its the start of the new year and the start of the one month vegan challenge aka VEGANUARY... step up to the plate Jow Forums
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More like vaganary fag lmafoo
If I wanted to starve myself for a month I'd fast
hurrr durrr vegann jokeessss
Fuck your suicidal cult you faggot.
kys faggot
go beat off your bacon cuck friends
jealous meatcucks cant cope
>be meat eater most of life
>grow large, strong, overweight
>switch to veganism
>cut down to low bf because of forced nutritional deficit
Wow guise look vegans can be bodybuilders too!
Also shit photo.
What do you do for protein? I'm vegetarian but eat a lot of milk and eggs.
you just did a shit job at making sure you got all your nutritional bases covered on a vegan diet... same with the pic, parents didnt feed the baby properly, would cause death. vegan or not
No vegan bodybuilder has been vegan for more than 1 or 2 years. A longterm vegan lifestyle damages organs and the body even with dietary supplement. Its why you see rapid aging in 5+ year vegans and skin that looks like leather.
literally wrong, there are vegan bodybuilders that have been doing it for many years, not alot, but enough to see it is possible. alot of vegans are GAINING muscle on the diet not losing or simply maintaining. vegan diets dont damage your organs unless your doing some dumbasss 'raw' diet or some shit.
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Malignant tumor of a person trying to literally kill people with misinfo
>posts a video of sv3ridge(or whatever the fuck his name is)
isnt it 2019? still posting videos of carnivore sun gazing, receding hairline, autist mother fuckers
I posted a compilation of vegan malournishment, by Sv3rige, why do you attack the uploader instead of addressing the contents of the video?
he literally uploaded mainly shitty 'raw' vegans. they dont count. kys milk drinker
>i-it didn't count because it wasn't real veganism!
Vegans are worse than communists.
Dont reply, I know theres only one vegan samefag in this thread and its OP
>literally wasnt
dont know what the fuck your argument is buddy
get the fuck out, non argument
Samefag check. Proove me wrong.
keep dreaming meat cuck
Nah, I appreciate the offer, but I’d rather not kill my gains. Thanks anyway!
Please remember to ignore samefagging and sage in all fields.
>VEAA
>GNURY
WHAT DOES IT MEAN?
Shitposting sungazing carnist retards give it up. It's Veganuary time for you to adopt the diet of the future and get LEEN!!
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Weight problem?? No longer, the new slim and trim you is just one diet change away GO FUCKING VEGAN!!!
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HAHAHAHA!
have fun in your faggot bitch frailty cult
Vegans are awesome. Also stop shitting up the thread. Dumb trolling and base political contradictive bickering make my head hurt because I guarantee everyone has better things to do that that and my sense of goodwill would be wasted replying to every shitstain wasting their time baiting for a response online. What are my fellow vegan’s plans for this year? I want to start feasting on what I grow. I also can’t wait to put on the weight I’ve lost recently again to prove to my family in the country you can be healthy on a vegan diet.
Every vegan I've met in real life have been pale, emaciated ghouls that can't think straight. You've been played for a fool.
What user above me said, and,
You have no fellow vegans here, your otherkin tweeengender friends are all on huffpo and antifa.com, take your vegan message there and you can all starve to death together. We'll laugh at you from a safe distance.
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mmmmm vegaynary?
hehe taking msm serious .
5 year vegan here. Veganism is the only thing that has helped my binge eating and kept my weight under control. It goes without saying but I have lots of energy, skin is incredible and my hair has never grown faster. Don’t listen to faggots shitting on veganism without doing your own research, lads. It’s definitely not for everyone, but for those capable enough to actively pursue nutritional requirements and who want to break free from the corrupt animal agriculture industry, have a look into it. I will never ever look back
I've only met fat vegans.
Then again, they were women, and women are fat.
Easy to be fat when vegan. All that sugar and grain isn't off limits
bread, deep fried potato and many varieties of alcohol is all vegan desu. A lot of my vegan peers believe in the ethics of it, but are too retarded to eat properly (like most people)
>want to break free from the corrupt animal agriculture industry
Fucking idiot. You kill more animals than I do by a factor of 25. How much pesticides are used in your intensive vegetables agriculture??? (Tons and tons and tons)
How much pesticides do I pay for when I buy grass fed beef and local farm eggs?? (Fucking zero)
Veganism = Hypocrite liar cult.
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It's literally the opposite you down syndrome retard. The jews have brainwashed you since you were a kid that meat is bad and you actually fell for it.
>assuming I’m talking about animal slaughter and not carbon emissions, river pollution and the absolute state of factory farming
meat eating brainlet detected
>m-muh pesticide!!11
Oh I don't care about that, if I were to go vegan it would be solely because we have a moral obligation to reduce suffering, and industrial agriculture is the cause of a mind-boggling amount of suffering. Reducing animal product usage is most effective thing we can do to reduce suffering; next is putting money towards things like eradicating malaria. Can provide links to some philosophy about this + theory of mind stuff - there's lot of interesting talk about moral imperatives re: suffering and about weighing probabilities of different things feeling pain in a way we care about. Anyway, don't the animals you eat need to eat plants (grown with pesticides in industrial ag) to grow? If those plants are grown with pesticide, meat is a net increase in pesticide. If not, what's stopping vegans from also eating plants produced without pesticide?
The link from The Conversation is interesting though. Going vegan doesn't mean increasing your grain consumption - though of course this is to do - and I think on a higher level the argument re: mouse suffering indicts current industrial agriculture and not the practice of eating non-meat in general. In the most ethical case, a home garden and a chicken hutch, your garden doesn't need to poison mice to produce peppers or herbs, but you can't eat the chickens without killing them. This means that it is more difficult to eat ethically than just going vegan, but we already knew that. I'll think about it some more tonight.
Pic related. Not samefag. Why are you so mad? Just go to another thread since you don't like this one. Vegans don't go into gomad threads to complain, don't come into the vegan thread to complain.
Holy shit your cult is terrible. No one make eye contact with these retarded morals
Double reply cuz I forgot - that's a good article for Australia, but I think most beef in the US is fed grain, not grazed on grass. So if you're eating meat, you're still killing little mice to feed the cows you eat.
:( okay I get it. Few people want to have any respect for people on this website, whatever. Thats is the reason you are incellular by the way, because if someone has a different opinion to you, you expend all your vitriol and inner feelings of angst and depression kn that person. If you feel the urge to reply to this post, that’s probably you.
Finally good to hear someone else reasoning that the animals we eat ALSO need to eat plants. Coming from a farming background I can 100% confirm this is how things go. Even most pasture cows are supplemented with grains and by the way, pastures take up more room than growing food crops, hence more deforestation, as well as degrading soil quality in certain areas due to clearing the land of trees and their hard hooves. Animal agriculture is more harmful for the envronment. The only exceptions I’m aware of would be pigs or chickens entirely grown on scraps of food we cant eat ourselves, and hard hooved animals in pastures where they support the biosystem, in soil areas where crops could not be grown for food or on fields that are in a period of rest from plant agriculture. Hard hooved animals produce a lot of methane anyway which is not good for the envioronment so I highly recommend landowners to keep only a couple of cows anyway, none being a better option.
If you reply to this post with a reprehensible comment, accusatory statement, strawman argument, name calling, trolling and any other similarly pathetic forms of communication, I won’t respond. Patrician, self-respecting posters only.
If this does not convince you then consider this: you have about 80 years on the earth give or take. Are you really going to spend your time baiting people for a response on the internet? You could spend that time working out, planning a meal or studying to enhance your skillset and sense of self worth, and instead you will waste your time on a hmong blanket sewing forum?
>we have a moral obligation to reduce suffering, and industrial agriculture is the cause of a mind-boggling amount of suffering.
There is no "we" you are a different species, you are Satanic anti-natural creatures who want us dead, so please don't mock us with the use of the term "we"... the rest of your platitudes and jargon-speak is just mumbo-jumbo designed to shift the focus away from your industrial agriculture procedures which includes heavy tilling of soil, massive pesticides use which is an animal Holocaust you specifically pay for, etc etc. Your agriculture practices kill every living creature over vast vast acreages,
I pay for cow food. I pay farmers money so they can make sure cows can have lots of baby cows. Your hands are drenched in the blood of innocent wild animals you hypocrite, and you don't care even the slightest bit.
>Clear cutting forests and dumping tons of pesticides on any living animals which remain so I can eat perfect fresh vegetables from around the world is most effective thing we can do to reduce animal suffering.
I wouldn't say this in real life, but as an adult human you have a responsibility to honestly evaluate your options and make moral choices. I think that if you're unwilling to do that, you're wasting your life as a moral agent. You gotta grow a pair and make sure you're doing the right thing. If your moral framework gives 0 consideration to nonhuman suffering, you're all good - but I doubt that it does, so it's extremely likely that you're not living in accordance with the morals that you nominally support. How do you justify the incredible suffering of thousands of animals because you like the taste of meat? You don't have to go vegan - eating less animal products than you do now is better than doing nothing - but I think that any reasonable system of morals probably means that you should.
In a less combative mood, here are the links I promised earlier. These are a few things I've found that are pretty central to what I've come to believe over the years.
What is effective altruism and why should you care?
- theatlantic.com
Why should we help other people? If you only read one link, make it this one.
- utilitarian.net
Reducing suffering v increasing happiness. Can you torture one guy to make the entire world a little happier?
- reducing-suffering.org
Some more interesting stuff about consciousness, spread among several essays. In particular, there's probably not a sentient/not sentient cutoff where you can say that, for instance, a cow's experience matters but a frog's does not. Lots of other good essays on this site, though I don't agree with everything - he's kind of extreme in some places. Still, good food for thought.
- reducing-suffering.org
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>don't the animals you eat need to eat plants (grown with pesticides in industrial ag) to grow?
Grass on pasture is not grown with pesticides, it's not needing any intensive cultivation and God provides the sun and rain. Since you have never heard of this, it's kind of like magic.
Cows also eat stuff which is not ever going to a humans plate, unless you figure out a way to eat corn stalks, grass, hay, etc.
>If those plants are grown with pesticide, meat is a net increase in pesticide. If not, what's stopping vegans from also eating plants produced without pesticide?
I don't know? You tell me why you don't eat hay, or grass? Or silage? But no human does, including vegans.
I control my weight by not having a mental illness that makes me eat everything in front of me, but I’m glad you found something that worked for you.
>that's a good article for Australia, but I think most beef in the US is fed grain, not grazed on grass.
False again. You literally don't know anything about this subject. You watched some Veganism emotional propaganda, got brainwashed, and now you are armed with lies and falsehoods to support your brainwashing.
Most cows in the USA live on pasture, may be finished on grain, after their time on grass.
>So if you're eating meat, you're still killing little mice to feed the cows you eat.
Remember our side aren't the animals rights advocates you colossal imbecile.
>Finally good to hear someone else reasoning that the animals we eat ALSO need to eat plants. Coming from a farming background I can 100% confirm this is how things go. Even most pasture cows are supplemented with grains and by the way, pastures take up more room than growing food crops, hence more deforestation
Massive totally false statement. What a fucking liar and you have a farming background? We already have plenty of grasslands out west for grazing. No deforestation needed. God made this land for cows(bison) any deforestation would only be for something else (which literally including everything, especially including all the sõy and avocados needed to feed the growing vegan demand ie you)
Sounds like you have zero farming background, but took in a good deal of emotional propaganda made by marxists (vegans)
Do you eat grass-fed beef for 100% of your diet? In a typical US diet, only about 15% of energy intake is from meat - everything else is the plants that you think are so bad. That would mean your hands were almost as bloodstained as mine. Also, most meat is grain-fed - eating it means you're still killing innocent wild animals, and more than if you had just been eating plants directly.
I'm trying to converse in good faith, so don't call me Satanic. We both seem to want to reduce animal suffering. I doubt any industrial agriculture can be suffering-free, but I might agree that eating grazed animals causes less harm than industrial grains. However, it seems pretty clear that industrial plants cause less harm than industrial meat, which is basically bad in every way - and for most people, we're talking about a choice between these two.
>How do you justify the incredible suffering of thousands of animals because you like the taste of meat? You don't have to go vegan - eating less animal products.....
First of all we would have to be retarded to try to justify anything, to our enemies who want us dead. Second of all your hands are dripping in the blood of countless animals killed with your money in large scale vegetables agriculture.
One cow per year dies for me and you put thousands of animals on my lap?? Print your questions out to yourself you massive hypocrite while you drown countless animals in chemical pesticides.
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>Do you eat grass-fed beef for 100% of your diet?
No the rest is eggs, milk cheese (and a small portion of vegetables and fruits, less than 5% of what a vegan eats. But yeah guilty)
>In a typical US diet, only about 15% of energy intake is from meat - everything else is the plants that you think are so bad. That would mean your hands were almost as bloodstained as mine.
I never said plants are bad. I eat one cow per year, some eggs and cheese (zero deaths, I can say my cheese purchase causes more cows to have life, while you kill animals with pesticides)
>Also, most meat is grain-fed - eating it means you're still killing innocent wild animals, and more than if you had just been eating plants directly.
That statement only goes for aushwitz farms pork production and chicken. You need to argue that with normie Walmart consumers, none of whom you will find here lol. They don't care about this argument or worry about food. We're (carnivore interest purists) eating organic, grass fed etc etc. The most important thing is that you will sicken and damage yourself with the deficient Veganism diet plan. If you are some kind of SJW or anti-white, then good.proceed.
Nah.
>Most cows in the USA live on pasture, may be finished on grain, after their time on grass.
Yup. Did some more looking into it and understand that most cows eat a shitton of grain at the end of their lives. So, still eating meat requires the same old suffering from crop production.
PBS: (pbs.org
> In 2008, corn-fed cattle are the norm. While most cattle still begin their lives grazing on grass, the vast majority—an estimated three-quarters of them, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture—are “finished,” or fattened for market, in feedlots. There, they spend three to six months eating a diet composed of 70 to 90 percent corn.
> our side aren't the animals rights advocates
Aren't you the same user that made a big fuss about my bloodstained hands? It'd make things easier if you could use the quote function.
Overall, I question your motives. If you're trying to do good in the world by converting vegans, you should act civilly so that people actually listen to you. Not gonna reply any further.
I'm alright, thanks
Oh I see what you're going for. Sorry we got desynced.
I'm vegetarian but vegan protein powder gives me the worst shits of my life so I can't get rid of whey. Say lavee
>(Most cows) are “finished,” or fattened for market, in feedlots. There, they spend three to six months eating a diet composed of 70 to 90 percent corn.
Yes, a bad thing. But are they eating corn like we do, or corn stalks and all? (Framed as question because I don't know feedlot procedures)
>Overall, I question your motives. If you're trying to do good in the world by converting vegans, you should act civilly so that people actually listen to you. Not gonna reply any further.
My motives are only this - to mock my enemies and protect my comrades (basically right wing Bros) from the Satanic self harm cult called Veganism. I want all leftists to stay vegan, just leave this board, thanks for never responding to me again, I will never come to huffpo chat to redpill leftist vegans that's my promise.
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You’re on Jow Forums, everyone here has a mental illness. Yours just doesn’t have binge eating as a side effect.
Calling them idiots won't help them. They're mentally damaged because of the vegan diet, you have to be nice in order to get them to reality, even if they insult you (their anger is a symptom of starving).
because you started this thread, I'm going to buy two ribeye's on the way home. fuck you vegan fucking $01boy faggot.
The first vegan person I met was a college mate. he like this:
>Brought up the issue on every single conversation
>During the 1st year he would randomly call every non-vegan a "murderer"
>Full-time militant of an animalist political organization. Barely studied
>Had to eat all the time, so he wouldn't faint
>Began fasting, as he believed that would control his enraging hunger