Anyone find it ironic that the biggest show off muscles for men (Pecs & Biceps) are detrimental to fighting sports...

Strength is never detrimental
> biceps
Try grappling instead of talking about boxing with your boomer friends

Heard you wus talking shith.

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In boxing there's no limit. In MMA the limit is 265 lbs, but that doesn't matter in the slightest because every good MMA HW ever has been around 220-240 lbs.

IRON MIKE BABY
THIS MAN KNOWS WHATS GOOD

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Loved to see great khali in mma

T H E G R E A T E S T

that's post prison tyson who kept losing

here's prime tyson with no pecs

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mirin neck

>with no pecs
Post a pic of yourself

>no pecs
>posts photo of a guy with visible developed pectorals

But boxing isn't real fighting. Its just one aspect.

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>no pecs
>chest mogs 90% of this board

>But boxing isn't real fighting. Its just one aspect.
>Moving the goalposts
Eat my ass.

>is a nigger
>literal elite tier athlete

no shit retard

>implying any of these are bodybuilder level

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Ubereem
>Gets permanently KO’d by steam

>implying you even need the “other parts” at that level
Tyson would put you in the ground even now

>lets fight, b-but no kicking cause that shits gay.
Boxers are like fish out of water when they aren't protected by rules, in a real fight against someone who is trained properly to use their whole body they get cut down by kicks to the thigh and gut. Even if they managed to get in close they would get their top heavy ass flipped upside down and choked like a bitch. Boxing is literally a joke.

I used to think like you when i was 17 taking muay thai

Oh how I was dumb like you..

>In MMA the limit is 265 lbs
Eric Esch fights at 425lbs

>don't need the strongest part of your body at that level
Maybe not when fighting other boxers or average untrained people, but if your fighting someone whos trained their whole body to fight with almost no rules, you need to be versatile not specialised.
>Tyson would put you in the ground even now
Incredibly likely, but a kick to the liver will drop any man and my leg is longer than his arm.

>no pecs
Delusional

Literally the only difference is the insertions. Some people have aesthetic muscle insertions and some people don't. It doesn't effect fighting ability. The sizes of the chests are roughly the same.

Yeah a good liver kick drops a lot of people, but would you be able to connect? Professional boxers couldn't connect punches on this guy, how many people would be able to land a kick?
youtube.com/watch?v=GLdBS9HYdD4

And yet you offer no counter point. What is wrong with my logic? A boxer would be in the position of having no choice but to advance, Putting him at a massive disadvantage. trading kicks would result in a loss against someone who is trained to kick just like boxing a boxer would result in a loss for anyone who isn't a boxer. A smart fighter would just dance around the boxer and throw kicks or go in for a take down.

Loma ends the Tank Davis meme

i have no reason to pull the ignorant out of deep waters

you gotta experience it yourself or live in ignorance forever

I think we all know what the optimal body type for mma looks like

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Fedor would rek people even harder if he cut and dropped a weightclass

well I would most likely miss then have my face caved inward, but just because one of the greatest boxers of all time can beat me up doesn't make boxing good. You put me up against an average boxer and he wont even touch me, because I don't have to box in a real fight. That's my point.

Biceps are important though, at least for grappling. Pulling people into guards, chokes, and throws all involve a bit of bicep work

I have experienced boxers when they step outside the ring. Not on the street but in stand up to ground sparring practice and they cant do anything. They cant close the distance because I just kick the shit out of them and if they do get close I just take them down to the ground because their base is so weak as a result of not having to defend against anything like that. Like I said earlier, boxing is only one aspect of fighting, sure you may be able to beat up other boxers and untrained fighters, that's about it though.

But even average boxers are very knowledgeable about head movement and slipping punches, which translates pretty well to avoiding many types of strikes. I don't know what martial art you do, but chances are it doesn't put as much focus as boxing does on evading strikes.

why, when you could pull it off pretty much at your walking around weight. Weight cuts always really suck, and they really do take away from your athleticism. Also, we love him because he is a smaller guy with dad bod who used to own the division.

Uppercuts, hooks, grapplinng, any lifting movement, retracting your arm after a punch, etc.

dat fucking neck

i can beat all of you on this /thread included chestlet tyson

prove me wrong

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your pecs are too big to be good at fighting

Absolutely and I did say boxing is one aspect of fighting, and when a boxer learns how to kick and grapple and preform take downs he become vastly better but at that point he really isn't a boxer anymore. My teacher pulls techniques from all forms of fighting, he teaches us what he thinks is the best. So I don't train in any particular martial art.

Evandro fucking Holyfield you fucking mong

>when a boxer learns how to kick and grapple and preform take downs he become vastly better but at that point he really isn't a boxer anymore.
you're retarded as shit lmao
many of us at my MMA gym consider ourselves as boxers and most of us started with another martial art such as wrestling, judo, muay thai, and bjj

And that’s the funny part. Most of you “mma” fighters have no clue how to box

we're not "mma fighters" we're boxers who compete in amateur boxing
the mma gym is famous and has both coaches for usa boxing and amateur mma and kickboxing/muaythai and bjj tournaments

you inexperienced little fish

>many of us at my MMA gym consider ourselves as boxers
Great, but I don't consider you a boxer unless you are only boxing, once you start to pull other techniques from other fighting forms to advance you ability to fight outside of a boxing ring you are then a mixed martial artist.

youtu.be/1XPVk5TiOjA
The guy was coocoo for neck muscles.

where is a celar explanation for this?, I don't want to die while trying

> Comparing professional athletes physic with juice monkeys

Inb4 “their all juicing anyways”

Yeah because all heavy-weight had huge pecs

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nobody gives a shit what your opinion is
we box in boxing with skills from other martial arts inside of us

Oh yeah, I wouldn't do what Iron Mike does/did.
Here's a much better and safer excersises.
youtu.be/wjiZaCJ6tCA

Check out this autist

Imagine him in a conversation saying this to real people, saying how he doesn't consider Lomachenko to be a boxer cause he's done other martial arts.
LMFAO AUTISM

And people give a shit about what your opinion is?
>we box in boxing with skills from other martial arts inside of us
Ya I know, you are an mixed martial artist who boxes. How are you not?
I would say I consider anyone who uses techniques from more than one form of fighting a mixed martial artist. Typing autism in caps does nothing to counter my point.

how much do I need to run everyday to have the cardio of a boxer?

>being this autist
A U T I S M
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we box with boxing rules, that's why we're boxers regardless of knowing how to deal with kickboxers or grapplers.

> I consider anyone who uses techniques from more than one form of fighting a mixed martial artist.
you know having to categorizing like that is a symptom of autism right?

5 to 10 miles

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I usually run 10 km, when I started doing kick boxing in the first classes I almost died just by throwing punches to the air

that's because you didn't develop mitochondria saturation in those muscle groups with just running with your legs

you gotta do your strikes along with running to be good at being able to strike for duration

because your breathing technique is/was fucking garbage.

>we box with boxing rules, that's why we're boxers regardless of knowing how to deal with kickboxers or grapplers.
Ya but you still know techniques outside of boxing so you are an mma fighter who is boxing.
>you know having to categorizing like that is a symptom of autism right?
Calling me an autist is the only counter you have.

MMA is a category of combat sports
Boxing is a category of combat sports

Martial arts is a whole and a philosophy.

Take for example, I know how to head stomp, headbutt, and nut strike. No sanction of MMA allows that. What does that make me?

I know what it makes you, an autist lol

Take a look at this

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>Take for example, I know how to head stomp, headbutt, and nut strike. No sanction of MMA allows that. What does that make me?
That makes you a real fighter but I dont understand how you knowing how to do those things makes me an autist.
You may know how to box and that makes you a boxer, you also may know how to grapple and that makes you a grappler. You could say I'm a boxer and a grappler and you would be right but what you are is a mixed martial artist who has studied boxing and grappling and to say that you aren't a mixed martial artist is wrong.

nobody knows who that is though

Rico Verhoeven, current kickboxing worldchampion

And proof Jason Blaha has reproduced.

Dem birthing hips.

Redpill me on pec size with fighting

Why is it bad to have big pecs and big biceps for running? Not fighting but running?

Because you have extra load on muscles you don't really use for running. Extra muscle regardless of being used means it will use up your oxygen, and your glycogen. It will also build up lactic acid much faster.

So you're out there running, with more lactic acid build up, while your glycogen and oxygen are being drained by muscles you don't really use.

It's the same thing with fighting, in order to last 3-5 rounds in MMA or 12 rounds in Boxing, you're running a marathon. You want your body to be built efficiently for it.

That's really about it.

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That’s why they’re called show muscles faggot

Pecs and biceps are not detrimental, you colossal faggot.

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>in order to last 3-5 rounds in MMA or 12 rounds in Boxing, you're running a marathon.

Nigga, wut?

Neither of those last as long as half of a rugby match, and include breaks on the regular. It's more like briskly jogging the 400m several times, with a minute or two in between every run.

Even in spite of your goalpost moving, Tyson is bigger than both of those faggots.

That's readily apparent if you've ever seen any MMA fight ever. 95% of those assclowns punch like hysterical morons.

I think op is saying that over sized pecs are detrimental but any over developed muscle is detrimental if its effecting your mobility or stamina. OP is really just saying there are muscular proportions that give you an advantage in hand to hand combat, no shit, that could be said about anything.

Ya and 95% of boxers would get destroyed if they stepped into an mma ring.

The "oversized" muscle in itself isn't a problem. And a large muscle doesn't inherently effect stamina or mobility. If it did, rugby forwards wouldn't exist.

The opportunity cost of developing that relatively less important muscle to such a great extent (meaning your weren't training stamina or practicing during that time) is the issue. DO bench press, and get big and strong, and don't be some bantamweight pussy no one but other weight class babbies and marks respects, but don't do it so much that it takes away from conditioning.

And baseball players can't hit a softball pitcher. Doesn't mean softball isn't a carny sideshow for the physically and mentally deficient.

THAS CAUTH i had a PABLEM with my SPINE

it wath SPINAL

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i don't know why that's so funny he technically didn't say anything wrong

bahahaha hes so fat how wide is his waist jesus christ

fat fuck what a shit body

does he even lift besides deadlifts and squats bahaha

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I feel like building big bodybuilder type pecs would be hard without lifting weights. And most boxing/mma fighters still believe lifting makes you slow and stiff.

i'll show them slow and stiff

i could take any mma fighter just with my explosiveness

one hit and i dont care how many lessons with miyagi they have under their belt there gunna feel it

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that's what Pete rubish thought too lol
now he's back to powerlifting 9 plates raw after giving up his MMA dreams

My point is, boxing is a shit fighting technique.

Yeah I know right, its not like most fights are fought with fist or anything.

What if they were wrestlers also?

Destroys your theory.

You should study Aikido... you'd be perfect for that style..

It would only destroy my theory if I didn't agree with you, Its the same for wrestlers, you take away the rules and wrestling cannot stand on its own as a fighting technique. Any specialized fighting form that needs rules so weaknesses cannot be exploited is not a respectable form of fighting.