With perfect diet, routine, genetics, and willpower...

With perfect diet, routine, genetics, and willpower, is it possible for someone to be as strong as Larry Wheels without taking steroids? He's admitted to juicing, but could someone get to his level without doing so?

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No, not even close

but ray williams is drug tested and has a higher total than larry weels, even without knee wraps

>he thinks IPF is natty
Kys

sorry where did I say he was natty
And how should we believe someone is natty? Because they say so? Drug testing, flawed as it is, is the best we've got.

Wouldn't matter if, theoretically, someone legit reached larry's strength without steroids but wasn't drug tested, and ray used drugs but passed the tests, because there's still more reason to believe someone who is drug tested is more likely to be drug free than someone who is not drug tested at all.

Absolutely the fuck not
Sorry user

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maybe like 1 in a billion people.

His absolute records are a 810 lbs squat, 610 lbs bench press, and 855 lbs deadlift.

If you got half that, literally half that weight as a natty, I'd be extremely impressed. Because that would be the lifetime upper limit for most nattys that you'll find in a typical commercial gym.

I believe its possible but youd be like 35 with ~20 years training and thats just not as cool as being 24yo Larry. Although hes been working out for over 10 yrs too

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Yep. Unless you're naturally 6'4 and 230lbs, pulling that weight is impressive for most natty lifters. Anyone that lifts higher likely lifted since high school and stuck with it for many years.

Hahahahaha.

He squatted 900 recently. I would say the realistic goals for a lifetime natty with AVERAGE genetics without going full bloatmaxxx mode are somewhere around 330 bench, 440 squat, and a 550lbs deadlift, which is pretty respecable.

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If you take steroid for a period, then you stop you'll not become natty even if your blood comes clean from testing. Muscle memory will still get you way stronger than you were natty

my best deadlift is 440lbs but i cant even bench 220 or squat 315

Technically "perfect genetics" could mean natural test so high you're juicing without juicing, but I don't think there's any recorded case of such a mutation.

Well, we know that men had a lot more testosterone back in the day. For example in the 50s men had 50% more testosterone than men do now. It wouldn't be a stretch that medieval men had 100% more test than modern men. However, nobody could ever produce as much as Larry is pinning. And that's without factoring all the other drugs he uses.

I would say those values are theoretically possible natty. If you look for instance at Herman Görner, a strongman in the pre-steroid era, he was already deadlifting 380kg (830lbs) at 1.83m 120kg (6' 270lbs). He also clean & pressed 177.5kg (391lbs) and actually still holds the Guiness World Record for the one handed deadlift at 301kg (664lbs)
Take someone with his genetics or even better, but at 6'6 350lbs or so, and a total higher than Larrys would maybe be possible

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Bad form.

You idiots that want to be as strong as larry should eat cum.
He's in the 0.0001% and you will NEVER be like him.
You can use Larry as an inspiration to strive for YOUR goals.

I swear some of you guys are fucking sad.

>without taking steroids
You couldn't get as big as him with the steroids.

This virgin.
>I’m mad at the world so I don’t set goals
Kys plz

Don’t forget disorders that up your test.

My dad has a disorder where his body barely produces cortisol so his test is through the roof.

He could have been a competition level B.B. all natty

Going by that logic if Larry was 6'6 and 350 he'd be even stronger than your theoretical lifter. Roiders will always have an advantage over natties.

>I set Larry Wheels numbers as my goals

Please die you fucking zoomer. Or better yet, If you are somewhere in the Houston are let's meet up and I'll do it for you.

But he's right. Larry is so genetically gifted and roided up that it's absurd to think you can reach his stats.

At the gym his squat and deadlift are both at 900lbs. Competition is different.

Top genetics would probably be able to squat/deadlift in the 600-700 range and bench ~400 if they trained for long enough. It's unlikely they'd be able to do it below 10% bodyfat, but still possible

I bet your bench is shit

Not only are Larry's genetics insane for lifting, they're also clearly extremely responsive to roids, which is the full package. he's a fucking monster and few people can come close

This. He has a better body than most bodybuilders and he has insane strength to boot.

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Yeah that or growth hormone can matter. Most importantly you need extremely thick bones to be able to pack on a lot of muscle and great attachment points for strength
I agree with everything you said, but we were talking about whether it was possible to be stronger than Larry Wheels natty, and I argues that with the right genetics AND the advantage of size its probably possible.
Obviously noone will outlift Brian Shaw, Eddie Hall, Hafthor etc natty, because they have the size, the genetics and the roids going for them

True but don't forget that Larry is doing this at low bf%. Could a natty Eddie Hall pull that kind of weight at 10%? Very doubtful.

Maybe, consider that old time strongmen were not that fat either. But anyways, that is an extra factor either way, we just want the natty to get stronger
Not sure for someone who is natural it even makes sense to have that much bodyfat, it will mess with his hormones much more than for someone who is on roids

That's a load of shit. I've gotten those numbers while natty and that was common at my gym. Bench would have to be in 400's Squat 600-700 DL Similar to squat

This guy is literally BTFO’ing all of the redditors that say to wait until 25 before juicing. SEETHING

Your understatement of statistics and average values is laughable.

>This guy is literally BTFO’ing all of the redditors that say to wait until 25 before juicing. SEETHING
He still has 2 years to go, m8.

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No. You need the juice to be even half as strong as his PRs. Even with everything that you mentioned.

>the average person has was it takes to bench 400 naturally
Ok, anonymous retard.

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lol you haven't benched 400+ pounds you fucking pussy?

i literally did that for 5 before bed last night in my home gym.

>wait until 25 before juicing
Ah the sabotage

Post body.
You won't.

Kek jesus christ user. Mildly above average numbers.
that’s not op’s question though user.

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my squat is 220kg, bench 155kg and deadlift 200 x 3 so I I guess thankyou for being impressed

And yet nobody has posted a video proofing they lift these numbers....lel.

It’s true, 4pl8 bench is possible natty. At least as a 1rm. I know a few nattys that can, they’ve just been training for ages.

My greatest lift was 315 on military press.I weighed 275 and was lifting at that point 8 years I didnt look bad but I still had chunk

yeah sure, just find someone who has like 12 extra copies of each gene responsible for strength

What effect does cortisol deficiency have on him? Does he never get mad or what?

>actually waiting until 25 to roid
>he fell for cuckit memes
The number keeps going up btw

>The number keeps going up btw
What age did they say before?

Higher bf% means more naturally produced IGF-1.

No. If it looks too good to be true it generally is. There's genetic freaks sometimes, but I think that if you've gone to the gym 3+ years you'll know what is and isn't likely or what is or isn't healthy.

Bad skin, balding, 3d delts, etc. All tell tale signs. Choose 2 of 3 dawg:
>Shredded
>Big
>Strong
You only get 2. If you choose 3 its a jack of all trades master of none trade off.

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Most gym goers aren't powerlifting, so yes those would be impressive for a non powerlifting natty.

>drug tested
Haha, suure, so pic related is natty as well.

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>there's still more reason to believe someone who is drug tested is more likely to be drug free than someone who is not drug tested at all
Stop bullshitting, you stupid fucking nigger.
We all know he's on a big fucking stack of roids, just like we know Klokov was and still is.
Also
>being stronger than Larry fucking Wheels
>not on roids
You're out of your fucking mind, you dyel.

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Awhhh that’s so sweet, maybe if you become a specialist at one of the movements you’ll have a chance