Why do people say boxing causes brain damage but not for MMA?

Spiking tends to be illegal in MMA, and the canvas of an octagon has quite a bit of padding beneath it, especially compared to pavement, where you’d otherwise be right. Additionally most fighters are trained enough to understand how to minimize damage from a fall just through their grappling training alone.

Thus we go to less long term statistics because it's a younger sport.

Regardless i don't do any striking styles any more due to a jaw injury. Haven't had any significant slams at judo as they're banned and breakfalls are literally designed to protect your head from impact

Oh I wasn't talking about spiking on their heads.
I was talking about being slammed on your back.. Your head follows the body and the slam force still transfers to your head. Your brain must still have some banging effect against the skull.

Only if you keep your neck slack, in which case you aren’t trained enough to be fighting in the first place because that’s literally day one shit.

Even if you tense and raise your neck, the downward force still applies to your entire body

Physics is unchanging

What's the difference between tensing your neck being tackled on the body and being slammed on the body except for the direction of the force?

>grappling i.e. slamming on the ground
But grappling doesn't mean slamming on the ground. I wrestled for 4 years and now do BJJ, and I have never been thrown on my head with any force. Unless you wrestle Greco Roman, and even then, it's very rare to be thrown on your head. It's too hard to do against a good opponent. You might land hard on your back or your ass though.
IF you did get slammed onto your head, yes, that would cause more trauma than getting punched, BUT, you are only getting slammed once. Boxing trauma is small trauma that accumulates before you notice, which is much more dangerous. If someone gets dumped on their head, that match is probably over, but a boxing mat will go on for a while while the damage to the brain builds up.

I should add that large slams are a rare occurrence in MMA, and while slam KOs do happen, they’re even rarer than crazy shit like Randleman vs Fedor. Fact of the matter is, that shit is hard to pull off compared to just punching a guy’s face more after he’s been knocked down once.

Boxing matches are 10 or 12 rounds and only punches are allowed. MMA bouts are either 3 or 5 rounds and multiple disciplines come into play. Boxing puts more of a focus on offense as king where something like muay thai puts a heavy emphasis on defense and deflection. Take a muay thai legend like saenchai, over 200 pro fights and has never been ko'd. That's not to say he hasn't been in absolute wars or lost, but he does a great job with the whole "hit and don't get hit" philosophy whereas it seems boxers are forced to stand in front of their opponent much more with reach advantages being huge. Don't know the guys names but it was 2 weekends ago and it was a Hispanic versus a Nigerian with the African being a bit shorter with about ~5 inches less reach.. he looked like someone took a meat tenderizer to his face after the fight was over whereas the Hispanic looked wholly untouched after 12 rounds. Add to that that it is much easier to get knocked out cold with an mma glove or kick over a boxing glove and you can see how boxers get more brain damage, just much more incidence of shots landing

The difference is the mitigation of whiplash. The force doesn’t send the back of your head careening into the floor if you keep the chin tucked.

>Boxing puts more of a focus on offense as king where something like muay thai puts a heavy emphasis on defense and deflection.
nigga you've never taken a boxing class

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The padding on boxing gloves protects the hands, not the head. A football player in full pads hits much harder than a rugby player in a t shirt because the football pads minimize the risk to the guy throwing the hit, so he hits harder. The same way, boxing gloves make it so a fighter can hit harder than a MMA fighter. Also, boxing has a 10 count, which means that a fighter who is obviously concussed can get back into the fight and build up more damage.

that nasty bitch

>padding is for the hands not the head
You're telling me every discipline spars with 16 oz gloves to increase padding to protect their hands and so they could hit harder rather than to protect the head?
Cmon now

>a good kick to the head
Like the other guy said, it's the small concussions building up that does the most damage and is responsible for CTE. Getting knocked out in one kick by Cro Cop would certainly be bad for your brain, but constantly getting hit in the head over the course of a 12 round fight would be worse, especially if you go down with a concussion, but make it up before the 10 count
>constant slams
Slams are rare in any combat sport except for Greco Roman wrestling. They're very rare in MMA. It's very difficult to take a resisting opponent and slam him onto his head, and it'd be much easier to take him down and hammer fist his head in.

It's actually true.
In the case of MMA the padding is to protect the hands and for them to throw harder punches.
In th case of boxing it's so that the particiapants can absolutely WAIL on each other without fearing for their hands.

The fuck makes you think that they aren't getting punched and kicked in the head and slammed on their head?

Boxers know a lot, but they are sometimes misinformed. You can try an experiment yourself. Hit a heavy bag with just handwraps on as hard as you can, and then do the same with gloves on. You will easily feel how much harder you hit with gloves on. Which shot would you rather take to the head?
Bare knuckle boxing is much safer for the brain.

>The fuck makes you think that they aren't getting punched and kicked in the head
I don't think I said that
>and slammed on their head?
Christ dude, enough with the "slams". In the 25 year history of the UFC, there's probably been like 5 incidents on dudes getting slammed on their heads. It's not a common thing.

I can hit much harder with 8oz gloves than my 16oz gloves

whats with white people and chicken "tendies" lmao

Boxing’s padding is worse than no padding. It allows people to take tons more shots to the head. Its not the big KO’s that destroy your brain, its the little pops over and over again that slowly fucks you up. Dont get me wrong, KO’s are bad but just like in football its the small repetitive collisions that fuck you up. Plus in MMA there are more options than just punching someone in the face, and usually less rounds than boxing.

The mans actually right. The hand compared to a head is fragile as fuck. The pads are 100% to protect the hand and give less cuts on peoples faces. Go punch someones skull with your bare hand, then do it with 16oz’s on.

Do you frequently use your 16oz gloves? It may be lack of experience with them.

diminishing returns

I know I'm not a doctor science fag but that sounds like retarded boomer science that will be laughably outdated in less than a decade

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Bas rutten is currently involved in a bare knuckle boxing promotion in the UK. He said there's a few mma guys enter and get really surprised when they smash their hand on a dude's forehead.

Yes I train all the time with my 16oz gloves, I'm an amateur fighter.

I definitely hit harder during amateur fights than sparring with 12 oz gloves.

I also have 8oz gloves for when I turn pro (prob never will happen) and I use them when I'm tired as fuck but yes I can punch much harder with them

There's only a certain degree of hand protection that can happen, saying more padding increases brain injury indefinitely is silly. That's like saying Headgear also increases brain injury while protecting the hands.

Imagine saying hitting someone with imaginary 30oz gloves would allow you to hit harder or something.

At some point, speed comes into play. If you can't move your hands fast enough, obviously the force will be less. However, even 8oz gloves still have significantly more protection than MMA gloves. Padding doesn't increase power indefinitely. I was referring to the increase in size between MMA gloves and boxing gloves. With 8oz gloves, your speed isn't hindered, but there's enough padding to throw a lot of force behind it. It's just about the perfect compromise between the two.

the thing is, MMA fights often end up just being sweaty gay sex (aka bjj) after 30 seconds. Also, a single knockout you get from an unpadded fist is easier on the brain than getting pounded by 100 punches that connect but don't knock you out.

M8, I’ve done boxing and judo. I’ve been hit a few times upside the head, kinda got dizzy and heard ringing. Never got anything close to that from judo. is right, you normally don’t get a direct head throw in, not unless you’re fighting a moron

Nah judo has like almost zero cte and brain damage compared to boxing and it is 100% that type of shit. Ukemi and breakfall practice dissipate the force and momentum along the muscles and bones of the back, shoulders, neck and skull, in that order if done correctly

Or a Muay Thai one. Elbows are mean

>Boxing matches are 10 or 12 rounds and only punches are allowed. MMA bouts are either 3 or 5 rounds and multiple disciplines come into play. Boxing puts more of a focus on offense as king where something like muay thai puts a heavy emphasis on defense and deflection. Take a muay thai legend like saenchai, over 200 pro fights and has never been ko'd. That's not to say he hasn't been in absolute wars or lost, but he does a great job with the whole "hit and don't get hit" philosophy whereas it seems boxers are forced to stand in front of their opponent much more with reach advantages being huge. Don't know the guys names but it was 2 weekends ago and it was a Hispanic versus a Nigerian with the African being a bit shorter with about ~5 inches less reach.. he looked like someone took a meat tenderizer to his face after the fight was over whereas the Hispanic looked wholly untouched after 12 rounds. Add to that that it is much easier to get knocked out cold with an mma glove or kick over a boxing glove and you can see how boxers get more brain damage, just much more incidence of shots landing

Saenchai has been ko'd user

Dude white people lmao

The gloves are lighter, when you land a good punch you go down. Boxing gloves let them get hit in the head hundreds of times before they go down unless you get hit by Mike Tyson.

>someone explains that despite having more moves MMA has less emphasis on headshots
>some retards double down kicks and grappling are worse, therefore MMA causes more damage
This is the sort of illiterate we have to deal on the regular.

Just checking but are you implying Muay Thai heavily focus on defense and deflection because you think Saenchai is a defensive and deflective fighter?

In theory mma is safer because there are more ways to lose than "get punched in the head" and fights are stopped at knockout instead of giving you a ten count to recover.
Gloves exist to protect the other guy's face from cuts. Bare knuckle shots open up cuts much more easily. Fewer cuts = longer more exciting fights = more brain damage.
Headgear provides a bit of padding which increases your ability to take shots, which then increases the number of shots you take, thus worsening damage.
Brain damage is basically inevitable over a long enough time frame. Every single hit you take could tip you over the edge, you really don't know where your line is. Floyd is as smart as he's ever been, which is partly because he fought the second half of his career with a focus on not getting hit, and partly because he's naturally resilient. Bernard Hopkins is just as evasive a fighter but slurs pretty heavily.
In the future we hope they will scan your brain immediately after every fight and any early signs of serious damage will be treated... somehow. But we are really in the dark age when it comes to brain damage.

Force = mass x acceleration.
Assuming that you're not so chemopatient-weak that 16oz meaningfully slows down your punch, no you cannot hit harder with 8oz on.

Boxing focuses 99% on headshots because its an extremely simplistic sport.

what kind of retarded question is that OP?

Boxing is 100% hitting the person in the head. Whereas MMA only uses headshots opportunistically and most fights finish without knockouts.

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Wow I didn’t know this and I’ve been training box for some time
I feel like stopping, I don’t wanna turn into a brainlet

Really? Can you punch a brick wall 30 times as hard as you can without breaking something in an 8oz MMA glove?

Physicslets when will they learn

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Issue is, MMA you don't get hit as much, and if you're really getting beaned on, you ko/they stop the fight. The damage is mainly external, cuts and bruises.

Boxing you spend 12 rounds getting beaned in the head and your brain is constantly bouncing back and forth taking damage. Because of the gloves, the damage is mainly internal.

All of these sports are fucked.

Even bodyshots cause enough hydrostatic shock to essentially cause your blood to function as a hammer hitting the bottom of your brain.

I played rugby for years before finding out and I'm still worried after quitting.

There is also the boxing practice where people are allowed to recover . In MMA if you get dazed the other party ends the fight

Sorry I'm a brainlet and I don't even understand the illustration