We still don't have a valid argument against veganism

This is it right here. Everyone, including meat eaters, know deep down that veganism is the right thing to do. We still eat meat because, you know, we prefer taste to doing the right thing.

>Seventh Day Adventists
There have been, and when studied they were found to live ~10 years longer than non-vegans. Oops.

Outside of the environmental impact animal agriculture has on Earth, primarily factory farms / beef, their aren't any.

Out of curiosity, what are these arguments?

Sure we do, I like a big steak.

From my knowledge, their have been no long term studies on the health effects, adverse or otherwise, of veganism.

Also, the Seventh Day Adventists are vegetarians. Unless I'm missing something.

That's not an argument, and you sound like a child.

There's seventh day adventists that were vegan from the start of their life right till the end?

Go convert and be an Adventist then, faggot. You'll probably have to cut the gallons of jizz and your own farts out of your diet though

It is morally wrong to harm animals.
It is healthier to be vegan.

Everything I've seen points to a vegetarian diet. Not sure what he was on about. Hoping he comes in with a source.

All the science is clear: the vegan diet is substantially healthier than non-vegan diets. Here's a recent meta-analysis you can look over if you want. If you want to be healthy, then going vegan is a good first step.

tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10408398.2016.1138447

>It is morally wrong to harm animals.
On what premise?
>It is healthier to be vegan.
Healthier than what? The typical amerimut diet?

>It is morally wrong to harm animals.
Morals are not an objective measurement.
>It is healthier to be vegan.
You have arguments for this since no one has ever lived on a vegan diet their entire life. Yes it's healthier than eating pizza and icr cream, everything else you have absolutely no long term argument

>On what premise
If you want to argue with your mom that objective morality doesn't exist so it's fine for you to do whatever you want then go do that. I have no interest in debating with someone who is pretending they don't see anything wrong in animal suffering.

"morals are not an objective measurement"
kek, called it.

There's a meta-analysis showing that vegan diet is healthier here:
But of course you don't really think otherwise. You know it's healthier. You just argue basic reality online because of cognitive dissonance.

Accept that they're right, and eat your bacon, and stop being such a little bitch.

>It is healthier to be vegan.
>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-best.html
>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html
>lloydianaspects.co.uk/opinion/veggie.html
>thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegetarians-unhealthy-mentally-disturbed-says-new-research-33067
>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-war-on-coffee-and-common-sense-or.html?zx=8d20dd9d8e82ef7a

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>2016
>"recent"
Yes eating vegan is more healthy than eating walmart hot dogs, what else is new

Nice blogposts.

Here's some facts in response:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17299475
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3048091/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23415826
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24196402
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24524383
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15474873
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20389060
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2589444
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17257165
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20515497
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23726775

>If you want to argue with your mom that objective morality doesn't exist so it's fine for you to do whatever you want then go do that. I have no interest in debating with someone who is pretending they don't see anything wrong in animal suffering.

What are you on about? I asked for a premise, not whatever the fuck that attempt at a straw man was. Not once did I even hint that I was alright with animal suffering.

Fuck your morals, cunt nugget.

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You're lowering the IQ of everyone in this thread. If you're going to pose an argument, do so. If not, shitpost elsewhere, brainlet.

>wants to debate existentialism
fuck off. Causing unnecessary suffering is morally bad, next.

It says in the fucking abstract that being vegan reduces your BMI meaning that they are comparing vegan people of a healthy weight to normies who are largely unhealthy people that eat processed garbage and overeat. Vegans are generally more health conscious, don't eat processed foods, and are more likely to exercise.

You can't just ignore everything that goes into a person's lifestyle and go "THEIR DIETS AND LIFESTYLES ARE EXACTLY THE SAME EXCEPT OMNIVORES EAT MEAT!! THAT MEANS MEAT IS BAD!!!!!!!"

Not only is it not true, it makes you look stupid and weakens the case for all vegans.

>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3529694/#!po=57.9365
>suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/10/latest-study-shows-that-33-gkg-high.html
>breakingmuscle.com/healthy-eating/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health

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>diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>suppversity.blogspot.com/2011/12/devil-in-feeding-trough-pge-response-to.html?m=1
>chriskresser.com/red-meat-cancer-again-will-it-ever-stop/
>mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
>foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us
>saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2qxnro/red_meat_triggers_toxic_immune_reaction_which/cnai2od/
>caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/

>next
Fine, lets dumb this down then, brainlet. Where do you draw the line? Are unfertilized chicken eggs for instance a source of suffering.

All you need to know about the two sides right here.

Who wants to live 10 years longer in this god-forsaken place. Do you enjoy having 31 genders forced upon you? I surely don't.
If the earth swallows me whole now, I wouldn't give a fuck.

Your entire life is a shit post, evangelising your frailty cult reduces the iq of it's converts.

Get fucked you unrelentingly stupid, weak, deluded, Kool aid chugging bitch

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Sometimes yes sometimes no. It's unlikely that the chickens in the egg industry have it good.

The article literally accounts for lifestyle differences. Next.

The only thing these vegan """studies""" deal with is chronic diseases caused by eating processed meats, they never talk about almost any other aspect of health.

Here are some basics on vegetarians:
psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/

Here are their problems as to why they usually quit:

Vegans are deficit in b12:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/784788
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16219987

Vegans have weaker bones due to lower calcium intake and vitamin D3 levels:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/486478
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21092700

Vegans have a worse memory compared to non vegans due to creatine deficiency in vegans:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21118604
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14561278

Vegans have less gains compared to non vegans:
m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/6/1032.full

Vegans are deficient in omega 3s:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16087975
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16188209
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12323090

Vegans are deficit in carnitine:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21753065
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1628441/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11043928

Vegans are deficient in iodine:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12748410
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21613354

Vegans are deficient in iron due to the fact that iron from plant sources is less bioavailable than iron from meat sources:
ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iron-HealthProfessional/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11269606

Vegans are deficient in vitamin A:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19103647
m.jn.nutrition.org/content/137/11/2346.full
sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091118072051.htm
researchnews.osu.edu/archive/betacarotene.htm
ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/6/1545.full

Op completely fucking obliterated, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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No one with half a functioning brain is going to deny the positive effects a primarily plant based diet has on health. It's what I base my diet on. The issue is, none of these studies clarify what what their subject's diets consist of or how their lifestyles differ from one another.

At the end of the day, bio-availability is still questionable, and, from my knowledge, no long term studies have been done to study the effects veganism has across generations.

Again, why not instead just drastically reduce your animal product consumption? You'll have around the same carbon foot print of a vegan brother, if not smaller, and you wont be taking a gamble on your health.

My argument is I am an apex predator. So I eat other animals. Vegans are like livestock.

Couldn't be bothered to look over all of this so I picked out one link to check:
academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/71/6/1545/4729534

Which you give as supporting "vegans are deficient in vitamin A."

In actual fact this study isn't about vegans. It doesn't mention vegans, or vegetarians, anywhere. It says "vegetables" once.

You've literally just linked to a whole slew of irrelevant articles hoping that people will be so stupid to say "ooooh, lots of URLS, you must be right."

Edit: sure enough. Meat eaters are stupid enough to do exactly this:

yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature

>Copes like a cult member
You're a fucking pamphlet away from Scientology

This is scientific data

This is shit

But no matter how much evidence you post, you will never convince a vegan because they are emotionally enslaved to their beliefs

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>gets fact checked
>resorts to random insults
pathetic

%100 this

>Sometimes yes
Cool, so we agree that not all animal consumption leads to suffering.

Again, where do you draw the line?

caught the second one going "ooooh, fancy URLs"

Both comments are shit.

Don't know, don't care. I'm not vegan. You're just shit at debating.

That's not what appeal to nature is. I am saying my existence is higher than yours and I take what I want. Your place is to graze on grass at my feet.

Or, you can take the more level-headed approach, and just drastically reduce the animal products you consume.

Where?

you managed to be more cringe than vegans, congratulations.

> Didn't know she's arguing with more than one user
Better get those thetans checked, Jonestown

>Don't know, don't care. I'm not vegan.
Than why reply to my post, brainlet?
>You're just shit at debating
In what way?

Chickens are basically landfish. They have no capacity to understand or even experience suffering. They are biological programs. Their perceived suffering literally does not exist.

Because you're annoying and retarded, so I smacked your shit down. dwi.

Lol. Post face and body. If not you are confirmed neckbeard fatty

>what is the CNS
retard

>Chickens are basically landfish
Based on what?

>Because you're annoying and retarded, so I smacked your shit down
Ok shitlord.

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>this is what iodine, vitamin A and iron deficiency looks like

Did you actually read any of the abstracts fag? I did
Vegans btfo

except the study you question supports the claim that lots of people will get vitamin A deficiency on a vegan diet: it shows that large parts of the population can not properly convert beta carotene to actual vitamin A. no plant foods contain actual vitamin A but only beta carotene; . meaning that large parts of the population are not able to get enough vitamin A on a vegan diet.

Humans are omnivores, and operate best on a mixed diet. While I agree point is mute at best, a vegan diet lacks certain nutrients, that are either unobtainable or require autistic levels of balancing to achieve. The fact that their is so much conflicting information out their should be a major red flag.

Yes. I responded to one here:
Clicked another at random:
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16188209

Used to support the claim "vegans are deficient in omega 3s"

Again, it doesn't mention vegans once. It doesn't mention vegetarians once.

The entire post is a long list of irrelevant articles. This is the standards of the meatcucks on here. Jesus Christ.

You got called out. You fucked it. Leave.

The science doesn't support you. All of the studies posted here show vegans are healthier than meat eaters.

>Be 'vegan' and cry about being for the environement
>still live in the west and take advantage of all the environmentally unfriendly technologies and industry which exploits animals and the environment anyway.

If they had an ounce of integrity they'd move to India and be a vegan there where it actually means something.

Holy fuck, go back to r*ddit already. You can't use memes properly at all.

I think you'd make an awesome Hubbard fan though

>since no one has ever lived on a vegan diet their entire life.

Hindus and Buddhists could very well fall in that category (not all I know but you wouldn't have to search as hard to find them among that demographic)

>you got called out
not even him you imbecile. how about you answer the point i made about beta carotene conversion

>The science doesn't support you.
Show me a study that takes into account both lifestyle differences, and carefully controls the food intake of omnis, vegans and vegetarians. While your at it, pull up a long term study testing the effects a vegan diet has across generations, positive or otherwise.

You're low IQ is showing buddy.

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>they don't see anything wrong in animal suffering.

But there isn't. It's the circle of life mate - animal kill other animals for sustenance and even for (from our perspective) arbitrary and unknown reasons. We eat animals (meat) to fulfill dietary obligations, cultural, religious etc. More could perhaps be done to reduce that for health and environmental reasons I agree but to totally abstain from meat eating has no such argument in favour of it. Everything in moderation and balance not extremism.

Further, the vegan diet promoted by many in the west (or what reaches prominence) is rather ironically and simply not sustainable nor reachable for so many people on all levels of society.

Animals don't feel pain.

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>Causing unnecessary suffering is morally bad

Raising animals for sustenance and food and killing them does not have to cause 'unnecessary suffering'.

I have no reason to be against other people eating how they please

Ive been tapering off dairy and meat, and I can say that adding more fiber, fruits, veggies, and sweet potatoes is doing great for me.
Veganism is an animal rights movement, where as eating plant based is a true diet. Vegans will typically look weak, skinny, and malnourished because they do not understand the weaknesses of a plant based diet.

nutrition 'science' based on surveys is almost meaningless and you should not take anything said in any study as a fact.

Good to see I'm not the only level-headed individual here.

The Okinawan people would live past their 90s on a diet of pretty much just sweet potatos with meat on the occasional every couple of months.

Because we don't need one.
Eat whatever you want and let others do the same, whoever you are, whatever you eat, if you bring your diet up in a conversation while no one has asked you about it, you're a self-absorbed dick.

>meat on the occasional every couple of months.
Four percent of their diet was meat, dairy or egg. Even ignoring that though, I can just about guarantee their lifestyles where miles healthier than the average modern day human.
Veganism isn't sustainable.

Not an argument. If not anything, what you eat, and where you source it directly affects the environment you live in, and to a larger scale, the Earth.

>Not an argument.

>Because we don't need one.

I don't need to argue with you about shit if I don't want to.

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Wait, don't go you convinced me. Where do we meet, what shoes do I get brother?

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Than why post brainlet.

Almost all vegans quit after a few years. If it was the healthiest lifestyle, why does nearly every vegan go back to eating meat?

I don't wanna.

Now fuck off.

Lets just ignore the vegan animal rights retards for a second, but if the okinawan diet is like 95% plant based with the occasional animal foods refeed, why is it bad to eat as plant based as you can?
I get my protein from lentils, kidney beans, quinoa, and peanut butter- and once every couple of days ill have some sardines that are low in mercury. You can even eat a vegan diet and have some raw meat every once and a while if you want to keep it paleo

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Another meatcuck thinking he can just make up reality as he goes along.

Those people are not true vegans( inb4 no true scotsman)
The people attracted to veganism do so because they care about animals, not because they are looking for a healthy alternative to animal products. Michael Greger's advice is becoming widely popular, and vegan restaurants are popping up every where you go, so plant based eating is actually becoming widely popular.

Notice how people who eat meat and dairy all look bloated and unaesthetic, whereas vegans all have lean faces, and their skin seems to have a healthy glow to it

That's what I am, and have been advocating for. You get the best of both extremes, and little, if not any of the cons from either.

Veganism isn't sustainable.

To remind you you have no authority whatsoever to demand valid arguments from others to justify to you their diet.
You're not that important.
And you're a self-absorbed prick.

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Is that really the hill you want to die on? You couldn't think of a stronger against / for veganism?

>To remind you you have no authority whatsoever to demand valid arguments from others to justify to you their diet.
Cool, I was under the impression that you where low functioning. This affirmed it.

You commented on a threat more or less asking for arguments for and or against veganism. I'm simply holding you to those standards. Sterilize yourself immediately. Remove yourself from the gene pool.