I kind of get the feeling that humans aren't supposed to gain muscle via lifting heavy things. I mean...

I kind of get the feeling that humans aren't supposed to gain muscle via lifting heavy things. I mean, I am not sure it even makes sense. The muscles all have to be in balance. How on earth could you just accidentally balance all the muscles? Like one day you perform some kind of rowing motion with one arm, your strongest arm. How could you just accidentally row the same amount with the other arm? How could you accidentally push stuff and then pull just enough to make sure your shoulders aren't rounding?

It seems like we are just designed to run and swim and so on. These are natural movements that work the entire body. I would imagine having adequate sunlight and proper diet would keep our testosterone high and naturally keep a significant amount of muscle. I know a girl who was on TRT and she just did some half-assed bodyweight exercises and looked more jacked then the guys at the gym. It is obvious that just having elevated testosterone will produce muscle without any significant weights being lifted.

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I get the feeling you should fuck off with your enduro hunting nonsense and go live in the bush

This is the most retarded post I’ve ever read. We are all dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

>some tribal people aren’t naturally extremely muscular by our standards
>therefore it must be natural to not do any exercises that build muscle

OP, just get your ass to the gym and lift weights.

These are not arguments.

I didn't say they weren't muscular. They are muscular. They aren't muscular by bodybuilding standards, but they are muscular in that women find that amount of muscle attractive.

>>therefore it must be natural to not do any exercises that build muscle
Sprinting and swimming build muscle when testosterone is sufficient. That was actually what I was saying.

You haven't explained how humans naturally balanced all their muscles if their primary means of muscular gain was through lifting heavy things. Sprinting or walking, for example, naturally works the posterior and anterior oblique sling. For your arms driving forward, they are also driving backwards. It all balances itself out.

>The muscles all have to be in balance.
For what exactly? The body is built to adapt to tasks its often exposed and in the real world most of the tasks do not build muscle in balance just look blacksmiths, farmers, longbowman, mongol horseriders. They are imblananced to a certain degree the body is built to adapt and compensate

Big muscles are a need, for people who need them. It's a fact that more you use your muscles, the more they grow. As soon as you stop using them, they shrink. With gym, you could say we artificially force the need to build muscle since nowhere in the wild or manual labour job do you need that amount of muscle or strength.

>For what exactly?
I would like to see what your body looks like if you don't even understand the concept of making sure your muscles are balanced.

>blacksmiths, farmers, longbowman, mongol horseriders
None of this has to do with hunter gatherers.

Any non-retard level people on this board these days?

Yes...... but I want a hunter gatherer body. I don't want a matt ogus or some other bodybuilding looking retarded faggot body.

I’ve never heard of anyone else talking about muscular balance. Even then, why does it fucking matter? Sure you can build a perfectly fine calisthenics physique by swimming and running, if that is your goal. I would argue that the majority of women find more muscle than this attractive, no one gets “jacked” by swimming and running, mostly just lean. I don’t understand your end game OP, why the fuck don’t you just lift weights?

Yeah but we became smart, figured out how our bodies worked and created tools that would help and improve our lives. But yea if you don't like weights and medicine go be illiterate on an island and don't try to evolve.
Just because something is "natural" doesn't mean it's optimal.

Ask me how I know I can break you in half. Also women like big muscles (if its natty big). I get women touching my arms and abs all the time when we are making out and its the number one reason I get to third base. They also like it when they can see you are the strongest guy in the room. Gives you confidence. Fuck off

>None of this has to do with hunter gatherers.
yeah but with your whole argument
>I kind of get the feeling that humans aren't supposed to gain muscle via lifting heavy things.
Is bullshit because the human body is built to adapt to different environments it does not matter if its throwing a spear or deadlifting.

Well that is the thing. The reason I made this post was because I was at subway today and this family walked in that had just been to the pool. The kid looked in really good shape and obviously doesn't go to the gym because he is too young and also he doesn't have the characteristic gym body.

On the other hand, most of the people at the gym look deformed quite frankly. Rounded shoulders, legs that get in each others way, chests that are so big they look like boobs, etc.

Ahh no. We don't really have much of an idea how our bodies work actually. Science is like going 10000 steps back and starting with "hey, this here is a muscle, and it contracts", whereas real life is extremely complex with an interaction between all the muscles in the body that nobody fully understands.

Science is like reverse engineering.

If you prefer to be fat or skinny is up to you. There is nothing faggoty in having big muscles. Pic related is what human body is capable of. How you go about getting that type of body is up to you. As I said, if you need muscle, human body will adapt to that need. Your muscles won't be unbalanced to the point where you can actually notice it since the difference between your strong hand and weaker hand is not that great.

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OK how? I go to the gym and am athletic. I could kill you because you sound like a gym bro faggot that doesn't train like an athlete like athlean x.

I have never seen anyone at the gym or youtube fitness or whatever else with muscle like that. Matt Ogus type of muscle looks dumb. This guy looks better.

Looking in “good shape” and being muscular are two different things. What you find appealing in little boys ain’t necessarily what society as a whole considers “attractive” for men.

Now, that’s not to say you can’t get women with that body. I’m a skinny fat Manlet and still get women occasionally, but the whole point of lifting is actually to get a well balanced and aesthetic physique. Most people use Greek statues and famous bodybuilders as inspiration, not some hunter gatherer tribes. Believe it or not, women prefer the muscular Greek statue type, not the lean type, and why the fuck wouldn’t you challenge your body to adapt and become as strong as possible? We live in the 21st century, not in the stone ages, and we can push our bodies to the limit for fun, so why not?

The point is, gym is artificial environment where you lift heavy objects so you can stimulate muscle growth. In outside world, you don't have that type of equipment so you lift heavy objects and due to that, your muscles grow. Why do we lift in the gym? Because through history, people feared the big muscular guy and those guys usually had good genetics. Nowadays you can force muscle growth because we figured out the best ways to do so.

>they can see you are the strongest guy in the room
Humans use weapons and speed and so on, so I am pretty sure girls aren't looking for "the biggest guy". They go for talls guys. Most of the hot girls are with tall guys who don't have that much muscle. You need enough muscle to run fast, throw weapons, and so on. If it was about the biggest muscles, the girls would go fuck apes.

>What you find appealing in little boys ain’t necessarily what society as a whole considers “attractive” for men.
It is pretty easy to observe the hottest women and who they are with. It usually isn't some jacked guy. They are usually tall and lanky. The otter mode type of person as well.

Strength can exist indepently of height. Being jacked goes a long way, especially if you are short. The reason women mainly go for men taller than them is because being a taller man literally means you are stronger/more intimidating than shorter men. If you are a shorter man, have a decent face, and lift, you can get women just the same.

I’ve seen women with all sorts of men OP. Tall, fat, short, lanky. It all depends where you are and what you observe.

Plenty of people look like this although artist just presented the perfect type of body at that time. How you look depends on genetics. Modern bodybuilding is generally unhealthy. Naturally, if you want to be strong, you need fat. If you want endurance, it's a different story. Strongmen are the example of what a strong person would usually look like (ones without steroids). Tall, genetically strong and naturally born with more muscle.

we're not designed to lift heavy. Humans believe it or not are built for pure endurance - we're unironically the best long distance runners in the animal kingdom and used to hunt prey through consistently chasing animals until they died from exhaustion

This. Most people throughout history did not have the luxury of a balanced physique. Bowmen especially, some bows have a pull force of 100lbs or more. Not like you're going to die from rounded shoulders or something.

I am OP. I don't believe that shit actually. I can't run for shit and you don't need to run to follow an animal, you can just walk. Also his theory is stupid because he said you can't kill an animal with rocks. That is because he is a weakling science faggot.

No we are not. The only reason that we can outrun anything is because we can carry water and food with us. Without that, humans are relatively shit at endurance. A random untrained dog can easily win a human marathon.

so it’s all about women?

>I'm bad at running therefore ancient peoples who needed to be good at long distance running to avoid starvation were bad at running too

Fake and gay.

>We're designed
>Built

Dumb. We're not built to do anything. We may have evolved enough to be able to run long distances, but to imagine that necessarily means running is good, running doesn't injure us, running doesn't cause problems, lifting is bad is all not conclusions you can draw

yeah no shit - obviously if you've lived in a modern society you're body isn't used to long distance running like our ancient ancestors were.

so you were lusting for an underage twink and came and made this thread? jesus christ

>girl
>trt
That's a tranny bro

>I don’t want to get too muscular teehee
Faggot you couldn’t get that build if you tried, so stop worrying about that

You do know that that’s statue isnt possible right? Like not natty or roid use, it’s literally impossible, the artist added extra muscles in the lower abdomen that don’t actually exist on human beings. Same thing with the statue of David, the marble one.

You literally just described the concept of compound lifts. You should only be doing compound lifts in the gym.
Automatically balanced muscles and body

>this retarded, circular appeal to nature
>argued on the internet
>unironically argues with what girls find attractive
Come back when you're 18

tfw this island has blatantly murdered at least one person, and attacked numerous others without repercussion from authorities

No, but that is what you are thinking about because you are a faggot. I noticed he was athletic. That is different to sexual attraction you faggot.

>On the other hand, most of the people at the gym look deformed quite frankly. Rounded shoulders, legs that get in each others way, chests that are so big they look like boobs, etc.
Steroids. Lifting natty will never ever make you look deformed.

No I didn't. Sprinting and swimming are not simple compound lifts like deadlifts. Powerlifters who often just deadlift and squat for lower body have terrible posture. When you deadlift, for example, you are extending your back, but you are never flexing your back. With walking, for example, you are both flexing your hips, and extending them in the other part of the movement. That is why, lets say you go do hill sprints, even though it is a big hip flexor exercise when you lift your knee up, it is also a big glute and hamstring exercise with the other leg when you propel forward with it.

Let me guess, you are a progressive, vegan, and love science!

A powerlifter would mog any of these hunters because they are too weak to fight back

Humans don't fight with hands. Hey, any non-retards left in this place?

Let me guess: you worship mud hutters that dont even have streets to shit in, putting them lower than actual Indians because you fell for the Hollyjew noble savage meme

Obviously. But a powerlifter would be a better, stronger, more athletic all round hunter than a hunter in your pic.

Probably more than KFC munching modern humans though.

I see plenty of nattys/dyels with what he described because of "its all about the shoulders and pecs brah!" Mentality.

If they were able to accomplish more they would be in similar situations to us. Every society that adopts modernization runs the risk of becoming lazy and fat. That is not grounds to condemn the modernization as much as it is condemning human nature to conserve energy to a fault. If you think its noble to be a 5'3 islander that has to bust ass every day to avoid deadly injury to maybe get a bite of boar kidney, by all means. Doesn't negate the fallacious bullshit of your "argument"

>powerlifters
>athletic

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i thjink pasta, but point out the unreal muscles

This is just the naturalistic fallacy. It's natural for us to be filled with parasites, but that doesn't make it good. The biggest bodybuilders don't do calisthenics, they lift heavy weights.

>that has to bust ass every day to avoid deadly injury to maybe get a bite of boar kidney
This is made up garbage from your brainwashed mind. Hunter gatherers work less than modern day humans by a very large degree and do enjoyable work because that is what we are designed to do.

What the fuck is the naturalistic fallacy? That doing the things we are genetically built for is better than lifting barbells at the gym? I wish all you retards who just learnt what "naturalistic fallacy" is would fuck off. Saying "arsenic is good for you because it is from nature" is naturalistic fallacy. Saying we should be working out in a way that is how we always worked out is just intelligent thinking. You can't workout in a "better" way, because that makes no sense.

>Hunter gatherers work less than modern day humans by a very large degree
Source: my ass

>and do enjoyable work because that is what we are designed to do
>if i double down on my fallacy it will start making me right
Humans invented the concept of design in the first place. To say we were "designed" to do anything than what we are capable of now is worship of some separate and false livelihood. If you want to stick to such a specific "design" feel free to die from an infection following a simple broken bone or die from dysentery at age 15

>imploying the appeal to nature fallacy

If we are not meant to gain muscle by lifting weights we wouldn't be gaining muscle by lifting weights. Biology won't tell you how to live your life, stop imploying science into your ideology, it is the study of the way things work, not why things work, you aren't smarter for employing it, I get you just want to keep up an intellectual appearance with normies, but user, there aren't any normies here. Now go and rethink your views of the world. Might also try lifting something while you are at it, preferably home, noone likes little kids running around the gym.

>Saying we should be working out in a way that is how we always worked out is just intelligent thinking.
What they're doing isnt working out, its work. The difference is working out should be to improve the ability to do work and reduce injuries while working. Working is making sure you're eating that night, so more sacrifices/injuries are to be expected to that end. If your risk of injury while working out is the same as work (if you're doing hard physical work with significant risk of injury like chasing down prey) then you're working out wrong

>Saying we should be working out in a way that is how we always worked out is just intelligent thinking.
So your assumption is that because we evolved muscle one way it must be superior? That's not necessarily true.

Imagine you want an exercise to build shoulder muscle. A "natural" movement would be to put a log over your head, but the "unnatural" movement of putting a barbell over your head provides a nearly identical stimulus with certain advantages (you can increase the weight to make it incrementally harder, you're limited by your shoulders instead of your grip, etc).

>just intelligent thinking.

That's what people who are appealing to fallacies always claim. "It makes sense if you think about it logically"== RUN AWAY from the dumb fuck

In reality we can't prove these things "logically" and instead need to seek rigorous empirical evidence gathered under methodologically rigorous circumstances. Which we have, and everything suggests you're full of horseshit.

Referring to Farnese Hercules as "this guy". Go away you filthy peasant

Sorry, but weak, skinny niggerlets that live on an island are not humans.
Try again.

>lifting up objects is unnatural
The only difference between barbells and rocks is that barbells are easier to hold

They're actually asian. Although, asians are barely better than arabs/indians.

I thought they were essentially pajeets since the island is not too far from the peninsula

I think they're related to indonesians, and those ginger riceniggers living in africa.

Oh cool, we’ll go eat grass. Biology ain’t stopping this go getter!

Ahh the dumb science religion guy. Let’s not trust the way we did things for millions of years, let’s go by some guy trying to reverse engineer the human body. Go do your hip thrusts.

As a primary way to build muscle. You forgot that part.

The shit right above the dick. Your abs stop at the top of the hips or a bit below,The space below there is more just storage for bladder and intestines. Think of it like this, what muscle could possibly be worked inside the hip, there is no muscle to pull or push there.
And no glutes are behind the hip, not inside it

Also the forearm is imbalanced, the hands are too large.

Yea, I thought the same but forgot to write it. He went a little overboard with the abs.

>These are not arguments.
What the fuck is there even to argue you god damned lunatic?

cringe

You are not smart enough to provide an argument as to how it is possible to accidentally balance the muscles in nature if we are supposed to gain them from lifting heavy objects. As I doubt half the people here even know the concepts of antagonistic muscles, oblique slinges, and so on, I doubt they can even understand the argument at a fundamental level.

Also, as most people here are not extreme levels of intelligence, they must rely on having read the argument beforehand and just repeating the counter argument someone else made. As this argument hadn’t been made before now, there is little hope.

I like that you question it but I would suggest that lifting is natural. Lifting in a gym with progressive overload on a balanced barbell is clearly a good way of doing it because it allows you to progress and control the weight. Naturally, you would be lifting heavy items such as branches, sacks of leaves or whatever you need to eat. This would produce very strong legs and a very strong posterior chain. Chopping and cutting things also involves your chest, shoulders and arms. And drawing a bow back also requires a great deal of strength and control.

Look at some other tribes and you'll see the males in their prime have muscular bodies even by Jow Forums standards.

Obviously, they have not reached peak natty status but that's just limited by their diet.

Regarding your pic of the sentinelese, every tribe is different. This tribe is short and nimble becuase they live in very dense jungle. The human body adapts to environment so to say it isnt natural just because this tribe isnt the most muscular is bs.

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Also, see some tribes from Papua New Guinea

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Above all humans are adaptable. If humans weren't supposed to gain muscle via heavy lifting they wouldn't.

yeah and humans aren't designed to shitpost on scottish cabertossing forums all day either but look where you are now

Ur an idiot , Ur looking a a few groups of tribal Ppl. What about the Maoris? And other Pacific islanders. The cunts r massive, Naturally.

I might be a gym bro, but I still have a 4.5pl8 deadlift and am lean. At the end I dont really care cause I like working out and drinking on a daily basis. Plus the girls that come with that.

>I was checking out a young boy at Subway that I thought was hot and immediately fantasized that he must be a swimmer
>my mentally ill brain made me think hey I wanna look like that little twink
>PeterStrzok.webm

>I kind of get the feeling that humans aren't supposed to stretch their asshole by taking miles of cock every day like OP. I mean, I am not sure it even makes sense. The muscles all have to be in balance, and stretching it out would ruin it. How on earth could you just accidentally have so much gay anal sex as a faggot bottom? Like one day you perform some kind of reciprocating motion with your hips, your gay hips. How could you just accidentally fuck all that cock? How could you accidentally push stuff into your asshole and then pull it out just fast enough to make you moan and let your poop fall out?

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If you're talking about attractiveness, even skellies are attractive granted their frame is masculine enough, but in terms of getting stronger life just is. Even if a construction worker doesn't work out his job will become easier over time

>I kind of get the feeling that humans aren't supposed to gain muscle via lifting heavy things.
Get the fuck out of here then. And do everyone a favor and kill yourself for being weak in both mind and body

you just have to train those areas more asnd better

You’re a retard who also can’t actually read

no, you
the muscles don't go down all the way to the dick as you wrote