What is the best advice to overcome social anxiety?

Literally just try. Doesn't matter if you look dumb or say the wrong thing. Learn to smile with your eyes and mouth in unison. Practice expressions in the mirror. Focus on the person you're speaking to, get out of your head. Talk about anything. Ask any questions that come to mind. Read books, anything.

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>people ITT saying to just put yourself into social situations

>even though im a weird and angry guy, no problem being talkative and joking around with people at work and being funny
>occasionally they will go to a bar/restaurant and i will go with them
>when i go to the bar i literally just sit there in a corner mute for a little bit before slinking away silently
>at a restaurant i will just sit there eating silently and people will say "wow user why are you so quiet"
>even my qt boss who i have no problem messing around with at work says "oh this is just user in social situations, he isnt like this at work"

social activities just make me completely shut down

How do I get out of my head?

Realize that nobody cares what you're doing

same. i think its just largely because i'm more comfortable with people i know about, whereas if i'm thrown into a room of strangers i just kind of bluescreen because of a combination of not knowing what these people are like and their conversations going fast as hell. if i do talk it's some extremely neutral mundane shit.

Get a job where you interact with people. It helped me a lot to be surrounded by coworkers all day.

no its worse because this is even around my coworkers im around daily. no problem talking at work, elsewhere shut down

be an arrogant asshole

Volunteer locally. No one will judge you there. Good place to pick up the womans too. Only 6-7/10 tho.

Force yourself to do shit that causes you anxiety until you stop being anxious.
Get a fucking job so that the anxiety of failure forces you to overcome the anxiety of daily interaction.

If actual professionally diagnosed social anxiety, CBT.

If you're just socially awkward and claiming social anxiety as self-diagnosis gives you an excuse not to improve, practise.

that's because you don't feel that pressure at work and in your head social situations come with a burden of somehow deciding your worth (again: in your head).

0.05g of MDMA (thats a very small amount)

Fish oil, phenibut, and ashwagandha

i just dont understand why that is. i guess its liek when people are having a conversation i dont want to butt in

Coming from someone who is so socially anxious that I dropped out of college and quit several jobs because I couldn't deal with the social aspect of it:

1. Try to seek psychiatric help. A lot of different things help SA but you should see if one of them pills is the magic pill for you, Wellbutrin for example does wonders to me.

2. Identify, in your history, what made you afraid of people and give your subconscious the confidence that this will not happen again. If you were physically bullied for example, martial arts is the way to go.

3. A well-balanced diet and supplements. A lot of SA is in the brain, and although I'm an idiot so I can't give you the full broscience of it, I know that the production of neurotransmitters like GABA and serotonin influence your anxiety levels greatly. Go on youtube and watch videos about how your body/brain creates dopamine, serotonin, GABA etc and you'll have a list of dietary shit your body needs to properly create them.

4. Check your T levels. Many studies have linked low testosterone to avoidant behavior

5. Improve your speech and talking skills in all possible ways. If you have trouble talking or run out of breath often, google solutions and exercises for it. If you have difficulty in expressing yourself, work on your vocabulary and read more. If you don't have things to talk to people about, try to be more well-informed on different subjects. The point is, every time we open our mouths in any social situation, our subconscious mind is judging. If things go well, it will trigger the necessary mechanisms to make situations like this more likely, and make you want to experience them again in the future. If things go badly, it will try to avoid that situation and this will be reflected on your anxiety and avoidant tendencies. Do whatever you can to be a good speaker and a good conversationist and you're more likely to have good social experiences.

>he has fragile self esteem
>his self esteem crumbles easily
>being rejected causes his self esteem to drop to 0
>seeing more attractive guys shakes his self esteem dramatically
>not getting matches on tinder breaks his self esteem into a billion pieces

just lmao @ skids whos self esteem is easily shattered. your self esteem will always be in the hands of other people. in other words, how you feel about yourself will always be at the mercy of others. in other words, you're cucked. learn to have a more solid self esteem that isnt easily shaken. be more self validated, become more secure with yourself.

you need to leap into the void, completely. let your insecurities consume you until they dont bother you anymore. then, nobody and nothing can touch you. no one can really hurt your feelings, because you already know any possible shitty thing they can say to you. when all of your insecurities are absorbed, you will have nothing to be insecure about. your natural state will be relative self confidence.

..or be a flimsy self esteem cunt for eternity

6. Leave your comfort zone, but be systemic about it. If there's one thing you learned with lifting is the importance of planning, of method, and of systematically increasing the challenges you face to force your body to adapt. Socializing is similar. You take small steps in one direction but you take them every week no matter what. Make a list of social situations that trigger your anxiety and find "exercises" for it. Make a checklist. Force yourself to do small talk with a co-worker everyday here, to do more public speaking here and there, to have more conversations with your parents, to flirt occassionally, etc. With practice and consistency, you'll gain experience and your mind will adapt to those small challenges you threw at it regularly.

7. Ask yourself: when you interact with people, are you secretly afraid that they will find something out? Maybe they'll find out that you're a virgin, or that you're stil immature for your age, that you don't have many friends, that you can't do this or that basic thing, and so on? Fears like that will always be in the back of your head when you talk to people. You can't socialize if you're always afraid that you'll be "found out". If you struggle with that, I suggest you make a list of things that you're afraid people will discover, aspects of your personality that you're terrified of others unveiling, and come up with either solutions for them, or if you can't, ways to own up to them. Make them part of your personality and wear it on your sleeve. Be a little self-deprecating if you have to, stay self-aware and don't be defensive, but show people (and yourself) that you're confident about who you really are.

8. SOME social psychology books/podcasts/videos are good. It helps to have something that will give you a "guide" to socializing. You're not going to follow it literally (no one does) but it might give you some confidence and structure to your interactions, knowing what buttons to press and what notes to hit w/ people

I used to be an enormous outcast. The trick is to affront your fears. Go to events, talk to people and LISTEN. Like seriously be truly interested in what people say and ask them questions. They’re used to others talking about themselfs.

I’m now the dide everyone wants around and people buy drink too. Years of isolement made me into someone really empathetic and caring. Just bee yourself bro.

this is the problem i have, just cant gather myself to care about other peoples whining and complaining

Same problem as you.
I see a shrink since 4 months and it helps me a lot.
Make baby steps otherwise you will never feel the pleasure of social interactions.
I also read " The subtle art of not giving a fuck " which motivated me greatly.
Focus about the journey not the end goal.

Love

I understand that feel 100% and you gotta just jump in sometimes, and be honest with people dude if people know you are awkward but have good intent and are trying to improve people that are worth your time will understand and help you build yourself up (from experience) the people that you think will judge you for trying to be the REAL you, not this autistic pussy are literal subhuman npcs who do not deserve a ounce of your respect or attention. This is a mindset that you have to pivot yourself internally into. Your brain will want easy buy you gotta fight comfort.

I used this exact stack and learned how to be social and am now at a point where I no longer need phenibut to talk to people

just be yourself bro

fuck all this bro advice do CBT now

get a therapist to guide you and get books

pirate pdfs if you're.a poorfag

The truth is you have to be around people you feel comfortable around then talking comes easy. If you don't like being around them moment one you never will. First Impressions are everything. Take the chadpill

Lithium orotate.

Semen Retention

Go dancing. Find a place that has regular dances with classes like the swing and salsa and then do that. Seriously.

Therapy
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you have been posting this over and over and over dude, once is enough and seven times is fucking annoying

Drugs and Alcohol

Ive been thinking about this shit a lot because it came to a point where it was crippling me, and ive noticed that the more you talk to people (anyone) the better you get. Try having more conversations with anyone, family, friends, strangers, try fiding some group in your city for anything youre interested in.
Try this site www.meetup.com ive been looking into it and im going to see about getting into a group for runners in my city

talk talk talk talk talk talk to ANYONE -- the problem with us is that we spend a little to much by ourselves, the more anxious we get around people the more isolated we get because its the response our brain has to being awkward, its the fear you get. Dont get discouraged and i wont either, lets get out there and stop spending so much time by ourselves, practice is the key to everything, ive come to find.

Lets improve our life together user, i wish you the best of luck.

Just do it

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in what context was that posted on Jow Forums?
was it about YOLOing on robinhood?

have sex

I have no idea, I don't browse Jow Forums I just stole the screenshot from another user a while ago.

Downed 10 shots worth of vodka with some beers and champagne last night and acted like even more of an anxious mess. It doesn't help for everyone.

by killing yourself, fucking pussy

whatever you do dont take steroids especially not tren. people always say roid rage is just a mem but I can tell you from experience if you are autistic and full of hatred for the world only bad things come from it. never do it.

and what does thinking about the pepe get me?

Focus on the person. What colour eyes do they have? Look at them and smile, learn to smile with both eyes and mouth. What are they wearing? Hairstyle, tatoos, body type, height, way of carrying themselves. Are you on a date with them or are you just a passerby? Don't be afraid of conversational pauses, they're natural, don't rush to fill the gap. Focus on them. Consider everything they're saying.
This is a great help. Learn to be cordial with people. If people bant, laugh and bant back if you have something in mind, otherwise roll with it.

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Fake it till you make it. Just Draper it bro.

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I'm nearly two years into a customer focused role and I still have very frequent awkward interactions, even the occasional stutter. I'm beyond help t bh even after I've improved so much

I'm gonna spew out some normie shit that has worked for me so just stay with me.
>Consistent sleep schedule
>Exercise regularly (even if it's just 15 minutes walking a day)
>Eat better/cut out junk food
>Improve hygiene
Those 4 things wont necessarily help "overcome" the anxiety but rather help you get to the core of the issue by trimming away all the baggage that comes along with social anxiety shit.
I still experience social anxiety but there's one difference now and that's acting less on my anxiety. I still get the thoughts, the pumping heart and the shaking but I still pull through. It doesnt always work out. I still sometimes have "inner meltdowns" but I try my best not to indulge myself in the thoughts and feeling that come along with that fear and move on.

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Adjacent question: how do you figure out if some one is really interested in you?

I've been bullied in school sometimes, so I fell into the habit of just assuming everyone hated me and distancing myself from them. It got to a point where, whenever someone was nice to me I'd just assume they're either making fun of me or being a 'good Samaritan'. Obviously I didn't show affection either because that'd make bullying just easier.

So now whenever I talk to people, I can't for the life of me figure out if they're just talking to me because they have to (for example in uni), do it out of boredom and are apathetic to my being there, or are genuinely interested.
This goes especially for girls. Also how do you show affection back without overwhelming them/being creepy.

Make drugs and alcohol your absolute last resort. Self-medication is not sustainable and it WILL catch up and fuck you hard, be it addictions or dependencies.

honestly, microdosing psylocybin mushrooms has done wonders for me. Taking just a little bit every few days has made me feel significantly more confidant and outgoing in just about every situation. I think its kinda fucking with my sleep though

but how do you 'put yourself in more social interactions' without friends? I'm not going to a bar by myself for instance

get off the internet. be around other people. you may not like it but it will work

Isn't phenibut dangerous? Addictive I mean

L-DOPA, 5-HTP, Sangre de Grado, and astaxanthin are better.

Wellbutrin makes people more anxious usually how the hell does that help?

All of this is bullshit OP
Just realize that life is meaningless and you will die someday, leaving no impact, no matter how stupid OR cool you appear right now.

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>2 minutes into a conversation with a stranger
>run out of things to talk about
>can't think of anything else to say
How to fix social retardation?

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what if the presence of crowds give me my anxiety (i.e. being in said crowd and feeling overwhelmed)? I usually opt to snake through the crowd, because having to be in the crowd is nerve-wracking enough, trying to talk to someone is damn close to impossible.

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>retarded faggots think working out is a perfect analogy to anything
Big oof

Do a team sport. Something that requires talking to people but the goal isn't just socializing.

>Start small easily ended conversations with chill non threatening people
what kind of open parties?

>go to any club
>loud music, so hard to talk loudly or hear people
>everyone else is with their friends
>you have none and are a lonely socially awkward autist
what do?

>tfw 33 year old khv

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When do you pay attention to the environment around you? When you're gathering information on the environment. Initiating conversation is an extension of this. For example, you enter a room and what do you look for when you enter? Likely, what objects in the room? Are you alone in the room? what does the room look like?, etc.

It's the same principles with people. Your questions are just different. What information can you learn about them that will make you more comfortable with them? Depending on the information you're looking for, requires a certain amount of social skills or finesse to know when and how you can get your information without coming off as a creep. For example, you can ask straightforward, "Do you have a boyfriend?", "Do you want to fuck me?", but you come off as a socially inept creep. Or, you can initiate conversation and nudge it over time toward those topic, and that information will come naturally, since the conversation gives context for giving out the information.

Context is a big deal too. Where are you? What's going on? What is/n't appropriate to talk about, given the situation and environment? This is usually assessed before a conversation, and is to adapt as the conversation progresses.
Read about the OODA Loop on the process for this.

>practicing at something doesn't make you any better
Brainlet detected

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Retard faggot says oof. Your're the guy i make eye contact with at the gym and looks away in under a second.

phenibut

take it a max twice a week

How do you go out and be social when you have no friends to be social with?

Real question, you don't go to bars alone.

Join a club or a hobbyist group. That way you know everybody there is tied together by a similar interest and you have something to talk about. I could barely make eye contact with a person when I talked to them but I made myself join a business club when I was in college and I ended up meeting my wife there. Now we have a 3 month old son who grow up to become an anime hero and continue the cycle

>tfw you realize social anxiety is gonna make your life mediocre and regrettable when you die
>decide not to give af about what anyone says does or thinks about you
Live with purpose mate, I know it’s tough but trust me you don’t want to be on your death bed regretting your life because you didn’t take control.

you mean these?

go out more, listen and think before speaking.

>every post is "lol jus get uot there and tlak to poeple."

Really makes you think. Nah. I'll just keep trying different drugs until something works.

i can relate with this a lot

oh okay

>this meme again

Worked customer service and also sales for 7 years. I've been getting WORSE results in socializing with people. Lifting somehow made me more self concious as well.

Then you'll just end up relying on the drugs instead of becoming a fully realized human being. It's incredibly tough but worth it, I still struggle, but the pain of being isolated for the rest of your life is much worse than that of social awkwardness. I believe in you, user

Sit down next to an ugly girl at a cafe or lounge and just stare at her while asking as many questions as you can think of.

You'll eventually realize that A- people love being interviewed, even if it's over nothing. And B- most of what's actually spoken in a conversation means little, it's all in tone and body language

> 40-80mg propranolol
Whenever I'm in any social meet ups I have to act cool to a bunch a people, especially qt3.14s, I take 1 or 2 pills of propranolol

For years I thought I had unmanageable anxiety that didn't respond to therapy, SSRIs, mindfulness techniques etc while in fact it's all gone just by subdosing propranolol once in while ; that is, I had exacerbated sympathetic autonomic response and that's all

The fact that propranolol is so cheap and effective and unharmful bothers me some, since no doc, no one recommended it to me ever

I've spent my teens crippled by "anxiety" so simple to manage ; thankfully it's gone

Btw, do not mix propranolol with alcohol or weed or any other depressing drug

Biggest obstacle to overcoming my social anxiety is not wanting people to see what a shut-in loser I am. I have no issues with my coworkers (the only people I know) being talkative, joking around a lot, being a funny guy... even though I'm weird I'm pretty funny. But when it comes to any sort of more "intimate" interaction with people like a one on one conversation, or eating/drinking with people, I just go silent and wallflower like an aspie because I really don't have anything from my life to talk about.

Same reason why the thought of actually going on a date with someone terrifies me. I honestly cannot imagine having a conversation like that at a restaurant with someone ,I don't think I ever have in 26 years of life. And all it would do is expose my loserness in 3 minutes of convo and it would be over.

Oh man I wish I had a gun

>embarrasses himself
>can no longer show his face in public again

>exacerbated sympathetic autonomic response
what is this

The sympathetic nervous system (SNS) is one of the two main divisions of the autonomic nervous system, the other being the parasympathetic nervous system.

The autonomic nervous system functions to regulate the body's unconscious actions. The sympathetic nervous system's primary process is to stimulate the body's fight-or-flight response. It is, however, constantly active at a basic level to maintain homeostasis homeodynamics.

> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_nervous_system

be yourself, don't be afraid of failure, take risks, laugh at your mistakes and learn from them, think of the bigger picture, share what you like

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isn't that what anxiety is though? I don't see how that's any different

Stop being such a tryhard. Literally, you try too hard (to be liked, to be respected). First you have to learn detachment, be content with who you are and respect yourself. Don't try to seek it from others. Once you are comfortable with yourself, you'll stop trying to force things and it will just flow. There's also some weird law of attraction where you won't get the things you crave too hard. Say you want people to laugh, it won't work if it looks like you want it so much. People don't want to feel like you're trying to get something from them.

That's just one mode of the physiological aspect of anxiety.

Anxiety being an emotion, inner state of turmoil.

I often make eye contact with shy looking guys in public transport and wink at them or raise my eyebrow just to see their reaction, and laugh afterwards.

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this

Damn those eyes

You don't seem to realize that this "sympathetic response" was/is a reflection of personality. Why did you felt an adrenaline spike ? Because you felt in danger, in danger of not being liked or respected ("trying too hard"). You can change that by will alone but modern (((science))) would make you think you were born like that and the only solution is a medication. And I didn't say it is simple to change by will, it involves coming with personal philosophies and resolutions, might involve working on a narcissistic aspect of one's personality (no assumption but its extremely common nowadays). The crutch that you use allows you to think differently and perhaps you could learn from how you're behaving under it to apply it when you're sober. Like stopping stress as it comes and realizing you don't have to impress or whatever, as you were just being yourself on propranolol and it was working.

i ate some party food at a job i did and brah
>buzzing, cannot stop moving
>feel like I'm the best, no anxiety at all
>literally dancing infront of 40 people
>feel on top of everything
ever since then, I been trying to get that feeling again. I know it wasn't placebo, it was a legit high. It could have been: blue cheese, pickled onion or sausage meat. i thhink it was teh cheese. ever since i have tried every blue cheese I have come across to try and get that again.