Read The Old Testament

If he can't control us then he shouldn't have made us. He really couldn't foresee all those horrible things happening? Of course it'll happen when he gives humans a brain and free will. Why wouldn't it be better if we didn't exist? No suffering, pain, torture, rape, murder, starvation etc.

You can't have good things without bad things to contrast them. If you were constantly in a state of good, that would mean you would be constantly in one state, and the only way you would change would be if an outside force acted upon you to put you in a different state. You'd be like a rock.

>read the gospel
>think I'm Jesus

wtf I love my heavenly father now

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English since I am not a scholar nor an intelligent person.

So you dismiss all the miracles that take place? Do you not believe user?

The book of Job talks about these things you are questioning. It ultimately says that we cannot know God's plan, since we are ultimately nothing compared to him. Does a bacteria know what it is or is it aware of the world how we see it? I am saying it all wrong, so recommend you read the nook of Job for yourself.

That is incredibly heretical user.

I think the bad things far outweigh the good things. Not one person suffering is worth 100.000 people's happiness. You know about the horrible shit people have done. People have experienced pain unimaginable. It would be better if we didn't exist and had no consciousness. Seriously what's the point of life? And could you honestly say the good things are worth the suffering of people? That's just cruel and selfish

>that is incredibly heretical user
that's what the Jews said

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I'm pretty sure God was just a meme people started unironically believing during ancient times.

It's not even a person you're communicating this to, it's a reptile man who needs to believe the world revolves around him in some cosmic metaphysical way and that life is good because he is "alive" right now.

You sound like a whining baby, yet you are old enough to type. Decide which of these two you are. Be gracious that you even have this chance to exist. You're drawn on to God's canvas, you have the choice of being a baby or developing yourself into a more beautiful image on his canvas. You can cry and whine if you want, but those who live beautifully and with courage and with love will be rewarded more than those who live cowardly and with hate.

>Does a bacteria know what it is or is it aware of the world how we see it?
Do we expect bacteria to trust in our love?

>be grateful to exist in a place that exists between heaven and hell that is basically giant zoo/experiment

Well first of all no one suffered more than Jesus Christ. He is one who came to us to atone for all our sins. The burden that he carried in life and in death is unimaginable to us.

>Not one person suffering is worth 100.000 people's happiness
You are forgetting that this world is fickle. One day you may be happy, and another sadness might overcome you. Long lasting happiness is impossible without God. Wealth, fame, women, these sort of things can make you happy for a moment, but ultimately if your heart is empty of God you will never be happy. Put your faith in God and trust in his plan, we are safe in his hands.

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>It ultimately says that we cannot know God's plan, since we are ultimately nothing compared to him.
Really? Is that all you've got? We're part of some great plan? Eventually the human race will die out along with our planet. There is no purpose of it all

That is why I like the bible, and why atheists are just gay normies

scaphism is way worse than crucifixion though just because the people it happened to weren't retroactively atoning for some other peoples sins (which makes no fucking sense as a concept and never did) it doesn't mean it's "less bad"

The bible is just fapbait for people who want to BE the angry sky daddy. God is a self insert for the biggest retards out there who don't read well-written fiction.

I'm the baby, but you blindly believe in some old written texts with no proof at all. I honestly can't believe people are this stupid. At least in a hundred years most of religion will probably (hopefully) be gone, because people got a tiny bit smarter, can think more logically, critically and start to question more. Shame it's not happening now

To say that the burden that Christ carried was far above mankind destroys the purpose of it, his burden was to suffer as man suffers and to show that man and god move in the same stride, and in showing his compassion and forgiveness throughout it that the love of god is achievable not only from god to man, but from man to man.
It was not the degree of suffering that Christ went through that makes his sacrifice significant, it was that he purposely went through it as it was the only means to truly show the intention of god, see above.

You can't be religious and claim to be intelligent or reasonable. I'm sorry. I'm not being an edgy atheist it's just a fact. Not in this day and age.

>well-written fiction.
You mean like harry potter and star wars?

It would have gone away by now, these people are cultists who are allowed to infiltrate entire governments and sweep all the child abuse and all the bad stuff they do under the rug with some bullshit no true scotsman argument.

>read fiction
>star wars

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Sure, almost anything is better than your Jewish Gilgamesh fan fiction.

>Put your faith in God and trust in his plan, we are safe in his hands.
I wonder what the victims of the rape of Nanking think of this. Or those of Unit 731. Hell I'd say the Holocaust, but those actually were Jews. I wonder if they were still as religious after being tortured in the camps

Don't forget the Crusades happened as much as Jow Forums likes to pretend it was in good faith and not just a killing spree that got Isabella of Spain a Christaboo version of the nobel prize in 1970

I've heard voices of God and demonic voices talking to me. That's why I believe.

Not the guy you're replying to, but you need to think of god less like a conductor and more of as a force of nature, blind but not illogical, illogical but not blind, being content with 'god's plan' as others put it is like being content with the fact that in nature nothing is out of place.

Are you implying that the holocaust actually happened, and that if it did, it was not completely justified, given the crimes of the Jews?

I think /reddit/ will be more to your liking

That's why I believe you may have schizophrenia and that this cult group think bullshit is very unhealthy reinforcement of the mentally ill.

shut the fuck up you morbidly obese inbred sack of human dogshit

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>we were made by a magic man in the sky and we are totally different from Jews, look how we added more to their bible so they're different
>denies holocaust even though there are still survivors alive with tattoos and everything
w e w please don't reproduce, just go LARP as a dickless fuckhead somewhere else

Yeah, I'm a Christian, but I focus on the New Testament.

In was Jesus focused Near Death Experiences, Emanuel Swedenborg, and the New Testament, that brought me to Jesus.

>God makes Adam
>God makes Eve
>God makes tree of knowledge
>Puts snake like animal that can talk there
>Eve gets manipulated into eating fruit

>God kills everyone except a boat of people (not even possible)

>God needs tons of animals burned in his name to be happy
>God sacrificed himself to himself to save you from the hell he created
>God likely wants his toes sucked

>Are you implying that the holocaust actually happened
What are you retarded?

He is a christaboo, does that not imply anything on it's own?

>I wonder if they were still as religious after being tortured in the camps

Man's Search For Meaning By Victor Frankl.

Literally written by a Jew who lived in a concentration camp. He speaks about people holding on to their religious theism (and said that it was vital to their physical and psychological survival), despite being in a concentration camp.

>being an NPC liberal
>in 2018
>on Jow Forums

>"it's a sin to fuck dudes, sex is for only babies"
>make sex feel good
>put male gspot up the butt
just lol

Holy shit you're pathetic. No wonder you're terrified of being alone with your own independent thoughts, you're shockingly retarded.

Some people whine that the Old Testament is bad and will lower your consciousness and that the ascended master Jesus says we need to get away from those teachings but I'm here to tell you that I came from heaven too and that's exactly how one must treat those NPC SONS OF BITCHES.

Well I admire their determination and faith, but pity / judge their blindness

>chasing momentary pleasure instead of spirituality and true inner happiness

That's the little bit of satan that all men have in them.

Keep spouting stupid buzzwords until your faggot christboo friends from Jow Forums start jumping to defend their totally-not-Jewish cult of hatred and deception.

>"it's a sin to fuck dudes, sex is for only babies"

Catholicism isn't the only interpretation of Christianity.

Only interpretations believe that sex can be for pleasure, not just procreation. (So you can use condoms, with your wife, for example.)

Other interpretations, have examined the historical and linguistic context of the verse surrounding verses pertaining to homosexuality...

The books:

Changing Our Mind By David Gushee
God And The Gay Christian By Matthew Vines

God into depth, regarding Evangelical Christian attitudes and interpretations regarding homosexuality.

youtube.com/watch?v=6-3BgPNetio

What buzzwords exactly? What's with the projection and strawmanning? Why does Christianity trigger you so much? And why are you so angry and upset?

Why assume they are blind?

I'm not upset, I'm delighted you can't just drop buzzwords like "npc liberal" and get a cabal of idiots flooding your thread to defend your blatant retardation. Finally you're all alone, christboo.

>interpretations

See that's the problem with all religion how many interpretations can be made from a supposed book that God influenced the creation of. There are so many different versions of Christianity made to pander all walks of life.

That wasn't me calling an NPC or a liberal...

Not op but it's because God isn't real and religion is a lie to control people and to keep them from truly being hopeless. I mean you get to believe that everyone you loved that died will be waiting for you on the other side. There is no proof except for "I feel it in my heart/mind" that supports your beliefs.

>I think the bad things far outweigh the good things. It would be better if we didn't exist and had no consciousness. Seriously what's the point of life?

Why haven't you killed yourself yet?

>See that's the problem with all religion

Why is that a problem?

orginalimiso

If it helps them through unimagible horror, why is it a problem?

Would you prefer they abandon it?

Are you aware that atheists have a higher suicide rate than religious theists?

Either way christboos lie through their teeth and are used to getting their way no matter what stupid bullshit they are allowed to say in mass numbers like apologizing for or denying genocide. All you care about are "librul tears" you all deserve a lead pill.

>There is no proof except for "I feel it in my heart/mind" that supports your beliefs.

There is the Bible and the generations of believers before us.

No shit Sherlock, if I believed in hell I'd stay away from that place too. Idiot.

Please stop projecting. I can't have a conversation with you if that's all you're going to do.

it's a problem because it usually doesn't end with it just being their own personal belief they hold and don't bother anyone else with

in fact for a lot of them it seems to be their mission to force their views and beliefs on the rest of society

if religious people could just keep it to themselves it'd be perfect, but for american evangelicals especially that seems to be impossible, they want everyone else to conform to their beliefs and will seemingly use anything at their disposal to achieve that

You don't see how constantly branching into different subgroups with the purpose of altering the literal word of God until you get shit like wahhabism and mormons can create issues (like genocide)?

I didn't say they should abandon it, it is what it is. They need to abandon the hateful shit though but not surprisingly that comes along with religion, many first world countries aren't as bad any more though. But too many people get away with lots of shady shit when they are leaders of churches or in high places in religion. People will turn a blind eye and just pray for something better to happen.

How does pointing out that Atheist tend to commit suicide more than religious theists make an idiot?

You're not going to listen to reason, you are too sick in the head. But you are right, I could probably have a more insightful discussion with a fucking animal.

>in fact for a lot of them it seems to be their mission to force their views and beliefs on the rest of society

Dogmatically we are called to spread the word of God (evangelise). But my Atheist friend I raise you this question: why did you come into this thread and start spreading your hate of religion on us? Isn't that quite hypocritical of you?

Then I would say that's a problem with Christian behaviour and denominations, not Christian Theism.

How does my post not provide a reason? Do you just pick and choose what shit to read/believe because it's convenient?

So much hate, so much bitterness.

Jesus Christ loves you user, you might not see it but he does. His heart is endless, and he will help you put this hatred behind you. He cares not about your past, only that you repent and take him into your heart.

>The Bible
Yeah you can't prove something is real from it's source material. There are believers before lots of other religions too and they have their own religious text and customs. The also experience their own version of "I know it's real because I feel it in my heart". It's not hard to look up how many active "true" religions there are right now.

Atheists don't post low-key recruitment threads like this or "christians btfo" threads unless they were given a good reason (there always is one)

Jesus would have fucking hated you dude. You're a turbojew/holocaust denier you are totally fucked in the head.

I'm writing a short essay on Genesis and I'm confused as to who 'our' and we is and on whether or not God is just a personification of the laws of the universe or meant to be like a being

Imagine unironically believeing in god kek

It's one of those confusing parts that they like to ignore, along with all the other inconsistencies in the Bible.

It can, but religious genocide is very rare.

Also, the majority of wars in human history have been for political reasons, not religious reason.

>Of those wars, the authors categorize 123 as being religious in nature - which is an astonishingly low 6.98% percent of all wars. However, when one subtracts out those waged in the name of Islam (66), the percentage is cut by more than half to 3.23 percent.

carm.org/religion-cause-war

Free will can lead to good or evil, and free interpretation can lead to benign or harmful interpretations.

Because if I killed myself nothing would change for the rest of the world. And I am alive now anyway. I got lucky. Doesn't mean my normal "happy" live is worth it while other people have to suffer. I wish I'd never been born, yes. Along with everyone else

Not everyone wishes they weren't born, I've felt that way though, but that's likely due to depression from the living in a modern world like this. I think some people are able to adapt to it all more easily.

No, that's reason.

This is what happened...

Me: Atheists tend to commit suicide more than Theists.

You: Due to a fear of hell.

Me: OK fair enough answer, how does what I wrote make me an idiot though?

You haven't disputed what I wrote is a fact, you just gave a reason (which is a fair possible reason). I don't see how the post you replied to was idiotic though? What part was idiotic?

>implying separation of church and state was a concept for most of human history
More blatant retardation that I'm sure is only meant to insult my intelligence.

You: Atheists commit suicide more

Me: Due to a fear of hell

You: Ok but why do atheists commit more suicide?

Because it makes it seem even more credulous. If you're just going to cherry pick and project things the way you feel like it then what's left of the original meaning? If something is altered over and over again just to fit your own views it's even less believable than it was in the first place

The Gospels.

Cold Case Chrisitanity by J Warner Wallace
The Case For Christ By Lee Strobel

Both books combined deal with the historicity of Jesus, and the credibility of the gospels.

A debate on Jow Forums can't deal with the probable objections you will have about the historicity of Jesus and the credibility of the Gospels. Those 2 books can. Are you will to spend a month or 2 reading 2 books, that might give you a greater respect for the credibility of Christianity?

You may not be inclined to believe it's true, but you will at least probably have a deeper respect for one of the cultural pillars of western civilization.

(Just the credibility of the Gospels, mind you. I am not referring to the old testament. I'm not a literalist, in regards to the old testament personally, I agree with the Anglicans and the Swedenborgian Christians in that regard.)

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>Are you will to spend a month or 2 reading 2 books, that might give you a greater respect for the credibility of Christianity?
Wow you can actually do something useful in that amount of time like start learning another language, start a project, volunteer, you know, stuff christians are supposed to do instead of shitpost.

Ha, no thanks, I mean if I start reading books for Christianity I'll have to branch out and read at least two for the other religions (don't forget about those) I have a crazy religious nut that personally talks to God after a few hours of chanting so I'm good. Christianity has no credibility and I'm sure there are a lot of fallacies and strawman arguments in those books.
well we are all able to multitask, but serious reading those would bore me to tears.

Just because there was no desperation of church state, doesn't mean that a war is explictly carried out for religious reasons.

That's fallacious reasoning.

For example: There was no official separation of Church and state in England in the 11th century, but does that automatically mean that the Norman conquest of England was for religious reasons?

No, that would be ridiculous reasoning.

That's what you are claiming though.

He is talking to himself, he is a trinity so he uses our when talking to and as trinity, but I when talking to others as the father or son. God is defenitly a being.

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Why do you assume that the multiplicity of interpretations aren't sincere, and aren't done to suit a person's agenda or 'cherry picking'?

Because by your own reasoning it's the "word of God" and wasn't just written by a bunch of jews who figured nobody would learn to read anyway except monks and scholars. So if it's been altered, misinterpreted or even translated from it's original language then there's no way it can be real because you'd be a pile of salt or some shit right now.

So why did they, throughout all of history, love to say bullshit like "God is with us, this is God's country, praise thee" and all that nonsense before going into battle for "political" reasons?

>Wow you can actually do something useful in that amount of time

Leaning more about one of the pillars of western civlization, I believe, is a useful thing to do.

If anyone is interested in the history of ideas, then it's vital to learn more about philosophy and religion.

>Christianity has no credibility and I'm sure there are a lot of fallacies and strawman arguments in those books.

You won't know that personally, unless you read them, and decide for yourself.

I don't get why you seem to be so reluctant, to read them.

I've read books on "New Atheism", Islam, Hinduism, New Age, Near Death Experiences, Taoism, and Buddhism.

Why?

Because I'm interested in ideas, and what have influenced the development of civlizations.

I don't understand how people can criticize things, that they don't earnestly try to learn the basics about.

With politics, I researched into; Fascism, Libertarianism, Socialism, Left Wing Anarchism and Right Wing Anarchism. I wanted to understand where people were coming from, I wasn't scared.

Plus, I like to read books. I think it's a good habit to get into.

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Because if you keep altering something then what is left of the basis? It's not about the book any more, but their personal beliefs. And yes a lot of times it's done to suit a personal agenda