Why has everyone begun using low-bar in the last five or so years...

alan thrall is a nigger who bounced his atg squats and concluded that that's what everyone does and therefore atg squat is bad

>Alan Thrall
>authority figure

I only listen to Jeff

Idk if it's because I'm doing it wrong but my wrists fucking kill after I do my sets of lowbar. Especially if I grip with thumb, but it still hurts if I just cup the bar with my hands into to my shoulders. Otherwise considering doing a "midbar squat" if that's a thing, somewhere in between so its not totally a high bar or lowbar.

are you wristlet?

>listening to power lifters
>ever

I had this problem. Even with wrist wraps and thumbless grip. Developed really bad carpal tunnel syndrome. Was so bad couldn't even gap any more. Got some coaching at local powerlifting club and found I wasn't putting my hands wide enough apart on the bar. Seems OK now.

That is the point. Even power lifter said that high bar is better.

He didn't say that though

he changes his mind every week anyway so for all I know he might have said something different already... he has no idea about a lot of things and just repeats whatever he hears from people who know their shit yet he is too dumb to filter out the bs from the actual scientifically backed statements...

>Alan Thrall
>Powerlifter

Um.... What's the difference in high and low bar lads?

Fuck lowbar. I started out doing those when I first started lifting and doing SS. I'd just end up getting pain in my elbow/shoulder from the bar position, and form was simply too much like a good morning and felt awkward. Eventually gave up, deloaded, and switched to highbar. Immediately felt much better and ive never looked back

So much this

When I was first learning the low-bar, all the videos said to grip it as close as possible. That's exactly what I did. And you better believe I did that shit all the way, I was bending my wrists like hell and all.

Never believe anyone. Just do whatever's comfortable.

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highbar is easier for me to do so fuck lowbar

High bar are quad dominant and low bar uses ass more so you can push more weight

>I did low bar wrong
>I gave up
>This isn't my fault

>I was bending my wrists like hell and all.
You're not meant to do this

"but it wasnt real lowbar!"

Yes, doing something wrong is wrong.
You only have yourself to blame

youtube.com/watch?v=nLVJTBZtiuw

high bar looks fucking clean, low bar looks disgusting.

in low bar squat you use your posterior chain much more than in high squat, therefore you can squat much more, which means your ego in the gym is sky high.
Also you cant ass to grass in low bar without ruining your form.

Take responsibility for your mistakes and stop blaming everything else. You will become a better person.

>squat how you want
/thread in the OP wew

You don't need a mile wide stance to do lowbar. That's just powerlifter autism

Bro that’s like comparing Formula 1 and Drag Racing, Oly lifters need to be that agile to be as efficient as possible not everyone needs to, and equipped powerlifting is uhhh... something

Bottom line is that squat preference comes down to how your built and where you’re most flexible (ex hips or ankles)

SS was religion.

Because its physically and mentally a much easier exercise than a high bar squat. They should be renamed to rear delt loaded torso folds. This is not a squat.

youtube.com/watch?v=LRTX3RaKApg

How do they have such a narrow stance and not hurt their knees and hips? I squat high bar and I used to squat that width but now I moved to 1.5 shoulder width apart to help my hips.

That's the stance I'm using now but high bar. Am I fucking up?

Post squat

because they are elite athletes ? they have perfect leverages and have worked on their mobility for years if not decades... what do you expect, just to walk in and be able to do what they are doing ?

Yes check out some olympic weightlifters and see how they high bar squat. Not that hard to do imo.

What a cunty response. Probably a DYEL.

Everyone is built differently. Just like swimmers or gymnasts, weightlifters have ideal proportions for their sport. There are outliers but most of them will be built for narrow stance, vertical torso squats.
Don't model your squat on someone you see on youtube, test things out and find what works for you. If you don't have Lu Xiaojun's hip anatomy, short memurs and long torso, you shouldn't try to squat like him.

Because pretty much everyone will squat more lowbar, and people like lifting more weight. I personally used low bar for a couple month, could immediately lift around 10kg more than highbar, but it started bothering my knees for some reason and it just felt uncomfortable, so I went back to highbar and I'm never doing lowbar again, I may be stronger in that position but I prefer to lift comfortably.

Also highbar is just so much more aesthetically pleasing and I'll fight anyone on this.

You can move more weight but they're functionally and developmentally the same as high bar.

for me the reason is simply because I have issues with my lower back when doing highbar squats. especially if I push myself too hard and form breaks down a bit it is so easy to get injured. on lowbar I am much more stable for some reason.. and I only recently switched...

Funny, what made lowbar extremely uncomfortable for me was the fact that after squatting my lower back was as stiff as a log, while with highbar it all feels more natural and I don't have that problem, my lower back always feels fine after squats. I guess it just depends on the person.

Low bar is stupid
Do you want to squat like an explosive athlete with proper range of motion, or do you want to be like a bloated powerlifter who does half the lift because it strokes his little ego noodle?

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Lowbar bar position is on your rear delts, highbar bar position is on your traps that's it.

Wrong. Your torso is artificially shorter with lowbar, decreasing the lever arm making it so you can move more weight.

How long are short femurs? Mine are about 42cm

Literally useless information without comparing them to the rest of your body.

t. DYEL with a shit squat

Depends on your height. Average femur length is about 25% of your height. Mine are about 22% of my height.

>low bar squats
>narrow grip
gross and gross, low bar squats your grip is meant to be wide

Post squat

Yeah if you're a bloatlord with no shoulder flexibility, sure

Not him, but I hear leg length and more specifically femur length compared to torso length is important when it comes to figuring which would be better. I have a long torso and shorter femurs and high bar always leaves my back pretty stiff, I’m gonna start low bar next week. But I hear people with shorter torsos feel better with high bar.

Not true.

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in the beginning I am pretty sure it was from buttwink at the bottom but even once I fixed that the weight has somehow always felt much heavier on my back with highbar. lowbar I can just focus on hipdrive and moving the weight. as for highbar the most challenging part of the lift after 3pl8 was just keeping my core engaged, not letting my core collapse or leaning too far forward and losing balance.

It could be an issue with a weak core but even when working at that I have always had issues at a certain weight with highbar. and the weight basically instantly feels way heavier than lowbar from the moment I unrack it... a bit strange honestly. I like highbar for high reps lower weight but if I want to go over 3pl8 I only go lowbar nowadays...

I am that user with the lower back issues on highbar and when I went to buy a bike the guy in the store told me I have a long torso for my height and short legs. so we might have a similar build.

Kinda OT, but some time ago I got in an argument with my coach about the deadlift starting position, he told me I had to get my ass down lower case my back angle was too horizontal and I told him it wasn't possible without the bar not being over midfoot or the shoulder going behind the bar.

So I measured myself (feet, tibia, femur, torso and arms) and drew a stick figure with my measurements to prove that my back angle was the only possible one to get in proper position.

Was that autistic?

No, everybody's deadlift starting position is going to look different based on their limb and torso lengths. Just like everybody's squat is going to look different based on their limb and torso lengths and degree of forward knee travel.

>never believe anyone. Just do what’s comfortable

So much this. Bad advice outnumbers good advice 10:1, and there’s also the fact some people have preferences while many will act like their preference is law. So long as it’s not something stupid like denying basic science, people oughta just do what they want and like so long as it fits between the sidelines of health and fitness. Come here and you’ll be told to do SS and either do keto or fast all the time. Which is why this board (okay this site in general) is made out to be full of retards and autists. Fitness is only useful when it’s sustainable, for most people it’s only sustainable when it’s enjoyable.

Ok artificially decreasing the moment atm is not decreasing the rom. K

It can switch the focus of the exercise but the rom is the same, as long as you hit the same depth

We could. I’m 6’ and always been told I have that body type. I also have a long history of minor to moderate lower back injuries so finding ways to make it easier on my back is a happy sight for me. I also read in Arnie’s encyclopedia of bodybuilding he had a short section about this very issue in the squat description

Are YOU retarded? Can you tell the difference in ROM between squatting to parallel and squatting ATG?

It doesn't change anything as far as focus goes you dingus.

>you can't go ATG lowbar
>you can't cut depth with highbar
Are YOU retarded?

>felt like having a stable core and keeping my upper body upright was the hardest part of the squat
Big reason why I do high bar, it really builds core and back strength for me.
To be fair I don't mind switching it up every few months because the more variations and positions the body adapts to the better imo; I always do front squats though

so angling my arms as opposed to almost full extension on the sideraise also changes ROM ? moment arm and ROM doesnt necessarily correlate.

Wrong, highbar focuses on quads more and less on glutes. ROM is distance traveled, particularly of the center of mass of the object traveling (here, your entire body+weights). Lowbar places both the starting and ending locations of the center of mass a bit lower, but the distance is the same if you hit the same depth

No it absolutely does not. With any bar position your quads are going to be exerting as hard as they can at the bottom of the squat and are going to usually he the limiting factor. Your hamstrings act as a bridge in both bar positions that help your glutes extend the knee and help your quads extend the hip. The same applies to a properly performed front squat where your torso doesn't collapse.

fair enough, I rarely ever frontsquatted and it is a notoriously bad lift for me so it might just be a weakness in the stabilizing muscles taht becomes apparent at a certain weight when doing highbar.

like I said I just recently switched to lowbar for the first time in my lifting career and will just see how far I can go since I am still constantly adding weight for now without too much issues. after that I might look into frontsquatting for a while. I am just worried of losing size and strength in my legs if I fully commit to frontsquatting as I wont be able to use nearly as much weight as I do on high/lowbar...

>Also highbar is just so much more aesthetically pleasing and I'll fight anyone on this.
My nigga. I'll take 315 paused ATG high bar for one rep over 5x315 low bar "squat". There's just something satisfying and aesthetic about doing a squat ATG and standing up with it like it's nothing, even better with a pause. Powerlifting low bar looks like a joke compared to this.

It's because some weight of the bar is resting on your wrists, it used to happen to me too where I had wrist pain after low bar squats every time. The way I fixed it was - grab the bar with enough distance between my hands to allow a straight wrist, place myself below the bar so that it is resting right on top of my rear delts, start reducing the distance between my hands and narrowing the grip so that my rear delts start to contract and make up a meaty part on my back that will support the bar. If you can't grip the bar with a straight wrist, just grip it so that it's on the carpal bone part of your palm instead of the very middle. I'm never worried about the bar rolling off of my back and I have no strain on my wrists after squats because the whole weight is supported by my back and my delts.

What really helped me with staying upright was this cue I found on a chinese weightlifting profile (I'm talking about the first cue).

For some reason thinking about contracting the muscles in my back never worked as well as I wanted, but imagining my spine as something that just cannot bend makes me automatically brace extra hard and I remain perfectly upright. It sounds dumb but it works for me.

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315 is bitch weight, low or high bar

cause you can lift heavier and dont have to go as deep

yes it is but that wasn't the point

I have long legs and a shorter torso comparatively and low bar feels better in every regard except the wrist discomfort. High bar seems to load my lower back in a way that always leads to issues, but I might just lack the necessary mobility for it.

Why not do both :)

Personally I do lowbar mostly, but I rotate with front squats occasionally

Correct me if I’m wrong but as long as the bar is over mid foot, shoulders in front of the bar and shoulder blades/arm pits directly over the bar, that’s the correct starting position for everyone?

ATG is pointless. Once your hamstrings touch your calves that is enough depth.

Sure, but it will LOOK different depending on your anthropometry

Yes, but different people have different leverages, so the back angle can vary greatly from individual to individual while still being correct

I tried it. Tweaked my back and couldn't work legs for two months. Still not sure what happened, I probably leaned forward too much.

Highbar feels way better, like my back isn't about to snap in half at any moment.

>you can actually perform both of the lifts with bad form

Yeah, you can ATG squat with the back angle of a low bar squat, or you can do the same with a straighter back that makes it a lot easier to squat ATG. And you can also do half reps, quarter reps. Should you do any of those? No.

Yeah that’s what I meant, your deadlift will be correct if you follow those tips but everyone’s deadlift will look different due to people’s builds.

Only dyels worry about squat style. Just do what you like best.

Brett McKay got fat from Starting Strength. His hair is competelt grey, has gained 40 pounds, and has gyno now. How manly

i don't see anything wrong with this. hips clearly below knees.
If he's having fun doing a good morning and a squat combined every time while others just squat, more power to him

Low bar is easier then high bar.

Is highbar becoming the veganism of weightlifting?

>do low bar
>do hex bar deadlift to balance it out since more quads
epic

I do highbar because it feels more natural, I can't find a comfy barbell position for lowbar and I can ez slav squat atg with heels on the floor. Squat is my weakest lift so I wanted to try lowbar but it just feels bad.

I like low bar squats because they're easier on my knees.

>I used to do highbar for the longest time but for some reason it never really felt right to me personally. I felt like having a stable core and keeping my upper body upright was the hardest part of the squat not actually moving the weight.
lmao this is what powershits actually believe

will replacing the soles in lifting shoes ruin the point of them?
they use the sole in the height measurements of the heel, but the standard sole in most shoes are uncomfy as fuck for me so i put the footlocker soles in

Im exactly the same