Let's be real, is face more important than muscles?

fat man arent even people so we dont talk about that

Yes because guy on the left is is going to be SWIMMING in pussy because of his face even though he's fat. Amirite?

You absolute idiot. Eat buchshot

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That is not the same guy. Different eyebrows, different lips. The fucking ear lobes are different, you fucking retard.

>lighting
>camera
>angles
When you lose fat your eyebrows become fuller as well
mouth is open stretching the lips so they appear fuller

>same nose
>same eyes
>same forehead
>same chin

this is a guy from reddit seabass1234 I think

Your desperation won't make a hanging earlobe into a connected ear lobe.

cope

CHARISMA >>> everything else

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>hurr durr it was posted on reddit so that means it is real

How stupid are you, exactly?

This seems rhetorical. Face is all too important. You will not associate with people that don't have a somewhat appealing face. It is the truth.

Holy mother of COPE

Mental health contributing to a tolerable personality is more important than either and obsessing about lookism is a great way to ruin yours.

Yes. When in doubt, yes. When thinking no way that just can't be the cool hard truth, yes.

David Beckham made insane amounts of money modeling for companies with THIS body

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He looks like a wakeboard

Kek.

Yeah his body is shit. But it's insane how good he looks with just a white t-shirt

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Face is king, but being fit and low bf% gives incredible face gains. Beyond that it's just about haircut and hygiene. Unless you're a truly hideously bone structured cretin, anybody can have a good looking face.

unironically my body with just a little more muscle, how do i improve my chest if it looks like this, are pushups enough?

Unironically, if you have the same body type as Beckham then just look up what he wears. Not kidding. Worry more about getting lower body fat for face gains.

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Of course.
If you have an ugly face there is no point in even trying. (speaking from experience)
People will just accuse you of "trying too hard" and "trying to be something you're not" (whatever the FUCK that means)

i achieved a body so good random strangers (men) would come up to me just to be like "whoa dude your physique is amazing" (legit words of 1 guy) but my face was just too ugly i heard a girl in the gym say "he has a nice body, shame about the face though". i gave up right then and there.

then to make matters worse the very next day my friend's friend told me "i'm trying too hard to be something i'm not" by simply working out, in context he clearly meant because my face did not look the part.

so i gave up. instead of being respected and rewarded like a Chad would for the very same actions i was mocked and ridiculed to "stay in my place" where ugly people belong

lmao his body looks like a joke

if you have an ugly face get ready to be endlessly accused of "trying too hard" and "trying to be something you're not" when you become fit instead of being rewarded and praised like a Chad would for the very same actions.

You should've just gotten some minor plastic surgery. Not joking. I'm sure you realize most celebrities get plastic surgery and veneers before they become a star

i would but currently do not have 10k+$

>if you have an ugly face get ready to be endlessly accused of "trying too hard" and "trying to be something you're not" when you become fit

Because it is true. Getting fit is the exclusive domain of people who are already decent. If you are ugly, forget about it. Not amount of lifting will make anyone forget about your face.

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a true Chad could literally shit into a baby's mouth and be praised for it whereas you would go to prison. looks & charisma = everything.

i would even go so far to say that if you already have an ugly face, getting muscles is only going to make people see you as more ugly.

because instead of being seen as a normal sized yet ugly dude, you are now seen as a hideous huge ogre who probably is a serial killer and child molester who holocausted 6 gorillion jews and worships satan

>is face more important than muscles?
only if you lift for aesthetics like a total fag

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There's only so much you can do to fix your face outside of staying lean and cosmetic surgery. So if you aren't going to pay to get your face chopped up being fit is one of the only ways you can actually control how you're perceived. You won't match up to someone with a beautiful face but you've gotta play the cards you're dealt.

Francisco Lachowski comes very close to perfection. There are virtually no flaws in his facial appearance.

He has perfect maxillofacial growth which becomes evident from the zygomatic arches that project wide and are round in shape in the tipping points. The nose is perfect: straight nasal septum indicates the face hasn't grown vertically more than it should at any point in developmental time so it doesn't appear hooked, it is also devoid of any obscure mal/formations, crookedness or deviation

He has near perfect dentofacial growth. While he has gotten some dental aid with orthodontics (evident from the appearance of his top central and lateral incisors+canines), his bite is perfect. You can tell this by looking at his lip posture, which is affected by the position of the mandible, and anyone will agree that it looks nice and balanced. The mandible is in an ideal position which means there's no malocclusion, and malocclusions have an enormous impact on the aesthetic appearance of the face. This is rare because with modern [western] diet and the rapid increase of allergies, it is extremely hard for most males to develop a nice looking jaw (not to mention that you need the appropriate testosterone levels and genetics to develop one). Lots of males that would normally develop a jaw similar to Lachowski's don't, because of mouth breathing or improper masticatory usage (the diet is too soft). It takes a perfect growing environment on top of good genes and hormone profile to develop a balanced facial structure like Lachowski's, and that's leaving out the individual features like the eye area, which in Lachowski's case is unique in itself. Perfect frame and bideltoid breadth, completely hooded eyes with aegyo sal and neutral canthal tilt with no scleral show and no upper eyelid exposure, flawless skin and perfect facial leanness, 1.88 fwhr, 0 on the NW scale, 7 cm interpupillary distance and 14.2cm of zygo width, forward grown maxilla and jawline with a massive skull.

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large sized nostrils

cope

That’s a good thing

Yes, but you cant change your face, can you?

Patchy beard

cope

his face has no character aside from vapid prettyboy
look at gandy, there's a man that screams class at least

a model is like an actor, they need to present a message, it's an artform, and what does lachowski present aside from his theoretically geometrically perfect face? Nothing as far as I can tell
of course he's still incredibly handsome and all, but this is why he's less famous and celebrated than "hot" actors that are much uglier than him

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Actually this. No need to compete with the actual top 5% model tier guys. Keep a we groomed appearance, maximize what you have and start working on your body language and charisma.

Theres no muscles in either picture you fucking retard

Enough said

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No woman cares about a man's body, unless they're a twink or morbidly obese.

>Lachowski
ballou and jon kotawhatever make him look like bitch

I'm sure she gives a shit

Yes, and the girls who are into muscles tend to be super low quality women, with trash phenotypes. Even if she's aesthetically pleasing (face ratios, clear skin, full lips etc.), the phenotypes are still indicators of low-tier women.

Be strong for yourselves, boys.

Lifting made my face more handsome somehow. Made my face thinner, yeah, but it made me look more vibrant or confident or something. Does someone know what's going on here?

both wrong

I bought a Samsung Galaxy S6 recently and the camera app has a slimming feature where you can make your face look less fat using a slider and you can see the results in real time. It is interesting how much your face can change though the results are far from realistic I guess.

>Good face
>Fat
That's like 1 in 1000 fat women and 0 in 100000 fat men. Face gets rekt first by being fat