Got in trouble with his hospital and essentially tried to cover it up

That's what you expect from a roiders blood exam

Take a look at paleomedicina.com (unrelated, but carnivore as well) and you'll see plenty of perfect blood exams from carnivore people

Heck, the "fat of the land" experiment showed that in 1 year interval of carnivore diet, you're exams still will good, and likely the same applies for longer periods

Anecdotes are proof, CMV

Additionally, watch any documentary on the Inuit.

When it comes to keto, carnivore and nutrition in general it's noticeable how Americans lag behind their European peers.

Not only paleomedicina.com is putting out a great deal of research regarding meat only diets (to many diseases) but actual guidelines are being updated. Germany guidelines already condemns vegan and vegetarian diets for people with increased metabolic demands (ie children, pregnant women). UK has already sent to trial parents that force vegan diets upon their children, due to malnourishment of those children. Even a UK deputy has been forcing review of keto diets as a treatment for DM since himself was cured from diabetes by cutting out carbs.

Funny thing about blood tests, if you're young, you can eat like shit and have good blood results. Mine came back fine too except for high cholesterol, when I was paleotarding. My teeth got fucked up though until I stopped, and I felt better being 0% paleotard and eating zero cholesterol.

The inuit used to drop dead by 60. Even autoptsies of inuit from hundreds of years ago have shown that they had atherosclerosis.
and mind you, the inuit were never even keto. They have a genetic adaptation to not go into ketosis, and they eat narwhal skin for carbs in winter. Their cuisine contains seasonal vegetation and stored nuts for the winter.

>teeth got fucked up on paleo
You never actually went paleo, you liar.

>They have a genetic adaptation to not go into ketosis
You have a genetic adaptation to being a fucking retard.

>teeth got fucked up on paleo
Very unlikely, as no documented paleo reports that, and there are plenty at various age at paleomedicina.com. Lacking evidence, user. In this regard, you're below Shawn Baker, as he at least provide many documented anecdotal cases.

Inuit heart disease and decreasing life expectancy were statistically documented only after adopting standard American diet, beginning in early 1950s. There's no solid statistics from the preceding period (ie 19th and early 20th century). From there on, they are on the same avg as those who have as much income as they do.

There are indeed reports comparing urbanized and non urbanized inuits health index such as vitamin D, and the latter do much better than the former.

As it's documented (for example, on Stefansson reports), artic people had no carb as a staple of their diet, but rather as seasonal delicacy, that is, summertime fruits.

I ate a diet of mostly meat, some greens and avoided whole grains for the most part.
I took care of my teeth but I got problems, so I started following the dietary guidelines of the Weston A. Price Foundation to the extreme, which did zero good.

Following mainstream nutrition guidelines from academics healed my teeth and gums.

>You have a genetic adaptation to being a fucking retard.

Dismissing genetics out of hand and I'm the retard?

It's called CPT-1A Arctic Variant.

The normal CPT-1A is a severe illness requiring extremely high carbohydrate diets to sustain life. The Arctic variant however is mild and basically prevents a person on a low carb diet from entering ketosis.

yk-health.org/images/3/36/Arctic-Variant-CPT-1.pdf

>The Arctic Variant
>A missense mutation (P479L) found in all affected Alaska Native people
>NBMS confirmed by PCR—Gold Standard
>Same mutation found in Canadian and Greenland Inuit populations and in British Columbia First Nations populations
>Skin biopsy results showed that this mutation gives 10-25% enzyme activity

Keto diet is so poisonous that inuit have their own equivalent of sickle cell to avoid it.

>no documented paleo reports that

Wrong.

perfecthealthdiet.com/2010/11/danger-of-zero-carb-diets-iii-scurvy/

>Adopting a low-carb diet brought immediate changes: it made what I would much later recognize as a chronic bacterial infection better (in parts of the body, not the brain) and made a chronic fungal infection worse.

>Within about a year I had developed scurvy. It took me an embarrassingly long time to figure out what it was. By the time knew what it was, I had 3 cavities; had lost 25 pounds; had developed diverticulitis and an abdominal aorta that visibly swelled with every heartbeat; and had minor skin wounds – scrapes and scratches – that hadn’t healed in 6 months.

>By the time knew what it was, I had 3 cavities

>3 cavities

Dude had it worse than me.

This also highlights why the eskimo had to develop a genetic adaptation against keto.

>An infection or some other stress (e.g. injury, cancer) leads to the oxidation of extracellular vitamin C; and
>On a low-insulin or glutathione-deficiency-inducing diet, oxidized vitamin C is not recycled.

All you had to do was listen to his rogan podcast to know he was a phoney

Grugglife does not breed healthy longevity

Preagricultural hunter gatherers definitely had atherosclerosis:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23489753
>Atherosclerosis was common in four preindustrial populations including preagricultural hunter-gatherers. Although commonly assumed to be a modern disease, the presence of atherosclerosis in premodern human beings raises the possibility of a more basic predisposition to the disease.

It has two anedoctal reports, if counting the one you gave, that makes 3. However, in the only clinically conducted long term carnivore diet, that is, the one Stefansson took in at Cornell/FDA there were no reports of scurvy or cavities or altered blood exams. No report on those studies published by paleomedicina Institute either.

That leaves open whether : 1. there's a key difference in low carb to carnivore ; 2. any confounding factors on anedoctal reports ; 3. there are people who cannot adapt to it (for multiple factors).

Glutathione usually does not depend on diet, since it has very poor bioavailability through ingestion. So there may be yet another factor/deficiency that might have gone unnoticed on high carb diet, but not keto.

The artic variant though is a nice hypothesis, but it's an hypothesis. As far as clinical studies though, none support detrimental effects of keto in general.

Like I'm going to trust anything from the "paleotard institute".

My experience has been that it's not good for teeth. I know the reason too. I was eating way too much meat and not getting enough vitamins, minerals, carbs etc from plants.

Healthy human diet is over 90% plants, or even better, 100% with a source of b12 fortified food.

I wasted my time listening to people who say the opposite via paleo, WAPF, Stefansson nuthuggers, etc. and I paid the price.

I used to be in the "Cure Tooth Decay" facebook group full of WAPFers too. I read their books. The group was full of people the meat-heavy diet didn't work for. I was a meat eater when I was there, and was surprised when a woman who healed her teeth said she was vegetarian with supplements, amid so many failures.

and the basica original idea of paleo is high in plant foods compared to the American diet. I read up on Cordain's old (still flawed) research. If anything, he had a phobia for whole grains which runs against science.

Internet meme paleo (50%+ meat) is retarded. WAPF is even more retard.
Long term Keto is even worse. It causes kidney stones in children

>This also highlights why the eskimo had to develop a genetic adaptation against keto.
It's a genetic adaptation indeed, however on a population that has to go through keto starting as soon as weaning from breast milk.

As infancy nutritional metabolic needs are not only higher but different from those of adults (as they need to accumulate fats for growing), it may not be the best idea to extend its effects into adult life nutritional needs. It seems that the own reporter of CPT-1A was aware of this, as he has not extended his claim.

Him not eating organ meats is all the proof you need hes a hack. Carnivores eat the organs first and the meat after. Whats his reasoning for not eating them?

Holy balanced macros and plant base:
thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(18)30135-X/fulltext
>In the meta-analysis of all cohorts (432179 participants), both low carbohydrate consumption (70%) conferred greater mortality risk than did moderate intake, which was consistent with a U-shaped association

>However, results varied by the source of macronutrients: mortality increased when carbohydrates were exchanged for animal-derived fat or protein (1·18, 1·08–1·29) and mortality decreased when the substitutions were plant-based (0·82, 0·78–0·87).

kidney stone risk on a ketogenic diet:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12366731
>Since 1996, 301 children have been started on the ketogenic diet at our institution. A retrospective cohort study of renal calculi in ketogenic diet patients was performed to evaluate the increased risk with combined use of a carbonic anhydrase inhibitor.
>RESULTS:
>In 15 (6.7%) of 221 children on the ketogenic diet without the use of carbonic anhydrase inhibitors, stones developed. In five (6.3%) of the 80 children on the diet in combination with topiramate or zonisamide, stones developed.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17621514
>A cohort study was performed of children started on the ketogenic diet for intractable epilepsy from 2000 to 2005 (n = 195). Children who developed kidney stones were compared with those without in terms of demographics, urine laboratory markers, and intervention with urine alkalinization (potassium citrate). Thirteen children (6.7%) developed kidney stones.

I ate organ meats and a low intake of vegetables. Still wasn't optimal health.
First with chicken livers, later started eating beef liver, and even tired beef heart stews and cooked thymus glands.

>Like I'm going to trust anything from the "paleotard institute".
You don't need to. Plenty of journals have trusted, all peer reviewed, none focused on paleo whatever.

Besides that, I'm skeptic on much of WAPF as well.

As it goes to show on your post, many people may be not able to sustain a meat heavy diet. This clearly does not extends for every one, though, as many thrive on it, and it has been showed so in many studies, besides paleomedicina and you probably know some of those studies already.

Imo, there's no single way about it, as there are asian reports of people thriving on vegetarian diets as well (Lure Hsu, Annette Larkins etc etc). Not many westerners, not many actual studies on that though (whether they're eating raw, fermented, which vegetables are used as staples etc), none to the same strictness as fat of the land study afaik.

For time being, the only thing that is settled is that children generally do better on carbs + meat, as the Germany guidelines suggests.

discord.gg/TUmjAWP

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The guidelines of several countries state that a "well planned vegetarian/vegan diet" is safe for "all stages of the life cycle".

The people harming their kids, are usually on extreme diets like durianrider's 100% raw bullshit or Jordan Peterson carnivorism.

I do an occasional cronometer entry to make sure my macros and micros are godly.

he's based

Most of them do not rely on research though, but UN/WHO orientation, based on american metanalysis most.

Taking a look at history of guidelines, it took a sharp turn into high carbs/vegetarian diets after now infamous intentional manipulation of metanalysis by paid by sugar industry in the 2nd half of 20th century:
> nytimes.com/2016/09/13/well/eat/how-the-sugar-industry-shifted-blame-to-fat.html

Germany is actually one of the few, if there's any other, to take medicine studies to the same degree as USA, in general, and, regarding nutrition, it takes it further.

As far as ADA goes, it was founded by vegetarian Adventists for propaganda of vegetarian diets (Ellen G White, Lenna F Cooper). Most of pro-vegan studies usually rely on epidemio and not many clinical studies have been conducted to actually investigate the matter.

God damn he's handsome

You will never see a single nation on earth state that a vegan diet is healthy for a pregnant mother, nursing mother, infant or young child.
Not ever.

As for "well planned vegetarian" diet?
It's just a typcial omnivore diet with less meat.
That's all.

It has no positives over any other diet beyond it being a planned healthy meal. Which an omnivore diet with any amount of meat or veg can be.

It's a massive con pushed by people who hate people and just want money to line their pockets, power, or get some kind of sick fucked up emotional boost of it.

>it took a sharp turn into high carbs/vegetarian diets

You mean what normal people ate until factory farms.

Ancel Keyes' data held strong against all opposition for decades. I had this argument with a medical student who was trying to lose weight with every flavor of carnist diet for years (yo-yo dieting). He eventually went through they keystone research himself and admitted I was wrong, but he was still mad at me.

It gets painful having to explaining cholesterol molecules for the 500th time.

youtube.com/watch?v=unH-AEDKV8s

>You will never see a single nation on earth state that a vegan diet is healthy for a pregnant mother, nursing mother, infant or young child.
>Not ever.

Oh reaaaally?

Here's just a start
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704
>It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12778049
>It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases

Of course it did.
There was a multi billion trillion dollar industry based on his fraud.
Hell, statin drug creators alone helped push the cholesterol is bad sugar is good thing to help keep profits up for their drugs.

There is not a single bit of evidence stating that cholesterol causes heart disease and even the american heart association has dropped the association. As a matter of fact, low cholesterol is a predicter of all causes of mortality.
Which scares the shit out of me because my cholesterol is low as fuck.

Since when did Scooby have hair?

I've seen the little infographics for old dietary guidelines and also read Dr. Weston A. Price's actual book (waaaay better than the bullshit the "foundation" pushes).

Doctors were already recommending whole grains in the diet before Ancel Keys found out that eating sticks of butter is bad for your heart. Weston Price replaced white bread with whole wheat and recommended people eat more lentils for minerals.

What paleotards call "high carb" is just normal.

1."apropriately planned vegetarian diet" for the groups I mention is just an omnivore diet with less meat. That's all.
A HEALTHY well rounded omnivore diet is healthy no matter what. Meaning that the choice to eat less meat is just a personal preference.

2.Vegan being tacked onto the end of a single sentence does not mean that the entire damned study is about vegans. It's an "oh yeah I guess eating only vegetables can be good too since it's kinda like vegetarinism".

3.Studies can be made to say anything. Show us real world positive results of vegan only diets and vegan children and infants. I doubt you'll have many good things to post beyond a few annecdotes.

I can't find anything stating that whole wheat bread is actually healthy.
If you think about it, it's worse then just skipping wheat and bread altogether. If you don't need the calories to live that is.

>There is not a single bit of evidence stating that cholesterol causes heart disease and even the american heart association has dropped the association.

>the american heart association

Eh?

heart.org/en/health-topics/cholesterol/about-cholesterol
"Control Your Cholesterol"
>Cholesterol can join with other substances to form a thick, hard deposit on the inside of the arteries. This can narrow the arteries and make them less flexible – a condition known as atherosclerosis. If a blood clot forms and blocks one of these narrowed arteries, a heart attack or stroke can result.

heart.org/en/health-topics/cholesterol/prevention-and-treatment-of-high-cholesterol-hyperlipidemia
>From a dietary standpoint, the best way to lower your cholesterol is reduce saturated fat and trans fat. The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fat to 5 to 6 percent of daily calories and minimizing the amount of trans fat you eat.

>Reducing these fats means limiting your intake of red meat and dairy products made with whole milk. (Choosing skim milk, low-fat or fat-free dairy products instead.) It also means limiting fried food and cooking with healthy oils, such as vegetable oil.

Become a rabbit and stop eating so much cholesterol/oil/shit already

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this guy's intelligence is negatively proportional to his ugliness.

medicalxpress.com/news/2018-10-ldl-cholesterol-heart-disease.html

Sorry, I forgot.
The AHA is owned by big pharma and are actually trying to talk people into getting two year olds on cholesterol lowering drugs and everyone else on statins.
WHILE ignoring the problems with the typical first world diet.

>Studies can be made to say anything.
Yeah, if you're like...well, yourself, and have no standards. Meanwhile I haven't found anyone who could refute the research of Esselstyn and Ornish.

Linking an editorial article with "scientists say..."? That's cute. How long did it take you to google it?

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>Esselstyn
user, if their research boils down to "Eat less, eat less often, and whole healthy foods" as some kind of fucking miracle cure...
Then you're a fucking coon.

And you've also namedropped to nobodies who claim to be the first people on the earth who figured out that eating the typical first world diet is bad and to fix the problems associated with that diet you should not eat that type of diet and also become more active.

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The Inuit die young and are unhealthy as fuck. Their diet is so bad, they live longer when they switch to the standard Western diet

lmao at that dude's gyno
now the low test makes sense

Okay, explain the Amish.
They eat full fat everything every day.
No heart disease and they live long healthy lives.

I need a white girl to suck my dick.

Majority of malnutrition cases are attributed to omnivorous diets. Any diet type can be unhealthy. You are a brainlet.

how come these diet advocates (either meat-only eaters, or vegans) are so god damn deranged and violent? It's literally just calorie choices that they're freaking out about. Imagine a group of people that eat only skittles getting violent and attacking people that only eat Twix bars.

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> 300 IQ
The argument is not that there are cases of malnutrition amongst vegan dieters. Vegan diet itself is considered a form of malnutrition for children.

Esselstyn and Ornish results with heart patients are insane compared to more moderate interventions. Just eating less can't explain it.

First result:
rnojournal.binghamton.edu/index.php/RNO/article/view/44
>The overall CVD prevalence was higher among Amish men (n = 105) and women (n = 95) compared to white men and women (38.1% and 44.2% vs. 37.2% and 35%, respectively). Regarding CVD risk factors, there was a higher prevalence of hyperlipidemia when compared to AHA prevalence rates (22.9% and 24.2% vs. 16.1% and 18.2%) but a lower prevalence of Type II diabetes mellitus (4.8% and 5.3% vs. 6.7% and 6.0%) and smoking (9.5% and 2.1% vs. 24% and 20%). Obesity was prevalent with 73.7% of males (n = 19) and 100% (n = 11) of women were overweight or obese. An additional finding was the high prevalence of depression in both Amish genders compared to rural Americans (19.0% and 22.1% vs. 6.1% both genders) and anxiety (11.4% and 14.7% vs.3.6% and 6.6%). The Amish use a wide variety of vitamins and herbal remedies along with prescription medications to prevent and treat CVD.

They eat plants and meat. A balanced non processed food diet. Not some extreme meme diet like vegans and carnivores

inuits are literally the shortest hunter gatherer tribe besides the fucking african pygmies, inuits also have incredibly weak bones despite eating a fuckton of protein, they also eat more protein than fat on average from their meat based diet, and they aren't even carnivore since they eat berries and algae traditionally.
inuits also have specific genetic mutations that help them adapt to their extreme diet, they are not representative of the average human, for example inuits are incapable of reaching ketosis unless they are starving, and their protein requirements are much higher than those of the average person, because they need the glucose from the protein they eat, just like dogs do.

the average amish adult eats like 2000 calories though, same thing with the adventists, except adventists live longer and their diet has been fairly well analysed

>AHA is owned by big pharma
>AHA also provides dietary recommendations that make cholesterol lowering medication useless

what's the problem?

stop being so dishonest, those cholesterol lowering drugs are literally made for people with severely abnormal cholesterol levels even at a young age.
Do you know what fucking happens to a child with 400mg/dl of LDL-C? Death at 20-30y of age is normal for such anomalies, and those are impossible to control with dietary chances, it's either drugs that have side effects or fucking death.

more like a group of people that eat only chocolate candy and another group that doesn't

Your diet choice has a very heavy impact not only on your health, but the planet as well as animals and their well-being.

Not that user but statins had been recommended for anyone above 200mg/dl, which poses lower risk of harmful outcomes than statins itself poses (due to neurodegenerative sides), in a preventive manner. Only recently the guidelines changed.

*130 mg/dl Ldl, not 200

They litteraly just repackaged "eat less, eat less often, eat healthy whole foods, stay away from first world diet walk more" as some kind of cult of personality.

What do they do that's any different from what a health teacher would do?

By the way. How many of them died from heart disease? I'm curious.

Yeah, people who eat a balanced omnivore diet which includes full fat whole foods are healthy as fuck. Whodu thunk it.

>except adventists live longer and their diet has been fairly well analysed

That's been proven to be bullshit.
Everything about the adventists has been put in an unfavorable light because they not only have a vested interest in pushing their diet and lifestyle, all of their information is volunteered from them. No scientists or third parties actually corroborates anything they say.

They tell people to give 2 year old children cholesterol lowering drugs rather then tell people to stop eating the typical firstworld diet, eat a balanced healthy whole foods omni diet and cut back on sugars.

but they don't """"really"""" care about the planet, they care about being right and winning little drama debates online within their respective communities. If they really cared about their local society, they would be volunteering or donating money to important causes. Instead, they argue with people over what food item selection they make when they go to the store.

Imagine being a vegan cuck and trying to discredit the carnivore diet by attacking it's main advocate. If you don't like him fine but he stumbled onto a diet that works wonders for people and helped bring it to the masses, he doesn't even understand what he is promoting.

They are recommended to anyone who has a history of cardiovascular disease, genetic predisposition(family history) and or abnormally high cholesterol levels.
200mg of what? you mean LDL-C? That's a bad value to have, but no you're not given cholesterol lowering medication unless there's a real reason to do it, my father had a heart infarction and he had to start taking medication for his cholesterol, he never took any beforehand.
Statins and other drugs are not given to toddlers for no reason which is the whole point of my previous post, it's only provided when they are at an extremely high risk of early death which is a good enough reason and is 100% justified.

Veganism has a bigger impact than volunteering or donations though. It's the biggest lifestyle change you can make for the planet.

I'll make it a legal reality one day.

You're a goddamned lie.
Statins are given to fucking everyone with even slightly elevated cholesterol.
There's too goddamned much money in normalizing the use of those dangerous and destructive drugs rather then simple lifestyle changes that will help the patient be healthy or seeing that the otherwise healthy patient either needs or just has naturally elevated cholesterol.

>They tell people to give 2 year old children cholesterol lowering drugs rather then tell people to stop eating the typical firstworld diet, eat a balanced healthy whole foods omni diet and cut back on sugars.
you are fucking being dishonest, toddlers are only given cholesterol lowering drugs if they have a very high chance of dying in their early adult years from having abnormally high cholesterol levels, this is an extremely slow minority of children thankfully, but even if it wasn't it's still better than having them die before they even reach 40 regardless of what type of diet they follow.

130 mg dl, as corrected here.

you're not listening, and statins are not the only cholesterol drugs manufactured and sold and given to patients, children and toddlers that are given ANY cholesterol lowering medication are EXTREME cases, this shit has been studied plenty already, children that have abnormally high cholesterol levels even if raised on ok diets fucking DIE from CVD in their 20's or 30's or 40's.

Esselstyn and Ornish diets exclude animal products.

>What do they do that's any different from what a health teacher would do?

A teacher isn't going to strip all dairy out of your diet and limit meat to one serving a week. You should seriously go read the study. The full text is available for free online.