How many years of lifting are considered "acceptable" to turn down your Natty Card?

How many years of lifting are considered "acceptable" to turn down your Natty Card?
I'm sure you won't die if you low dose cruising and not injecting UGL steroids

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Even if I wish to turn it down, I've found very difficult to get juice in Argentina.
5 years and still natty here.

infinity, roids are for dumbasses

COPE

You can get further with small doses of steroids alone than you can get with weight training.

If under 30, lift natty for atleast 4 years and only use test cycles when you do. If over 30, start asap. If under 25, don’t use.

Dat double chin

Not that I'm anywhere close to it but I believe it's only OK to hop on gear once you've been lifting for a decade and have, beyond a shadow of a doubt, maxed out your natural potential
>35
>juicy from lifting regularly since 20ish yrs old
>lifts barely ever progress
>muscle mass won't grow anymore
>T only starting to decline at this age
For sure, do some research and go for it
>25
>looking better than you ever have from the past 3 years of training
>start becoming obsessed with getting bigger no matter what
Have patience. You are not ready

Personally I think that taking steroids purely for recreational purposes is retarded and not worth it. I'll consider taking steroids when I'm like 40 or older, already have kids, and even then I'd only take lower TRT doses just to remain on the higher end of normal to make up for testosterone dropping with age, rather than going for supratherapeutic levels. And that wouldn't be so much for muscle development in and of itself, but simply to retain youthful vigor as much as possible.

19 started since 17 I think it's an appropriate to start pinning is what you posted
Also does /FRAUD/ take any meme natyu supplements like protein,creatine, bcaas and pre workouts?

too soon

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Wrong, steroids without weight training have bitch tits and look fucked up

This dude knows what's up

Can't you get TRT at least?

I'd say after you max out your beginner gains and stall frequently on weekly progression programs.

I'm 42, divorced, not planning to have kids, finally getting my shit together, started lifting at 40. Have 250ng/dl test. Waiting doctor's green light for test e to cruise at 1000ng/dl.

Wrong. Google and read the studies. Take your AIs if you’re getting sides.

I thought the "evil side effects" are due to the testosterone excess is converted to estrogen, which often happens, but not all the time/everybody. You'll need frequent hormonal check to confirm.
If that's the case, then the AI could help mitigate that until reaching a new balance.

Is that his corpse?

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You realize that you can be on testosterone, and have your natural production completely shut off, but take HCG and you can still father children ... while on steroids, right?

Never said otherwise. The point I'm making is that it's something I'm not going to fuck with until middle age, and only to counteract andropause.

The amount of years lifting is irrelevant. What is relevant is the amount of years you have been alive and the levels of your testosterone before you start messing with that stuff. IMO as a life long natty there is not point. The drug game is only for the elite of the elite or the mentally ill who need to find other ways to heal the void in their lives.

>The drug game is only for the elite of the elite or the mentally ill who need to find other ways to heal the void in their lives

Guess where I belong...

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you morons should stop "read the studies" because you are hopeless at interpreting scientific literature. Thats why every dickhead thinks steroids can build muscle without resistance training based on two studies despite decades of scientific and medical consensus that anabolic steroids are only effective at building muscle mass in normal men, if they are engaging in resistance training of one form or another.

the two widely circulated studies measured LEAN BODY MASS. Morons have widely interpreted this as a metric for "muscle tissue" when in fact it is far from just that. LBM also includes fluid. Well one of the most prominent, rapid and unavoidable side effects of ANY androgen treatment, is weight gain from OEDEMA. This is especially true with testosterone treatment. Key word here is unavoidable - this is not preventable with AIs as so many forum educated morons suggest. This is because of the androgen's effects on the RAAS and increased storage of glycogen in the muscle.

This is also why weight gain is at the most rapid in the initial weeks of any steroid cycle despite the drugs having not yet reached their peak concentrations in the blood, and not having had much time to affect positive change in protein synthesis and other properties. Contrary to what steroid users commonly tell themselves, most of the weight gain in the first 4 weeks is fluid - even with the so called "dry" steroids.

Oedema can EASILY account for 10-20lbs of weight gain. This bodily process, it might interest, is actually what is often the culprit of surprise weight gain from various drugs,it is not fatty tissue unless the person is also dramatically increasing food intake

Unlike Internet Lords Of The Universe who know everything from google, I have actually used steroids without training for a period of about 6 months. As a result of this practice, i only ended up gaining fat and losing some size as would be inevitable with or without drugs due to deconditioning.

Who the fuck spells edema with an O? You talk like a fag and your shits all retarded

Literally everyone outside of retardland (america)

Sounds gay. You gay, gay boy?