSE MUSCLE ON THE MAINSTREAM DIET AT A CALORIC DEFICIT. I WANT TO TEST THIS THEORY BY FINDING A DIRTY BULKER WHO'S WILLING TO DO LIKE A 7 DAY FAST TO SEE IF HIS GAINS REMAIN.

1) FOR 72 HOURS YOU'LL BE FINE BUT *ONLY DRINK WHEN YOU'RE THIRSTY.* THE MORE PLAIN WATER YOU DRINK, THE MORE YOU FLUSH OUT MINERALS AND ELECTROLYTES FROM YOUR BODY.
IF YOU WANT TO HIT AUTOPHAGY, DO 72 HOUR DRY FASTS.

2) MUSCLE ATROPHY IS A DIFFERENT BEAST... IT USUALLY HITS AFTER TWO WEEKS ON *ANY* DIET THAT REQUIRES YOU TO BE ON A CALORIC DEFICIT. ON 72S, YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF STRENGTH OR IT'D TAKE YOU A DAY OR TWO TO REGAIN IT.

3) HEADACHES ARE USUALLY THE CAUSE OF ELECTROLYTE IMBALANCE, WITHDRAWALS, AND DETOXING. THE KETONE HEADACHES GO AWAY ONCE YOU'RE USED TO BEING IN A STATE OF KETOSIS. THE REASON WHY YOU SHOULDN'T WORKOUT THE FIRST 48 HOURS IS BECAUSE IT'S TAXING ON WILLPOWER AND YOU MIGHT END UP BREAKING YOUR FAST.

LOOK MOTHERFUCKER I'M STILL ON AN OMAD ROUTINE GETTING STRONGER AND MAINTAINING WEIGHT YOU FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!!!!
I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET TO

Does the time of the feed window affect the efficiency of an intermittent fast? Ive always heard that you're not supposed to eat at night because it makes your body store the food as fast and yadda yadda yadda, but if you're doing a 16/8 and the feed window is 2-10pm is it less effective than say 9am-5pm or some other window that ends earlier in the night?

I was doing extended fasts but I fucked up with electrolytes and then I start eating like a pig and ruined my sleep schedule. Now I'm doing alternate day fasting consuming high fats-lowcarb and doing some calisthenics. Should I expect some good results about a couple of weeks or should I go for dry fasting?

Stomach was rumbling hardcore at work today. Does just having water help calm my stomach with the pains?

FIRST, STOP EATING LEAFY GREENS (REALLY LOW AMOUNTS ARE FINE), THEY ARE OVERRATED TRASH THAT BLOAT YOU UP, FART ALL THE FUCKING TIME, AND HAVE NEARLY ZERO NUTRITIONAL VALUE.

SECOND, ARE YOU GETTING YOUR ELECTROLYTES IN?

NEXT TIME JUST KEEP A FUCKING SANDWICH IN YOUR POCKET AND FAST AT WORK.

>Can /fast/ think of any additional considerations I should make?
-LOG YOUR BOWEL MOVEMENTS IF YOU HAVE ANY. TEST YOUR PISS FOR KETONES TWICE A DAY IN THE BEGINNING, THEN ONCE PER DAY JUST AS PROOF THAT YOU'RE STILL IN KETOSIS.
-DON'T TAKE THE MULTIVITAMIN. IT'LL GET PEOPLE THINKING THEY NEED ONE TO START A FAST, AND PROMOTING THAT SHIT DEVALUES THE STUDY SLIGHTLY.
-TAKE YOUR PICTURES NAKED

I'M GUESSING YOU'RE ALREADY GOING TO LOG HOW YOU FEEL, HOW MANY FLUIDS, AND HOW MUCH SALTS YOU'LL BE DRINKING.

NO, DECAF WILL STILL GIVE YOU STOMACH ISSUES.

IT'S ABOUT FEEDING YOUR FUCKING CAFFEINE ADDICTION YOU FUCKHEAD

RAW MEAT, BUTTER, AND A PROTEIN SHAKE WITH RAW EGGS AND RAW MILK.

GOOD JOB, WHAT ARE YOUR STATS AND HOW MUCH HAVE YOU LOST? AS FAR AS FAT BEING SATIATING, YES IT IS. YOUR BODY TELLS YOU TO FUCKING STOP BECAUSE IT HAS HAD ENOUGH, BUT IT DOESN'T DO THE SAME FOR CARBS.

THE MAINSTREAM KETO DIET FOOD CHOICES ARE NOT THAT GREAT, BUT STICK WITH IT IF MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD.

AN 8 HOUR EATING WINDOW, NO. A 30 MINUTE EATING WINDOW, A BIT.

TRY TO GO 50:50 PROTEIN:FAT FIRST AND KEEP THE REFEEDS AROUND 1 LB OR LESS. YOU CAN DEFINITELY TRY DRY FASTING BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU GET IN YOUR ELECTROLYTES ON YOUR REFEEDS.

YOU CAN TRY IT. YOU CAN ALSO TRY BAKING SODA, ACV, LEMON JUICE, OR CARBONATED WATER.

How long does SNake Juice last in the fridge?

Probably longer than the bottle that holds it. I mean forever. We have been using the same salt and water for millions of years dipshit

Am study guy
Yeah I'll definitely be keeping a journal. How do I test for ketones? Also I wanted to stay on my supps because of the calcium, magnesium and zinc they give. I considered the calcium especially important considering Wolff's Law dictates that my bones are still going to try and thicken. Snake juice just has magnesium.

I dont know how long baking soda stays in water

Where else is it gonna go?

>How do I test for ketones?
KETO STRIPS. THEY'RE CHEAP.

WHEN YOU'RE ON PROLONGED FASTS, YOUR BODY MOBILIZES MINERALS THAT ARE ALREADY IN YOUR BODY. YOU ALREADY HAVE CALCIUM, MAGNESIUM, AND ZINC FLOATING AROUND OR SITTING SOMEWHERE. THERE'S A REASON WHY PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO DO SUCH LONG FASTS WITHOUT MULTIVITAMINS.

What's the best fuck off diet to lose weight lads? I only have a Panini press with me. I'm thinking of grilling some mean sandwiches on it stuffed with protein and fats.

You know we all go days/weeks on end without eating right? Get your lil paninis out of this thread, AND STOP FUCKING EATING FATTY!

Who else takes in iodine daily? I get 5 drops of the 2% Lugols every day

I'm thinking you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what fasting is

Not even a full day in and I want to eat so bad

just hold it out lad then you can eat whatever you like

I'm with you user. I'm 1 and a quarter day in this time and I'm hungry as fuck. I just miss the joy of eating a meal.

Can I smoke cigarettes on a fast?

Worst fb tier OP pic ever. So damn cheesey

Yeah cigarettes are great for weight loss. Get a tapeworm as well

This. Also start smoking meth.

Honest question: do you like being fat? Do you feel good about where you are in life? If so then it doesn't matter what you eat I guess. I'm fasting because it was either this or offing myself

Wdym by this? I’m doing this as a way to cut quickly, but after I intend to eat pretty clean to lean bulk (if I make it till christmas I’ll probably go ham because that’s my birthday week too)

I'm unironically doing the ec stack and fasting. And cardio. I'm losing like 3-4 pounds a day. I know all caps bro won't approve of this and I might have a heart attack but I wish I had started earlier.

Someone's told me fasting can lose you a pound of fat a day.

How is that possible if your BMR isn't high enough to burn a pound anyway?

Anyone who actually lifts or has a decent physique Who fasts/has here? Would you be able to post pics to show that this does work?

I don't consider myself fat, I'm just trying to get down to like 13% BF by Jan 1st. All I gotta say is Goodluck to you.

And no I don't feel good about where I am in life.

Do you anons genuinely feel nothing different during your fasts? How does one make it mentally sustainable, I want to fast without feeling like shit or numb in my head/limbs.

It can. I'm not a scientist but I did it and it works. Just go for it.
youtube.com/watch?v=M370q-eI6Ac

Before people were civilized, or when we were nomadic/cave people, how often do you think we went without food for long periods of time?

It's not all about just calories in the end friendo.
See

Boys I'm Captain Jack Sparrow, and nothing is too difficult for me! Hard aboard!

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I literally cannot watch this guy without shitting myself laughing.

This dude talks like at any minute his phones gonna go off and interrupt him and he’s gonna freak the fuck out and start punching the shit out of a small dog on stream

Lol I crack up at the beginning of his streams when he stares at the camera silently for like 45 seconds.

OMAD results?
6 ft
90kg to 65kg in 5 months

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Studies show the benefits of higher protein for weight loss and muscle gain

if I'm doing OMAD, should i just eat all my protein at once?

If you're doing OMAD aren't you already eating all your everything at once?

Legit results lad, I'm 6ft and I wanna be 65kg too
waist measurements?

Thanks lad! 34" I believe. I'm trying to bulk right now so I'm slowly moving away from the OMAD life, it was fucking great for the weight loss though

Enjoy regaining those kilos and more anytime soon.

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What're you suggesting lad?

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No, I mean an actual source about 'organ repair' rather than the function of dietary protein.

Saying 'go look at wikipedia' is no better than me saying 'I used to be a competitive bodybuilder' as my only source.

Is this a straight 5 months OMAD like no exception?

He's memeing

Pretty much. I did a one week fast and a 3 day fast in that period

Inspiring, thanks.

How to gain discipline?

Honestly mate giving up the booze was probably the main thing. I used to drink a bottle of jaegermiester every 3 days or so. You can see how the redness in my skin changes after the 5 months, best of luck to you

I can eat 200g of protein in one meal?

aaaaaaaa fuck me lads, why the fuck one day i'm totally motivated but on the other day it's like i'm a totally another person, as if i'm bipolar or some shit like that, I forget why i'm doing this in the first place, forget my goals, and staying occupied doesn't work, i'm like watching a tv show and I keep noticing on the actors jawline or some shit like that and thinking what's his diet like, i want to stop being a fucking pussy but holy shit.

>i'm like watching a tv show and I keep noticing on the actors jawline or some shit like that and thinking what's his diet like

Fuuck I know this feel

amazon.com/Lo-Salt-350g-by-LoSalt/dp/B004TEVING
it's 66% potassium chloride (KCl) and 33% sodium chloride (NaCl), so in 2l of water I'm using 1,5 teaspoon (7.5ml) of this salt, and i don't need to add any extra sodium?
Can someone confirm that I'm not retarded?

>> Btw 56g of protein is like a quarter pound of chicken, barely anything.

Lol no faggot.
1 pound = 500g
quarter pound = 125g
protein / chicken per 100g is only ~20g

so 1 quarter pound of chicken is only like 25g of protein...

you need to eat like 300 grams to to get like 60g, wanna see your mouth after that

fuck you leafy greens are great and everyone that lives a 100 has a diet that is like 1/4th greens at the minimum