People always say you should train arms with high reps and moderate weight in order to grow them, but the group of men with the biggest arms in the world relative to their bodies is armwrestlers, even more so than bodybuilders. They always have the freakiest arms.
Thing is, armwrestlers only do exercises with ridiculously big weights, little range of motion and a lot of static strength. So which one is true?
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armwrestlers use high reps for pump and recovery work too.
I'm an arm wrestler. Arm wrestling practices last for hours, there's a huge amount of volume done.
They train their arms all the time, fucktard, while blasting some serious roids.
They do both insane weights AND high reps. They try to train all possible muscles in their arms that may impact their performance.
You don't have the time, the recovery, the passion nor the roids for that.
Go and try curling for sets of 5. It's not impossible but, inherent to any single-joint movement, the bar must travel in an arc which makes low-reps-high-weight training very difficult with proper form.
Are you retarded? Devon only has 17 inch arms at 6'5", which is not big by any means, definately not for the amount of work he puts into his biceps. So, yeah, not "the biggest arms relative to body size", you moron.
Watch Laratt's training video with Juji, he flat out says he hasn't done a full range of motion curl in years, in fact he can't even physically do one since his arms are forever bent.
Literally 0 IQ. Let's deconstruct this step by step.
>What does "relative to body size" mean?
Armwrestlers generally only have their arms well developed, they don't have big chests, backs, traps, or any other bodybuilding show muscle. Even then, they look freaky and a lot of the times very big, being almost all arm. So they do have the biggest arms in any sport, relative to the rest of the body.
>17 inch arms
With no triceps. He admits to never training triceps and his triceps are so tiny they don't even show when he flexes. So yes, his biceps and forearms are absolutely enormous by themselves.
In short: neck yourself.
So, he doesn't train put any emphasis on chest, back, trap or "any other bodybuilding show muscle" but puts all his emphasis on the bicep and forearm. And yet he still has a small bicep in comparison to the rest of his body. Despite putting almost 100% of his energy into a small region in his upper body.
You're a complete and utter faggot. The fact that you watch jujimufu shows that you should maybe take this conversation to reddit, I think it will suit you better.
You're right, his biceps are pretty small. You should now post a picture of yours, which I bet are at least twice the size. Go ahead.
My biceps are 17 inches as well. At 6 foot. At intermediate level.
His are 17 inches. At 6 foot 5. At world class level.
Just admit that your theory was competely wrong and that armwrestlers do not have the biggest arms relative to body size, despite training arms exclusively. You're just making yourself look more stupid the more you post.
Sorry, I see no picture in your post. I cannot continue this conversation. Will wait.
Faggot.
I never mentioned regular curls.
I said that they train all the arm muscles they can.
Which for a regular person translates to neglecting most other forms of training because the arm training itself
-takes too much time out of a training schedule
-fucks with arm recovery, which by proxy fucks with pull/push for torso
Now, I'm not saying that you can't incorporate some forms of arm training that arm wrestlers do. But doing it full time like them or concentrating on it will mean that you'll develop the same imbalances as them.
>his biceps are pretty small
Yes.
>his biceps and forearms are absolutely enormous
No.
oohhh, he's got you now!
>jujimufu
Underage faggot
Blatant samefag.
What wrong with jujimufu?
Post body.
achievable natty?
If you can't see what's wrong, then there's something wrong with you as well.
Sure, just grow up near a nuclear reactor.
not him but mine are 17" cold at 5-11
you have some mass on your triceps. The arm wrestler doesn't
let's be honest here, my triceps aren't that big, and devon's triceps are not that small
compare this with my biceps are the same size as his and I just do pullups for biceps
he's leaner though so idk
Don't even bother, I'm actually impressed at how low IQ Jow Forums is to the point of not even comprehending relative size. If Devon were to start training his triceps his arms would easily gain size and become even bigger. Alternatively, if the "17 inch" posters were to remove their triceps, their arms would become much smaller. Devon is ALL biceps, meaning his biceps are bigger. In those two pictures alone you can clearly see he has much more "pop." Simple as that.
You got blown the fuck out lad, lmao.
>buh buh buh if just Devon trained arms
>buh buh buh if you remove the tricep
Lmao, coping, sucking dick and promoting muscle imbalance? Immense effort, lad.
Some kid has arms as big as a pro athlete and you're spilling spaghetti all over the place.
>it's the guy who wouldn't post his picture
>he's still mad and unable to respond
Pottery.
>if you remove the biggest portion of the human arm their arms would become much smaller
wow, you must be REALLY high IQ
>devon is all triceps
pic related, you're wrong, his triceps are basically the same size as his biceps
Except I'm not him.
You got btfo and you have to learn to live with it.
Also I'm the one asking YOU to post body, you fucking minge.
this guy definitely not lol
>I just do pullups for biceps
What? Arm wrestlers do a LOT of volume. They do a shit load of heavy weight for many sets and high frequencies. No reason you can't do the same if it doesn't interfere with your other goals.
Not him but do you really not understand that some folk don't want to post their shirtless body on Jow Forums to win an argument? Do you know that this is a pretty pathetic thing to ask (even if it's common)
Top kek
yeah, it works for both lats and biceps, I like them
If you don't do high intensity work, you'll never get strength gains.
If you don't get strength gains, you can't go up in "moderate" weights and drive adaptation.
So, just do both fagget.
>pullups is a forearm exercise now
No chance in hell without mr O tier genetics
Forearms are unironically the weak point with my weighted pull ups. Onto 120kg combined weight for reps now and it takes a TON of grip strength to keep your wrists in the correct position for optimal pulling power (slight forward bend like gymnasts on the rings but not as extreme). I've actually had to resort to straps.
they kinda are
your individual muscle groups in your arms struggle more on pullups than any other muscle group on your body because they are weaker muscles by default.
with that being said in terms of muscle growth your muscles need to be stretched while fighting against resistance, forearm work on pullups is mostly static except for the brachioradialis which helps flexing the elbow along with the biceps to complete the rep.
Both of those muscles are stretched under resistance so the EMG data applies to them well.
An ex pullup world record holder did an EMG test on himself, biceps are used on pullups as much as on bicep curls as long as the rep is hard enough
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everything where you grip anything (literally all pull exercises & dumbbell work) work forearms. You just work them even if you didn't mean to, but the point of pullups is to build your lats. What you're saying is like saying squats are for back or bench is for front delts.
You're right I sure was proven wrong by those people who still struggle to comprehend RELATIVE SIZE
also
>he's tilting his chin up to get the rep
such a pussy, I make sure to tuck my chin in and pull myself up high enough to make the base of my chin touch above the bar.
>inb4 dyel
my pullup best (from a month ago, havent been working lats) is added 70lbs for 2 sets of 5.
5'8, 155, 11%
Oh yeah I know that all pulls and even heavy presses work the forearms. But of course they're not the target muscle for these exercises. I was merely passing comment
I don't have a reaction image for this, but you turned out not to be such a retard
EMG tests aren't the end all be all and exercises are highly individual in terms of muscle activation. One sample is nowhere near enough to make conclusions about a general sample. I would imagine a large part of the reason his biceps are so highly involved in pull ups is precisely because he is a record holder who has the neural efficiency and technique to use them maximally. Not to mention the insane irradiation effect that extremely heavy weights literally always induce.
For the record pull ups hit my biceps better than everything else. I'm simply pointing out that your reasoning is not sound
>I make sure to tuck my chin in and pull myself up high enough to make the base of my chin touch above the bar.
Fucking badass. Can I have your autograph?
> but the point of pullups is to build your lats. What you're saying is like saying squats are for back or bench is for front delts.
I agree that pullups an "upper back exercise" but it still stands true that your arms get more maximum activation on pullups than your lats do, your arms are the weaker muscle group and thus they struggle the most and will always be the limiting factor.
Not saying people should only do pullups for biceps it's just what I do personally and I'm giving my reasoning as to why that is.
lmao, legit laughed
thanks m8
I see this argument sometimes on fitness circles, and I used to feel the same way.
The problem is when you only look at MVC and peak activity, when you look at the overall activity throughout both the eccentric and concentric portion of an exercise this isn't an issue anymore and thus emg does in fact predict muscular adaptations in both untrained and highly trained people.
There are plenty of studies that look at multiple subjects both untrained and trained where pullups challenge the elbow flexors just as much as bicep isolation.
Such as ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
in this study lat pulldowns were put to the test vs bicep curls, muscle gains were identical, lat pulldowns actually provided more growth but it's not statistically significant.
The reason why people still do bicep isolation is due to tradition and personal preference.
Arm wrestling is actually funnily enough less about the strength in your arm itself as much as it is about being able to lock your arm/wrist properly so that you can use the muscles in your chest/shoulders/body to move your opponents hand.
It's super technique based. Obviously arm strength helps a lot, for obvious reasons, but it's secondary when compared to all the other things going on.
any pull movement done thumbless is a forearm exercise
>my biceps are the same size as his
no you don't, youre just fat
Ok then I yield my previous point, but your assertion regarding curls is flawed. Isolating the biceps is useful for maximum growth when no more back work is possible due to back fatigue being too high. Most people find that their backs will reach their maximum recoverable volumes before the biceps, and that their possible back frequency is necessarily lower than their possible bicep frequency. So to bring the biceps near their maximum recoverable volumes as well, bicep isolation can be useful if it's required ie if both back and bicep size are a priority to you. It should be said that the biceps aren't terribly well positioned anatomically to be hit by curls, so some pretty ridiculous volumes there can be required. Curls aren't great but with regards to isolation it's the best we've got unless someone comes up with something better
They are, you absolute dyel.
No.
>backpedadlling and moving the goalposts this hard
Lad, just learn to live with the fact that you've been skullfucked this day.
I've come back to this thread after over 2 hours and you're still being retarded? Do us all a favour and stop embarrassing youself. Literally everyone has disagreed with your stupid post, so stop trying to pretend that you're right, because you're not. And everyone knows it.