What’s the best combat sport and why is it boxing?

Who Bruce fight tho?

nope bjj sucks ass and any boxer would shit on you

This, but

Boxing is faster to learn, because its very focused and specialized. Doing MMA is 30% ground, 30% takedowns, 30% striking and 10% combining them. Boxing will always be relevant since a fights starts standing usually within punching range, and a punch is the most common attqck so its important to know defense against it.
I do BJJ as well, but knowing basic punching range and defense is important, as well as takedowns.

If this were the case, then more people in MMA would train one martial art without learning the rest, because that would be the winning strategy. But it isn't.

Doesn't BJJ have a mcdojo problem these days?

I wouldnt say McDojo problem, since most places still do live sparring and Black belt take 8 - 10+ years to acquire. There are more clubs though, and coaching quality vary. What is especially concerning for some is the shift of focus from self defense to sport, and takedowns not being prioritized because of modern guard play.
It depends on what angle youre looking like, as a system it has grown immensely and once youre on the mat, your belt color doesnt matter only your skills.
How effective a de la riva guard is against punches from an attacker is questionable however.

Most mma fighters have a dominant side in their fighting whether it is striking or grappling. Conor Mcgregor for example, is really good at punches and kicks but not as good in grappling. This is why he lost to Nate Diaz and Khabib Nurmagomedov.

>What is especially concerning for some is the shift of focus from self defense to sport

From the outside, that sounds like a good thing, as long as it retains the aliveness of the discipline

> What is especially concerning for some is the shift of focus from self defense to sport, and takedowns not being prioritized because of modern guard play.
This. I trained BJJ for a year. Must have done like 3 takedown sessions the whole time.

It still some what stands, since most guys have few things in each departement theyre good at.
Like 1 good punch / combo, a favorite takedown and then a submission from top and bottom, all drilled 10000 times each because it works for them and becomes their style, from which they make a gameplan from. The rest is padding and defense against everything the other guy might do.

Almost all major UFC fighters were extremely skilled in one particular martial art before they reached into MMA. Daniel Cormier was a NCAA wrestler, Henry Cejudo was an Olympic wrestler, the Diaz brothers started in BJJ, etc.

Yeah, I agree since I dont do it for self defence, but because I like grappling and competing is fun.

Yeah, it is a bit lacking. Some quick basics however and you can take an untrained guy down pretty easily.
Its why so many pull guard and butt scoot, because their sweeps and guard is better than their takedowns.
Whats good about most bjj gyms though is that you can drill whatever the fuck you want, without your instructor interfering. Its very individual once you reach purple belt, and you have your own game that you refine and modify all the time.

Sorry kids the best art is combat sambo. Standup, submissions, throws etc. all in one. A good thing about it is that it focuses on standup and throws, leading to the rules allowing only 10-15 secs on the ground. Because of this, you learn to get submissions fast and if not you get right back to your feet. Good luck finding it though. I got lucky and found an mma gym that has multiple sambo champs at it. Of course the sport variety is still useful in that it’s a version of judo that hasnt been neutered yet by the IOCs fuckery. Yeah a boxer might get a punch off before I get a hand on him, but if you have any chin at all you wont be KO’d and if you arent down then that guy is getting seoi nage’d and his arm snapped in an arm bar. I know guys who have done both, and boxers attempts to shit on grappling arts is probably the worst cope I’ve ever seen. My coach told me his old boxing trainer kept talking shit on mma and grappling in general, eventually he got into the cage with him just to shut the guy up. It wasnt even ten seconds. UFC 1 proved this ages ago.

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What art could teach me good takedowns/throws without getting into too much ground game?

wrestling or judo

Boxing is good enough for your average joe to hold his own well in a street fight.

If you want to be better than an average joe, do muay thai and bjj

This
I will add that ground game is important however. You could also do catch wrestling, sambo or hell even BJJ depending on the club and what you drill during open mat / free drill class.

Does rugby league count as a combat sport? I don't watch much of it but I don't recall ever seeing a game without a fist fight.

Wish it was more common to find a Sambo gym. I always wanted to do Judo too since it has throws/submissions/ and efficient ground work.

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There are a lot of MT mcdojos

Wrestling. Look at most premiere fighters. Jon Jones, Daniel Cormier, Khabib, Tyron Woodley. They all have wrestling backgrounds that let them bully their opponents. I mean you need to have a balanced game but you can survive off of wrestling. Look at Lesnar. He sucked shit but he could wrestle and ground and pound

Best sport period.

Back at it again with the B O X I N G S H I L L S Q U A D

but bjj would school a boxer. Even an experienced butt scooter could.
A complete fighter has muy thai, judo or greco roman, and bjj. seriously why is there such an apparent club of boxers that shill boxing on fit so much?

It’s popular you autist.

>combat sports
In a street fight, I have two weapons
My feet for runnin
My gun for shootin

But why? It's the shittiest of all the real martial arts in MMA and UFC. The Orthodox boxers stance is shit defense against take downs, leg kicks and all sorts of other shit.

> leg kicks you
> bruh muh footwork

sambo hands down. after that it would be freestyle wrestling + muay thai.

And you can sperg out against BJJ all you want with the "you can only use it 1v1 but against a group", but that's true of any martial art, if you are fighting like 3 guys and they hit you hard or you trip or get taken down, what or you going to do with no ground game?

quads of truth

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99,99% BJJ guys think they could beat anyone with their "I'm not a fag,but let's pretend like I am methods",but 100% of the time they eat a punch on their glass jaw and go to sleep.

To be frank, they can. We already found this out with the Gracies. A person who knows grappling will beat someone who doesn't 90% of the time.

I can't tell if you are serious and have no real fight experience or trolling. your sentence structure says trolling. which brings me back to my other question: Why the giant boxing shill community on Jow Forums?

it's boring to watch tho copared to MMA

>Crappy MMA fighter lost a fight, therefore, boxing must be shit
Not too long ago, an amateur level boxer was demolishing everybody until he lost to that Dagestan guy

Imagine being so mentally challenged not to check all the local martial arts clubs and see which one has the best and most relevant teacher.

Learning boxing from a 5ft1 Manlet who’s spent his entire career trying to work out how to close distance is going to be more useless than mcdojo taekwondo if you are 6ft5 (and vice versa). Stop thinking about styles and learn from great fighters who’s game plan you can actually use.

Also the amount of boxing clubs that make you run mindless circuit training for 80% of the session instead of actually teaching anything useful is literally as bad as the number of mcdojos out there.

Too many frauds in the self defence and fighting sports/arts to pick a definitive style based on theoretical dick measuring.

Every fighter knows that grappling trumps striking. A fighter who focuses on striking needs takedown training to defend against takedowns.

boxing is the most limited striking art in MMA and doesn't take into account the range of kicks and the quickness of clinching and takedowns.

The Gracies had previous intel from Vale Tudo freakshow fights in Brazil. Most of people weren't expecting a skinny guy in a judo uniform to twist limbs left and right, also Shamrock almost exposed him without any previous understanding of BJJ

Is it true that you should never try boxing if your chin is like this?

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>Shamrock almost exposed him

exposed what? they aren't frauds you moron.

why not? less chin to hit the less they will hit your chin.

>wanting to roll around on a hard floor where someone can kick you in the head

that argument makes no sense lol. Plenty of people in mma with a boxing base that get rekt on a daily basis by either more well-rounded fighters or specialists in one style.

Boxing is great but any pro boxer would get btfo by ufc fighters within their weight class

bjj is for when you don't want to roll around on the floor. If you have no ground game how are you gonna get back up after you fall down?

user, I agree with everything you said about grappling and the fact wrestling is a must, as it dictates where the fight goes. in fact I believe wrestling is the most effective when it comes to grappling.

boxing as a discipline obviously doesn't work by itself in MMA (or any kind of striking for that matter as you'll just get taken down by a superior wrestler and tapped or put to sleep), you need to have an adapted style of it to work efficiently.

take Machida's style for example, we know he's a shotokan karate practitioner who adapted it to 'Machida Karate' to be used into MMA which notably incorporates counter striking in punches and takedown defense.

youtube.com/watch?v=gzV_mrShebM

punches are the most efficient resource when it comes to striking, kicks leave you wide open, and for knees and elbows you need to clinch which also leave you open for throws against somebody competent enough to defend properly.

>people in mma with a boxing base
imagine being so shit at boxing that you have to compete in MMA

the same argument I responded to makes no sense either, just because there are a handful of crappy fighters who can only brawl without any wrestling or kickboxing/muay thai skills doesn't mean they are """boxers"""

If they were actually good at boxing, they wouldn't be doing mma because boxers get paid ten times as much. The fact of the matter is, there has never been an elite boxer in mma. There has never even been a good boxer in mma.

Give somebody like Canelo or AJ a year or two of mma training, how well would they do? We will literally never know because they make more from one fight than the average ufc champion makes in their entire career.

>There has never even been a good boxer in mma.
I haven't watched MMA consistently in a while, but isn't McGregor allegedly a golden gloves champion? and isn't that the highest tier of amateur boxing?

>Boxing is great but any pro boxer would get btfo by ufc fighters within their weight class

did you watch mayweather vs mcgregor?

KEK

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that was a boxing match, in mma, mcgregor would win.

The highest tier of amateur boxing is the Olympics.

imagine shifting goalposts so hard.

Listen up, I never claimed that mma gets more money than boxing. The only thing that was discussed here is mma > boxing in an all out fight. Hope the brain damage didn't affect reading comprehension too much..

He was apparently a youth champion in Ireland according to his dad but stopped boxing when he was 16.

of course, mayweather doesn't do grappling

>he's a shotokan karate practitioner who adapted
>he's basically the only shotokan karate practitioner who adapted

>a pro boxer wins in a boxing match that only allows the techniques he uses
Guess what faggot I could beat prime mike tyson in a judo competition where he isn’t allowed to do almost his entire sport

>the average guy with more versatility and techniques wins over the guy who thought it would be good to only focus on one thing he turns out not to be too great at

the same could be said about a guy who only trained MT getting tossed and tapped
or the wrestler who gets KTFO because they can't keep their hands up.
you're just picking cherries saying boxers get rekt all the time in MMA when it happens to all one-dimensional fighters.

I'm saying this
>Plenty of people in mma with a boxing base that get rekt on a daily basis
is irrelevant because there has never been a good boxer in mma. The guys with a "boxing base" in mma aren't actually good boxers.

that's extreme. mcgregor started boxing at 12 and was the all-ireland youth champion
he lost in the 10th round, it was hardly an unfair fight

I think that has to do with OP claiming a sport with 6 punches and which limits the vast majority of what you can do as
>the best
I did boxing and I liked it, but it IS limited, can’t grab, kick, elbow, knee, headbutt, tackle, choke, zero groundwork and you have to wear gloves to protect your hands the entire time as well.
Personally I’m with

Ackshually, one of Floyd Mayweather's olympic teammates was in an early UFC and got heemed by one of the Gracies iirc

>Floyd "Pillowfists" Mayweather walked you down and nearly knocked you the fuck out

pretty much a glorified sparring match

You forgot the super fucking important consideration of finding a legit sambo gym. A good gym in an alive discipline is better than a theoretically better discipline with no quality instruction.

Please explain this user
I’m pretty sure that means Macgregor is a good boxer.

Doesn't matter how good your boxing is, takedown defence, grappling, clinch, ... are all things you learn in MMA and not boxing. Besides, boxing itself has a lot of techniques that wouldn't fare well in a cage fight (eg. bobbing and weaving).

> there has never been a good boxer in mma

The argument that le pro boxers would be as good in mma as in boxing is stupid, since it assumes they are better learners than mixed martial artists. In fact their stance and instincts would leave them vulnerable to takedowns and kicks.
Are you denying this? If you are, then I will gladly post links to boxers vs kickboxers/mma artists getting destroyed and the argument will end there.

No shit Sherlock, but saying
>it depends on the coach
Is obvious, who would win a shitty boxing coach, or the best wushu master in existence to ever grace this earth.

>Onionboy needs a gun to defend himself
The absolute state of White Americans

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Yeah, and someone who only trained wrestling or muay thai or judo would also get heemed pretty quick because they are one dimensional. But Daniel Cormier came 4th in the olympics as a wrestler and then trained for mma specifically for years to get as good as he is. There has never been a boxer that good who has trained in mma for that long.

I'm not denying boxers who don't train outside of boxing would lose every time in an mma fight, but an elite boxer seriously training for mma is a different story. That has never happened.

Can I get a few amateur matches in, even if I start at 22? Boxing seems like a lot of fun but everyone has started so young

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the gracies were only good because nobody knew what the fuck bjj was at the time and when they went into the ufc they did well because they don't allow soccer kicks and stomps ya goof. be genuine if you are going to name names like that.

now everyone knows how to telephone and practices basic bjj defense and most UFC champs were boxing/kickboxing or wrestling background, despite the UFC rules favoring BJJ. someone post the list of all 150 whatever champs and their specialization.

Any of you rat fucks actually train in a combat sport or do you all just circle jerk about it on here?

Christ.

Bruce Lee was afraid of ghosts, though

Is karate a good combat sport? I remember doing some karate when I was 7 and being really bored having to spar every week, but I think I'd be more interested now.

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just fucking lol at all you bjj nerds. fight a half decent boxer and you’ll get absolutely dumpstered in 2 seconds

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It’s just grade a trolling, none of these fags train in anything other than beating their dicks.

This

If you have the option, go Muay Thai. If you don't, boxing is the way.

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it's the kind of shit that only works if you are much stronger than your rival, brute force

*puts you in a submission instantly because you don't know how to avoid a grapple*
nothing personnel kiddo

*gives you a good ol’ hook to the jaw as soon as you get within grappling range*
*scoffs* amateur

Is ninjutsu a meme or is it actually good? I know people probably think it's a meme because it sounds like one but I think it might actually be really good

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thai Kickboxing
All around solid standup grappling, kicking, and striking with all body parts

Non sport karate close 2nd because of bullshit mysticism that has formed over time. Otherwise its straight lethal and almost irresponsible to teach to normal people.

Wrestling over bjj any day, fight a wrestler with your bjj on a solid surface and see yourself get bodied on the evening news.

Its basically only effective if you're some kind of stealth operative catching people unaware, using dirty techniques, and overall being a sheisty coward

As a light-contact sport, it doesn't teach you how to fight. Period. But it's like fencing, in that it's a good sport.

As a full-contact sport, it's as good as any full-contact kickboxing.

>self trained

>learned 1-2 punch, hook, uppercut, overhand left (southpaw)

>learned side kick, front kick

>learned basic throws and leg reaps

Practiced my basic ass moves every day for a few years focusing on power and robot like form, have kicked the crap out of boxers and karate blackbelts when I finally started sparring people.

Its all about clean technique, footwork, and understanding of body mechanics

Problem with that is, hip throws are illegal in Thai. It is pretty nice tho