The final blackpill is that you do not own your life. Your success or failure is a direct result of your upbringing first, then genetics. You do not have to be genetically perfect to lead a fulfilling life, but you do need to be raised properly. Your personality, the way you act, is HARD WIRED. The way you were raised directly, physically caused your neurons to grow in a specific way. No matter how much will power you have, and how much control you think you have, you CANNOT physically alter the way your brain is constructed. Anything you try will have a small insignificant result on your personality. The best you can do is change your mindset, but that will not make an introvert an extrovert. If you are a failure, it because you were raised so, and vice versa. If your parents were losers, you were basically doomed once the sperm reached the egg.
The final blackpill is that you do not own your life...
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Your personality is 80% genetic 20% environment (parents & peers).
No that's just an excuse you use to not even try kys immediately
This is literally wrong if you knew anything about psychology, assuming you’re an individual with no severe mental illnesses, only your temperament is genetic, and while it’s true that a big part of morals and beliefs are a result of your parents teachings, these can be rejected later in life and you can make a personality of your own
I remember my first semester at baby college too.
Fuck off back to r9k
>wahh my life is shitty and theres nothing that i can do to change it everything is out of my control oh god, poor me, POOR ME, I AM COMPLETELY POWERLESS I CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE MY LIFE WAAAAH WAAAAAAH everyone feel sorry for me I have it so hard!!! why must i suffer
god you really are such a pathetic whiny faggot, do me a favor and keep this shit on Jow Forums so other incel nihilist cunts can pat you on the back and agree with your delusion. just because you aren't willing to put in the hard work and dedication to fix your shit doesn't mean the rest of us aren't, little sissy bitch. grow up
>only your temperament is genetic
And on this, proper upbringing can affect temperament as well, and coping and anger management exercises as an adult at any age can hard wire and change the physiology of your brain to react to situations differently. From stubbing your toe to losing an online game to finding out your girlfriend cheated, the way you choose to react will hard wire your brain to repeat that action when it happens again in the future, assuming that the outcome was positive.
For example, when I bang my knee or head, stub a toe, or get in fights with family, I just take a deep breath, and feel it flow out of me. I then go back to not caring about whatever it is, even if its painful, because anger will not solve it. This is a major step I am able to take in relation to my father's hotheadedness up until the past couple years, in which he's been calming down.
My point being, if you let yourself react negatively to stupid shit, you're wiring your brain to keep repeating those actions, because we as humans are repetitive creatures.
So yes, you can rewire your personality, aggression, etc. to amazing extents regardless of genetics. There is simply a genetic predisposition for certain personality traits that one can overcome. Same as there are plenty of genetic predispositions for other health issues in life that may not affect an individual because they lead an especially healthy lifestyle to avoid being exposed to them.
If you're genetically bound to be aggressive, or lazy, or whatever, you need to meditate and and look deep within, and work on mental health, in order to overcome these negative traits.
why is it when you are grateful to your parents for your good upbringing it's fine and everyone agrees they did a good job but when you blame them for shitty upbringing suddenly it's an excuse?
your personality is dependent on your environment, which is dependent on your parents
who says I don't put up hard work? I've been working out for 2 years religiously, am the only person in my family with a degree I busted my ass for and have the most money. and yet I have shitty social life as a direct result of my upbringing, I can trace everything back to how my parents raised me.
>When someone gets bonked on the head hard enough their personality changes, they can lose memories, they think about things differently
>Therefore, the personality (the person), is a product of the spatial arrangement of stuff in your skull, which gets switched around a little bit when someone bonks you
>So *you* are an entirely physical phenomenon, the product of the actual distance, connectivity, and spatial relationship between actual objects
>Side note: There is no soul. No inherent youness. Nothing lasts once the body stops working.
>This stuff interprets information from a finite amount of sensory receptors in your body + special senses like sight, sound, smell, etc.
>It picked up the pattern recognition skills to draw conclusions about surrounding world from this information in the first couple years of its existence with the help of its parents hopefully
>It experiences the world in this way, and experiences the changes in the world it brings about through outgoing actions through muscles, voice, spit, etc.
>The thing you call *you* is a system that works by reward and punishment, much more complicated then the motility of an amoeba chasing down stuff it can eat and running away from stuff that eats it because there's a lot of stuff in your skull and some of what it does is interact with the stuff in other people's skulls to accomplish goals together or fight or fuck or something
>Pretty complicated system honestly.
>So you are experiencing the input, sending out output in response, trying to accomplish goals both short term and long term relating to physical and psychological needs, coordinating with social awareness, endocrine stuff, whatever.
>This user tells me there is no free will.
cont.
>and yet I have shitty social life as a direct result of my upbringing, I can trace everything back to how my parents raised me.
stop blaming other people for your problems and take responsibility for yourself. i was called weird and made fun of in high school, people thought i would shoot up the school and people even called me creepy. i'm 24 now and have a good social life, but i prefer to stay in doors and play video games or lift by myself most of the time. training your social skills take as much effort as lifting does. you don't lift a weight for a week and get the results you want, you don't read an article online or watch a video on youtube and become an instant charismatic god. it takes practice, time and patience. it's a muscle. with the attitude you have you're never going to make a lot of friends. no one likes being around someone as pessimistic as you nor are girls going to want to date a guy that has a million and one excuses for how everyone fucked him over.
>You are the thing that hears through the ears, sees through the eyes, senses through the skin, moves the limbs and body, senses the breathing, is now manually controlling the tongue, and is also all of that stuff.
>You generate an internal dialogue which is you and also you are the thing that hears that and sometimes feels bad about stuff it says, remembers relevant and irrelevant things depending on input
>You decide things based on goals and act according to all this information
>It's chaos, but you are definitely a conscious, free-willed actor with its own means and ends.
personality is half genetic and half people you hang around with desu
>why is it when you are grateful to your parents for your good upbringing it's fine and everyone agrees they did a good job but when you blame them for shitty upbringing suddenly it's an excuse?
Because it is an excuse, anything to do with failure is directly the result of your actions. You can change your life, people with the shittiest of situations raised by the bitchiest of shitheads can still be successful and happy, simply but not letting themselves fall victim to the failures of their upbringing.
>personality dependent on your environment
See
Nature vs. nurture doesn't apply, you can change your personality yourself to a massive degree. Personality is simply the way your brain reacts to certain stimuli. How you react to any situations determines personality, and you can change how you react.
>I can trace all my failures back to my parents
Glad to see sitting on Jow Forums and bitching about your parents is doing such a good job of fixing your social life. How about going out and taking action in order to change your circumstances? Or is blaming your parents for your inability to go out and make friends easier for you to do?
Not even going to bother reading this shit.
>Fitness
Go see a therapist or a psychiatrist and get help.
You're talking but you still just sound like a whiny little piss baby making excuses for their own failure.
This has angsty teen depression written all over it.
>I've been working out for 2 years
>who says I don't put up hard work?
Me
>lays out a deterministic world view
>"but you have free will"
are you retarded?
I'm just so sick of people blaming ME when I had no control over my upbringing. You are all hypocrites. Yes I can pick up a habit and try new things, but the way I approach my actions, the way I react, etc. are all subconscious decisions I have no control over, and it is a direct result of how my brain developed during my childhood. Just because you have the ABILITY to do something doesn't mean you'll do it WELL. If human nature was so simple as you describe it, then everyone would be perfect, but it isn't so is it? The world is full of shitty people. If they really had a chance to change for the better, you think they wouldn't do it? of course they would, but something is stopping them, I wonder what it is... ah yes. The fact they are all HARD WIRED to act the way they do because of their upbringing.
All this griping about predetermined outcomes is meaningless because most of the time your assessment of what you can do and what you have is skewed.
The reason it's skewed is because you're naturally inclined towards the easier option of just giving up instead of the taking a risk and exerting effort to achieve your goals. You want to convince yourself that you're ok with less because achieving more is difficult.
Despair is a comfort in a way because it's an absolute where you believe that there's nothing you could have done anyway, thus absolving you of any responsibility for your actions or lack thereof.
Pretty simple answer for this.
>Life isn't fair
Get the fuck over yourself. Your different now. Different can be good or it can be bad. If anything I say you go see a shrink and maybe they can steer you to be better. Yeah it sucks to have to pay someone else to listen to your problems, but it is better than sitting on Jow Forums ruminating about how everything and everyone is so fucked. Waste of time and mental energy.
>I'm just so sick of people blaming ME cry cry waah wahh im a baby boy wheres mommies boob to suck on :((( i have a dgeree oana d lots of money but my life suxxxx ;_; cry cry wahha wahh
yeah i guess you're right dude better just sit on Jow Forums and bitch and moan and do literally nothing to fix your situation, that seems like the best course of action huh
This whole post is meaningless.
>You want to convince yourself that you're ok with less because achieving more is difficult.
I don't, literally what the fuck?
>absolving you of any responsibility for your actions or lack thereof.
again what the fuck? I don't blame my parents so I can feel good about myself. that's never how I felt, I actually worked hard to achieve things my parents didn't push me to achieve.
>Life isn't fair
which is exactly my point.
The real final black pill is that you could do it but won't
I'm guessing you didn't get that miata for your 16th birthday and embarrassed yourself throwing a tantrum in front of your family?
The final black pill is that death and death alone will bring you salvation
Also you can alter the neural connections in your brain and change yourself. Takes effort and outside intervention, but it is possible. It's far easier to throw your hands up in the air, complain about tfwnogf, and all the other assortment of shit on this board, but at the end of the day you could still do it.
My advice is to either eat some shrooms to temporarily slay your demons, or go see somebody.
>just fix yourself bro
If I could, I wouldn't make this thread. Sorry I don't have an amazing personality to just blitz through life.
I got my first car at 21 and I've given more money to my parents than they ever gave me
Shrooms are the closest thing I think that can change you, but they are also not perfect. I've tried them before and while they left an impact on me, it doesn't translate to the very long term.
>you CANNOT physically alter the way your brain is constructed.
Yes you can. A little every day.
Keep fighting, Anons. Ignore the OP trying to drag you down with him.
>i can't fix myself
the very fact that you posted this thread shows that at the very least you are trying, no matter how much of a small, meaningless attempt it is. really just seems to me like you don't want to put in the work to make yourself a better person beyond lifting/getting a degree/making "THE MOST" money. if you don't want to try, then that's fine, give up and resign yourself to your fate. but at least be honest enough with yourself to admit that it's your decision to go down this road and no one else other than your own. but i get it, it's easier to blame and point the finger at others
How the fuck do you expect to cultivate a decent personality when you whine and cry like a defeatist little pussy? Grow up.
>b-b-but I'm a product of my genetics/environment.
Somewhat, but you wont improve if you keep acting like a bratty little shit pig. There will always be someone in a worse situation then you who is able to rise above. Work harder or suffer.
fat fuck detected
I fucking hate people who aren't satisfied with being shit themselves, but feel the need to preach their shitty world views and try to convince other impressionable autists of them as well. Fuck off back to Jow Forums and let people get big in peace, you piece of human garbage
>he thinks the black pill is this pussy shit instead of accepting life will always be a struggle
>he hasn't realized you can learn to love the struggle
>he hasn't realized the struggle is the best tool we'll ever have to better ourselves
Debased and bluepilled.
I used to be like you. It seems like you are basing what a fulfilling life is according to the lie that's been sold to you. You don't need bitches, money, cars, wealth, power, or any of that bullshit to lead a fulfilling life. A fulfilling life is one that you decide. Choose for yourself what it is that you really want. You cant control the past, theres no going back. All you can do is decide what to do in this moment, regardless of what cards life has dealt you. Give it some time and think , you have to be realistic, you can't just choose to be 6'3 220 lbs 8%bf, 6 figure income, steady flow of hoes, etc.
But you can take steps to build yourself to become that. Maybe you'll never get any of those things, but living in each moment according to your own terms on the path to self improvement? Now that's what I consider to be a fulfilling life. Good luck friend
Oh please your kind is so transparent, despair is such a simple coping mechanism. Dismissing my post as meaningless exemplifies this cope.
>I don't want less!
Yes you do, or rather another wording I should have used is that you want it less (whatever IT happens to be for you). The fact that you're not willing to acknowledge that is not uncommon in people like you, because admitting your lack of drive may be contributing to your lack of success will bruise your ego.
>I don't blame my parents to feel better
Oh yes you do you little shit, it might not lift you out of your despair but it will at least once again protect your ego. The "knowledge" that's it's not your fault, it's all out of your hands, surely I'm not at all responsible for this state of misery, is a huge COPE.
I'm not saying finding happiness is just as easy as "b urself" but what you're doing is making an assessment of whether its a possible task, deciding based on your (subjective) assessment that the task is impossible, and then allowing yourself the absolution that because you can't do anything you won't even try.
And what ties this all together is the fact that you made this thread in the first place. How fucking stupid do you think everyone is that they can't immediately see through your attempt to drag everyone else into your bucket as a cope? You really think it's not instantly obvious that you're just trying to get external validation from anons patting you on the back and saying "yeah bro you're right, your potential for happiness is decided at birth and that's that so don't even try to pursue it because that would be hard and taxing and you're totally not a snivelling brat looking to justify his failures by dragging others down with him on a Tibetan basket weaving forum"
thats the closest thing to an answer and I always hoped it was right, but no matter what I focused on in my life I always ended up unhappy because I coul'nt have the life I wanted. thanks for the encouraging words though
I made this thread because I woke up depressed as fuck, and I low key want to change my mind but the more I think about it the more it seems like theres no way out, theres some room to wiggle but at the end you cannot escape your nature
Absolutely, completely wrong
>theres some room to wiggle
That's all you need. You don't fell an oak with one stroke.
I just told you that you are the thing that makes the decisions, why would you interpret that as deterministic.
Also it's not a worldview, it's the truth.
You sound like you should get some therapy or something.
Why do you post shit like this? I didn't even read the whole thing but I know what its all about. We get it, you've given up and think you'll never make it no matter what you do because of things outside your control. Now you're in full LDAR mode. Why do you need to post this and discourage other people to give up like you? If you want to LDAR do it yourself, there's no need to bring others down to rot with you.
How please teach me. I struggle even keeping the tears in
Materialists are cancer, the brain is like a radio antenna for the soul, it gives the soul the ability to articulate itself and grow.
Mine was pretty horrible as well. I was so lost and alone with nobody to even talk to I get sad just thinking about the shit old me had to go through. I wish I could go back in time and tell him that it'll be ok
I have the same vision of the world as you OP but like the other anons that replied to you : there is no use in complaining. Yes, who we are is determined by external factors such as upbringing and biology. You're also right that fundamentally, we can't really change who we are...However, despite all of that, the best option is to fight. Again, there is no gain in drowning in nihilism. Live your life as if there were freewill, despite the evidence to the contrary. Push the damn boulder. Be a rebel.
That's a pretty cool concept you should write a web serial about it because it's a novel idea you just pulled out of your ass and have no reason to believe other than it's comfortable aesthetically for you given your cultural background and personality.
Don't keep them in. Go cry in the shower. Let it all out. Soak in your misery.
Then you step out and never feel sorry for yourself again.
Read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius. Read the sticky if you haven't already. Read read read.
>seinfeld.co
You set yourself short term goals (i.e. increase your max to 50 pushups), medium (Get promoted/reach a basic level in a new language) and long term goals (own my own business, have a wife and kids, etc).
You give life your own meaning, user. In general, keep reading, keep working hard, keep active. Over the years it will become easier and easier.
If you have some specific questions, ask.
Crying is ok dude. Cry as much as you want, just don't do it in front of a woman or your enemies
Not OP but, I dont remember the last time I was able to cry..
2/2
Tho I do feel very emotional about shit. And already know the solution is just to open up to others but I don't think ill ever take that path despite it being the correct one. Kek.
The same could be said about materialism, my belief is from the Bible.
read
>HOW I FOUND FREEDOM IN AN UNFREE WORLD
and get over it
I was a spoiled child that turned into a Narcissistic man even tho I come from a poor family
How screwed am I?
Based. Thread.
You are looking for reasons to blame your failures upon anything but yourself. Not gonna make it
I agree with OP
I became a shut in hermit NEET at age 16, now I am 31 and nothing has changed.
I do think my parents, teachers, peers and society in general failed me.
I’m only now going in for autism testing soon because my parents what me to get on autismbux
this thread was doomed to be a total failure
>31 neet
Don't believe you user. How is it possible that your parents didn't leave you on the street?
Probably because they know it’s their fault I ended up like this? Also coupled with the fact I am from a culture (greek) that doesn’t kick family out.
Dont keep the tears in my dude. Cry at night. Cry somewhere away by yourself. Let it out. Meditate on what it is that makes you feel that emptiness. After you let out your despair use what hurts you as motivation.
I hated what I saw in the mirror. I hated how obsession with girls could hurt me emotionally. I fueled myself with that hate and changed who I was. I commited my life to improving myself out if spite. And eventually I evolved into improving myself for my own sake.
Hm. Well the only other advice I could give you then, that isn't a reductive "believe in yourself" motivational is this:
Even in a deterministic approach to correlating your initial conditions with your inevitable outcome, in order to make a correct prediction you'd have to reduce everything to quantifiable variables. Otherwise your prediction is completely subjective and invalidates the whole idea of a deterministic approach to begin with.
Can you describe the configuration of your neurons? Can you make metrics from the configuration, then measure the metrics, then generate numerical values to plug into an equation that you must also derive on your own to then end up with a number that you can interpret as another metric that describes outcome? No, no you can't, and I don't care about the data even being there, no scientist or computer program, let alone regular person like you, can generate any sort of substantive model to serve as definitive proof. Yet. Who knows where tech will be if our species survives several more millennia.
What you're left with is conjecture, and not entirely uninformed conjecture because you are correct in saying that achieving happiness is much more difficult with a poor start in life. However you don't have an concrete mathematically generated proof that irrefutably states "this little black number on a piece of paper is the maximum potential happiness you will achieve".
I can tell you definitively that you will never lift a skyscraper because I can measure your strength, the weight of the skyscraper, and various other variables that I can then plug into established equations based on robustly understood laws of physics. Nothing like that exists for happiness.
Tl;Dr you only know enough to have an educated guess as to what your potential for happiness is, not nearly enough to have the absolutism of "Its over I can't even try".
Based
So you were a NEET for 15 years and surprised that nothing has changed? What did you expect?
Yes we live in a deterministic world user, everything you do, everything you want is predetermined by genetic and environmental factors.
And what you are doing now, is a weak attempt at getting sympathy, because when we are under stress we tend to go back to childlike behaviours (playing the victim and crying like a fag to get someone to comfort you or help you out with you situation). You wont get it here.
Clearly your parents being losers don’t mean you will be a loser, otherwise people would never improve beyond their parents achievements, which happens plenty.
That aside, whilst some traits are fairly firmly set, you can certainly change how they are expressed. Take e.g. introversion vs extroversion as you said. Someone who is introverted feels exausted by social interactions, and therefore cannot handle as much of them. If there are feelings of stress, low status, awkwardness etc these will make this much worse. If such a person got in better shape, managed to find a better environment with friends that are more positive and he can connect with better, the perceived degree of introversion will go down, as he can now handle more social interactions before getting worn out. Same thing with other traits like neuroticism, you can learn better coping mechanism, ways to handle stress like exercise, meditation, learn from other people on how to control yourself, get used to more stressful situations etc.
The point is,that whilst your genes and your early childhood environment are a big influence, you can change your current environment and over time build better habits as well as improving your health, which will have a noticeable impact on your mental state as well. Right now it might not feel like that because old habits and old coping strategies die hard, but you can change yourself.
Start by improving your diet and exercise as first steps, try and figure out what you want out of life, make realistic plans and work towards those goals. Remember, you are making lifestyle changes, not short term changes here
>were
I still am, bucko
Don't even bother dude, he'll just ignore you and respond to the NEETs who are in agreement with him
My uncle is like you, but he is 60 and shit is still the same. Don’t end up like that, learn a trade, get Jow Forums and move out. You still have another 50+ years ahead, you can make them much more enjoyable than the last 31. And it doesn’t even take that long to see improvements, by the end of the year things might already look much different for you. You could be healthier and in better shape, feel better, be in education or training, have some friends and look forward to the rest of your life
Well being the 31 neet you currently are. There will be no change till you leave. The sad fucking truth most will never face and continue being the manchild they currently are. Your parents spoiled you, so now you have to throw yourself in the pit and climb back out.
That proves my point buddyboyo. You went into LDAR mode at 16 and accepted OP's philosophy at the time your life barely even started. You gave up on the race the moment it started
I already tried going to university and it failed because I can’t be around people for long as I am use to being isolated indoors and going outside makes me feel like a wild animal, I never developed any social skills and I don’t know how to act around people especially in adult environments
I’ve been lifting for 7 years now and it hasn’t changed anything about how my mindset is. I’ve probably been lifting for longer than most people on here lmao.
My NEET shutin brain has only become more and more worse despite lifting
This.
as hard as you fucking socialist cunts keep trying you can not bury the evidence. The truth does not fear investigation.
Good
First of all the world is not actually deterministic as best as we know, but I’m not stopping you from getting a Nobel prize for proving the hidden variables theory.
But anyways, the level at which you can see the brain as being deterministic (neurons and electric pulses) is not the same as the level on which the brain operates (thoughts and emotions), which are emergent properties or functions of the brain. It therefore does not make sense to say that it is useless to do away with the concept of free will, as on the level at which our brains operate these microscopic underlying processes are not knowable, nor even possible to model or understand currently. For all intents and purposes you have free will and the future of the world is not set in stone.
Not saying you are completely wrong, just that this is not a line of thinking that really works when giving advice on how to act and think
Yeah probably, but I’ve got nothing better to do tonight, and if I can possibly help someone why not
That's how you develop your social skills you simpleton. When you don't know how to socialize with people you go around them and learn. Its supposed to be uncomfortable.
The same could not be said about materialism.
if souls are real why do people's personalities change when they get brain damage?
It’s more like 50-50, or people like you wouldn’t be so easy to turn into noxious little shits.
Maybe try something that takes a bit less skill socially? There are plenty of jobs where you have less social interactions. Maybe a psychologist could also help, although I wouldn’t expect too much from that.
E.g. many trades and jobs in the countryside might be a better choice than a university and packed office spaces with complicated social interactions. Maybe also have a look at which jobs are usually best for people with autism, others have probably had similar problems to you in the past, and seeing how some of them worked around that may be helpful
I just call it being a realist
At 16 I saw no point in bothering with the outside world because I never meshed well with it and saw no potentional benefits for me to bother existing in it.
So how at 16 did I already come to that conclusion? I am very logical in my thinking, I don’t apply emotion to anything, it’s why I vote right wing despite being on NEETbux. My autistic levels of logic dedicate my action, not emotional needs or wants. If I thought with emotion I would be voting leftist parties and i would probably be a hippy.
I don’t go out into the real world because being around normal people only brings me pain and trouble for 0 benefit. It is only logical that I would avoid pain and trouble when it brings me no benefit. I don’t get friends, I don’t get pussy, why would I care to exist in said society when I can just be a NEET shutin and get paid? You know it would be 100% emotion based if I put myself through living in the normie realm for the sake of it just so I can tell myself “at least I’m not a welfare leech haha”. See, I’ll vote right wing and against myself, but so long as the leftist NEETbux is there I will take it.
The way I see it, if a right wing party wins and all welfare is cut that is basically the worlds way of LOGICALLY deleting me, and I’m okay with that.
Stop being such a faggot user, just take the bitter asshole pill, it will help you to be in control over your life (and to get revenge on people of course).
Quality post user
I have been seeing a clinical psychologist for the last 2 years, my parents made me go so I can get evidence for autismbux.
I have been passed along many different psychologists as most said they don’t have the experience to deal with someone like me who has been a shutin their entire adult life starting from teenager years
Only recently did the one I’m seeing recommend I get autism testing done so I can apply for autismbux.
These psychologists and government people seem more concerned about the fact my parents have been paying for me to exist all these years and they want me on a fixed income to take the burden off my parents.
I question this a lot. If its justifiable to get revenge. Even tho its not right.
this is pseudointellectualism
you can make a solid argument for the nonexistence of "free will" in the sense that a construct with perfect knowledge of the universe would be able to perfectly predict your every action in any situation
however, there's nothing to indicate that "perfect knowledge" is possible, least of all for you. convincing yourself of your own helplessness is a waste of time
imagine being this fucking stupid
Thanks for the answer guys. But I ve been crying like a bitch some night for a the past month or something and I have had no improvement.
Worse all came crushing down, I think I now have a full blown depression.
To make a long story short I always have been a fake normies. I look like one, i can surely act like one (I can fake out in any crowds ) but I m not one.
I despise almost every people I partake in and I just fake my way in because I still crave peers validation.
The things is I dont really believe there is a crowd for me I ve tried mingling in different groups but I end up finding them all as despicable as the other.
They all want to be on top of their little group and despise other group of people just to validate their identity.
I ve tried being a neet shut in living off videogame, bing watching, weed and porn but I end up craving for human interaction.
As soon as i get that I dont want it any longer.
I think I wanted love but I m not sure it exist and by now I m too much blackpill to ever trust I could find a woman that likes me.
I dont want to fake and makes pretend anymore.
I used to be happy to stay in the shadow of normies working on myself keeping enough social interaction to stay sane then I met a QT that got me hyped up on life again.
Made me trust again in the big lie that is human life.
Unfortunatly she didnt like me or I failed to stay in character enough for her to fall for me but now she is gone. At first I felt ok and tought that she made me improve myself and I had other girls in view
But melancholy crept in and it made lose interest in everything.
Sorry for the blogpost
You didn’t make that decision logically at 16, you made it because you did not WANT to keep trying or try in the first place, and you FELT like you would be better of taking it easy (this cope for your FEAR of social interactions and embarrassment, possibly fuelled by early childhood bullying). The logical part was the attempt at rationalising these decision, yet the actual decision was not a result of logic, it was a result of emotion and toxic coping strategies you learned when you were young. Even now it is not logical to not try and improve your life, you are obviously miserable and it is perfectly reasonable to assume that there are steps that you can take to improve that. You might even want to, but you are just comfortable enough right now, just afraid enough of embarassment and just used enough to coping by blaming external factors that you are not accepting thuis logical conclusion, ot not acting on it
In fact, perfect knowledge is explicitly excluded from the universe because of things like Uncertainty and Entropy.
Are there people that do actually have experience with people like you? I feel like a change of environment may also be very helpful in getting you to change, as familiar environments lend themselves to familiar behaviours. Maybe something drastic like going out intot he woods and learning how to fell trees by trade or some shit like that may actually be a good idea. Not like you’re gonna do anything better with your time anyways
Morals, hope, love, respect, all of these are just man-made bullshit. I am not saying that, you should go Elliot or some shit, just be the fucking ONE in your life. You owe nothing to people, learn how do people work, and use them for your very own benefit. You are second to no one user, get balls and show these animals who is the real human. I wish you good luck and a successful life.
I've been there bro. Your main struggle is the same as mine. Keeping your spirits up.
Some things I solved, some things I didn't, but I can confidently say I'm glad I tried because my life is literally unfathomably good compared to 10 years ago.
That fact the a phenomenon isn't humanly predictable doesn't imply that itsn't deterministic.
Why do you feel the need to put on a normie character?
I’m the life long shutin NEET btw.
Anytime I have been around normies I am my real self, and it causes them to lash out at me, or ostracise me, or just ignore me, which is why being a shut in NEET is a better life for me. It’s either exist at home in my world, or go into the normie world and be constantly forced and pushed into becoming someone else.
Honestly the only way it’s possible for people to even exist in the normie world is to be born rich or become rich. Normies value money over all, so if you have immense wealth they will not ignore or ostracise you based on your real self because the normie sees your immense wealth as you being above them in status therefore your odd or eccentric personality is now considered okay.
haha just be yourself bro works for me
Do you think normies aren't wearing a mask when they interact with others? You have autism so don't feel too bad about it, but everyone puts on a show.
I know how hard it is to find people you like, and part of it is definitely luck. But another part to it is trying to be positive and trying to spread good vibes, not hiding yourself more than necessary etc. It really is “just b urself” advice but if you just put out a fake persona all the time and just try to indiscriminately find friends that won’t work. Try and really sort out by character, and don’t try and grow relationships too quickly, that will not go well. A change of environment can also do wonders, maybe there really just aren’t any people you would want to be friends with around right now
That’s right, but read link related for a bit of an explanation on why reality is not deterministic as best as we can tell
en.m.wikipedia.org
So you’re basically saying what I said
It’s the fault of my parents, teachers, peers and society in general.
A life long NEET doesn’t just come out of nowhere. If my experiences with society and the people around me were different I would have ended up at least functional in some way.
You can be yourself to a fair extent actually, so long as you censor the most offensive parts and develop your social skills a bit. All it costs you ist a bit of edgyness, but not your overall character (which will probably improve a lot with time anyways)