Would it be bad form on my part to juice for a couple of months (or maybe half a year max) to get a better starting point for actually working out as a natty? I'm sick of trying to start and then barely being able to actually accomplish anything compared to even the most out of shape/lardass people I know. I don't really like the idea of using steroids, and definitely not as a long-term thing, but I just feel so far behind the curve that I'll never even make normie stronk status.
t. Neverlifted skinnyfat weakling soilad who probably lacks in test but hasn't ever been checked.
6'1", 170lbs
I can do zero pullups, maybe four chinups at a time, four-five pushups at a time, 35 or so squats per burst, and I haven't ever timed myself running but I can promise I am both slow to move and fast to run out of steam. Not to mention my joints hurt for days after.
You can't do a pull up, but you can do four chinups?
Matthew Mitchell
Even if you're behind current lifters, you're ahead of 90% of people if you start working out consistently now. If you can't make gains off juice, you're not gonna make gains on juice either.
Owen Davis
Go to your doctor and check your blood. You can find out if you have low test officially. Do that before making any decision like this. And you want to make a certain amount of progress naturally before juicing you fucking idiot. You don't fucking juice to get to a starting point, that's retarded and will just result in injury.
You need to build the discipline, form, and skeletal strength from lifting naturally first. If you can't fucking lift with results for a year or two then you shouldn't even think about cheating with substances.
You're some special kind of retard.
Asher Long
If my terminology is backwards, sorry.
Palms out: Can barely get my feet off the ground.
Palms in: I can do a few.
Nathaniel Hernandez
You should try eating.
Josiah Howard
>If you can't fucking lift with results for a year or two then you shouldn't even think about cheating with substances.
If it's that bad should I just kms?
Wyatt Mitchell
You need to at least do it naturally for a year before juice, retards will tell you to reach your natural limit or whatever but thats bullshit. Just eat and lift well now learn what you need and in a years time you will have a decent starting point to blast off from. also stop being a depressing cunt and get in the right head space.
Not necessarily. You probably are just doing meme lifts and you have no real program and you're not actually dedicated to going regularly and pushing yourself properly.
It's also possible that you are legitimately low test. If that's the case, your doctor can help you out. But you need to get the blood tests done, and you need to fucking do a real program and go every week and actually try.
Hell, I'll even bet you don't even try to lift heavy. You just put something on that you can manage and you just get tired and stop. You're probably not really pushing yourself because you don't fucking know how to lift.
Isaiah Parker
Remember that you only keep about 20% of your gains after you stop juicing. You will produce less testosterone naturally for a very long time. You also get addicted to it. And if you don't know your shit then You can get serious consequences.
And besides steroids are iligal anyway so you will not be able to use them. And why use steroids the first year of training anyways you will explode in size the first year if you train correctly. I got 10cm long stretch marks in my first year of training.
