> humans arent natural meat eaters! We cant get meat without using tools!
> *uses a blender to grind up one cup of chia seeds, 3 bananas, spinach, orange juice, and vegan protein powder*
When did you realize veganism was an unnatural, unhealthy meme and inferior for thriving and building muscle and strength?
>When did you realize veganism was an unnatural
When I asked myself the following question.....
What would I do if I was pulled out from the comforts of society and thrown into the Australian bush/outback........Would my first instinct be to start looking for natural vegetables/berries, or would I just go kill a Kangaroo with a few of the other men? The kangaroo will provided a fuck ton of calories, and there's 50 million of them, and starting a fire to cook it will be easy. Trying to look for naturally growing vegetables/fruits would take too long, and the calories wont be enough. We could kill 1 kangaroo per day and feed 30+ people easily with 1.5-2k calories each, it would take 100000x less time and effort to get those calories than it would to find plant-foods.
See what I mean? Veganism just doesn't hold up on a "SHIT HITS THE FAN" scenario, which makes me realize its stupid.
> Spends 8 hours trying to catch a kangaroo
> Would have saved time just collecting the fruit/vegetables
Why are vegans so mentally ill? Like animals eat other animals all the time. Honestly I think the biggest faggot in the world are those that want all humans to die and hold animals above humans.
Give one legit reason as to why you are allowed to eat other sentient beings.
not to mention how dangerous plants/berries are to pick in such a scenario
That's exactly how I imagined vegans, thank you Jow Forums
That's nature retard
Lmao why are leftists so prone to openly call for acts of violence?
It's like these retards already thought they had won the cultural war. I can't imagine what must be happening in the parallel universe where Hillary won.
Okay, enjoy spending all day to find 1000 calories of berries, which poison you, while me and the boys go kill a Kangaroo worth 80,000 calories, and feed everyone, then spend the rest of the day constructing shelter while you're only half way through your 1000 calories of poisonous berries.
most of the other sentient beings are
You probably couldn’t name five edible plants that grow in your ecosystem. Man in his “natural setting” would know dozens off the top of his head.
>Australia
>eat poison berry
>die from poison
>stick hand in bush
>get bit by venomous snake and die
>stand anywhere
>get bit by venomous spider and die
>go fishing
>get stung by poisonous jelly fish and die
>hunt kangaroo
>get punched in the face by it and die
my creative nothing demands it
Animals aren’t sentient
Abos survived the last 40,000 years eating kangaroos and bugs, they dont eat plants here, thats how you die.
Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me
A lot things we do is against our nature now give me a reason.
inb4 regurgitation ritauls were use to feed oneself
you are right, there is no reason. WE should kill every lion, tiger, wolf, shark, any carnivorous bird, etc.
The reason is health. I can't help it if I need meat in order to be healthy. I would absolutely love it if we could be vegan and healthy, I was vegan for 6 months and it wasn't hard at all. Veganism is just not feasible for humans though. We are not herbivores. We are carnivores with the option to eat some plant matter as a backup, but it is not optimal.
>animals killing other animals is against nature
>See what I mean? Veganism just doesn't hold up on a "SHIT HITS THE FAN" scenario, which makes me realize its stupid.
Sure glad you're here to extrapolate findings from your fantasy scenario to the real world.
Question: Would your tribe with comfortable with how your meat eating society causes those who become elders to suffer from debilitating heart disease, strokes, diabetes, etc... and therefore burdens?
Do you plan for the long term?
Why not start farming edible plants and ensure the tribe has consistent and healthy food that can be gathered for much less energy?
prove animals are sentient first
Lefties don't understand right-wing thought our culture so it scares and confuses them, so they attribute bad motives to their actions and beliefs. I their actions and beliefs are evil, then they deserve to be met with violent opposition
Because I can
They do this out of necessity and are generally not considered moral agents.
his scenario is real world in the past
Because they cant stop me.
You literally can't do something if it isn't in your nature to do it
Because I can. That's all I need.
>We are carnivores with the option to eat some plant matter as a backup, but it is not optimal.
Historical analysis of preserved stomach contents of our ancestors deeply disagrees with you here. We only started eating meat in large quantities during the ice ages when plants became scarce.
Historically we ate diets that were 90-95% plant based.
> Using abos to justify health and lifestyle choices.
Whew.
>sentient
>not considered moral agents
pick one or define the degree of sentiency you're attributing to animals
>debilitating heart disease, strokes, diabetes, etc...
So shit that is mostly caused by eating carbs?
My gf went vegan and she looks better now than ever before
well, people here are talking about how natural it is to be a vegan, abos are the natural state
Sentience is arbitrary if the dilemma concerns our own survival. Humans wouldn't have developed this far without meat, and to be honest I would personally kill every animal I've ever eaten if it would make some sort of metaphorical point to you, but that's impractical and impossible now.
Humans are omnivores.
Global warming is bad, and the only legitimate reason to limit one's meat intake (because of associate greenhouse gas emissions in production).
Until a *healthy* (AKA non-vegan) substitute for meat comes along no one will or should change.
Veganism is cancer.
Natural =/= good
Why on earth are we admiring the diets of people who had an average life expectancy of 30?
Those fuckers didn't have to worry about heart disease and cancer because they were dead and had passed on their genes before the consequences of their diet took hold.
>mocks the brainlet arguments that carnicucks use to justify their own health-deteriorating testosterone-lowering diet (reminder that all carnicucks poster-boys have been tested deficient in testosterone).
How do carbs cause narrowing of coronary and cerebral arteries user?
>Eating plants is unnatural
Imagine being this low IQ
>Humans should be allowed to mimic the laws of nature
>We should be allowed to rape (forced copulation) others or murder children of another tribe.
This is how you sound.
The weak should fear the strong
>Base your daily dietary choices on what you would do in a survival situation
The absolute state of burgers
Cause they're weaker than me, if a pig can bench press more than me I won't eat it, but I'd like to see that cunt try it.
yeah, and we lost most of the adaptation for eating plants after the ice age was done. We can get at most 2-9% of energy from fermenting fiber while most monkeys get 55-60%. The cecum is a useless apendix for us while all monkeys have it functional and vital for survival. We have almost 3 times (relative) bigger small intestines and almost 3 times smaller large intestines. Not to mention our stomach is way more acidic than any other primate.
Tribe of 20 vegans vs Tribe of 20 meat eaters.
Vegans will last maybe 2-4 weeks die until all dead, meat eaters will go onto rebuild a metropolis within 1-2 generations.
He's so unread on the science he thinks carbs cause heart disease and stroke.
It's fucking incredible to me that people who are so uneducated on X topic have such strong opinions on it. Fucking unreal.
>They die
>No longer a problem
technically we should be allowed, but it is not beneficial to the society anymore, unlike getting food from killing animals
Carnies don't understand how bad their moral philosophy is. They refuse to argue based on consistent rules. Meat eating is immoral. Period. That's why they have generate world class mental gymnastics to argue
>I’m stronger than a cow
lolol
None of the populations with the highest life expectancy are vegan, they either eat a lot of fish or dairy, with a moderate amount of red meat as well.
Can a cow bench 3plate? Yeah, didn't think so.
Uhh. The longest living population on Earth is vegan you absolute brainlet fucking idiot
they did have to worry about their bodies being strong and efficient (=healthy) though
people weren't self-destructive and cared about living longer just as we do now
Source or you're a fag, the places with the highest rate of people living over 100 years are okinawa and central sardinia, the former being a fishermen place, the second being a sheperds' one.
>go outside for a smoke
>notice venomous spider on the door
>smoke while watching it
>consider killing it
>cbf
>go back inside
It's not that bad desu
based
Pre WW2 Okinawans did not eat a lot of fish, they mostly at yams. Stop being stupid. Current longest living people are the Californian Adventists. Not the guy you were arguing with either so I don't want to hear you bitching at me.
I can't imagine being retarded enough to not eat fish
> None of the populations with the highest life expectancy are vegan, they either eat a lot of fish or dairy, with a moderate amount of red meat as well.
Complete nonsense.
> Averaging out [meat] consumption in “Blue Zones,” we found that people ate about two ounces or less
about five times per month. And we don’t know if they lived longer despite eating meat.
> The Adventist Health Study 2, which has been following 96,000 Americans since 2002, has found
that the people who lived the longest were vegans or pesco-vegetarians, who ate a plant-based diet that included a small amount of fish.
> If you must eat fish, fewer than three ounces, up to three times weekly. In most “Blue Zones,” people ate some fish but less than you might think—up to three small servings a week.
> Milk from cows doesn’t figure significantly in any “Blue Zones” diet except that of some
Adventists
bluezones.com
> TL/DR - The longest living and healthiest people on earth eat a diet that is 90%-95% vegetarian
Law of nature
Meant for:
Why is it that vegans always have either crackhead teeth or full dentures? And also how do they manage to be high bodyfat while also been skelly?
Sentience that allows animal to perceive and respond to their environment; in particular they can feel physically pain via their neuromusculature.
>People eating the overdosed trash called (((meat))) in the US get their shit fucked up
Miraculous
"oh, it's from former meat consumption"
Healthy in their prime (in a society where your midlife crisis occurred at the same time as puberty).
All animals do is pre-gather and concentrate nutrients that come from plants. The problem with eating meat long term is consuming stuff like cholesterol
t. reptilian
This
then it's not very important
It's funny how these studies use the standard western diet as the baseline. Which no one is defending.
Most of which consists of vegetable oils and grains. And any meat they do it is likely to be shitty quality and processed.
>But it's totally the meat guise, don't think about it too much.
You won't see these studies performed with the only meat intake being grass-fed beef, offal and other high quality animal products. They start with their conclusion and work backwards.
1. The blue zones is literally an analysis of the longest living and healthiest people on earth.
2. Look up the china study
Never was a single human on Earth that lived his entire life eating a strictly plant based diet, let alone an entire population, so why would I be the guinea pig for this experimental new age meme gimmick diet?
>The cecum is a useless apendix for us
Wrong. It's a safehouse for our microbiome and is used to repopulate our large intestine should we experience a particularly bad bout of illness.
Chinese have fucked up teeth, small dicks, and they’re all midgets.
That’s what happens when you build a civilisation with a ton of carbs and no meat.
Surely you'd only be the guinea pig if you were plant based from birth.
Going plant based at whatever age you are is hardly new territory.
Why do vegans think other people are as misinformed as they are themselves?
Correlation isn't causation, the China study is entirely based on correlation.
You think it's meat, I think it's PUFAs
But the china study revealed that the less animal products consumed by han chinese the healthier they were.
The healthiest people in the USA are the seventh day adventists who are nearly all vegetarian/vegan.
How do you figure? Our society has deemed that eating certain animals is wrong (dog, horse) and we are not allowed to abuse the mentally deficient (non-moral agent).
>dude what if society collapsed
>let me base my entire lifestyle around this
brainful post
there have been literal millions in asia throughout the centuries in vegetarian cultures, though those people were vegetarians, not vegans. this did lead to occasional mass deaths like beriberi because couldn't figure out what was happening
overall, while I'm not a vegan myself, I think it would really just be best to hunt your own meat or at least buy it from a hunter, because industrial treatment of animals is spooky. whenever I see somebody on the internet butthurtedly defending muh meatz on the internet I have to think, what is this dude's endgame, why are people so mad about this, and it really just seems like they are so fucking lazy and gluttonous that they will throw out any sense of moral consistency as soon as it requires any change whatsoever
arguing with carnism fags is a waste of time, if you gave them the same courtesy they give other beings instead of arguing with them, they'd be brutally killed
Well, by that logic homosexuality and adultery should be banned.
>analysis
Im-Fucking-Plying
There is zero proper research to back up any of Dan Buettner's claims. All he did was write two books that got published by National Geographic and I can't find any citations or external research on the website.
If you look at the guy's CV it's pretty clear that he's a good businessman that knows how to run a good con.
Because they are tasty, faggot. Why would anyone need another reason?
It's also not not causation.
They are sentient. They are not sapient however, which makes them ok to eat as far as I'm concerned
lol 99% of wild plants and fruits are toxic to you you fucking retarded moron.
good luck getting enough calories
Dan Buettner is also not a vegan/vegetarian by the way.
If you can find some other groups who live just as long as the blue zones but eat large amounts (over 20% of their diet lets say) of meat I'd be happy to concede.
I wish meat was good for us but it just isnt lad.
all these arguments against veganism basically work pro-cannibalism too
*kills your entire family*
>b-but that's immoral
too bad you can't stop me faggot, who cares about compassion and gay morals and shit lmao suffering is fine as long as it's not me
t. needle taint
Why would you kill other people in the tribe when you could use them to help you hunt animals and build shelter?
Use your head, idiot.
> There are over 20,000 species of edible plants in the world
pfaf.org
>le entire world is my tribe
your kids aren't in my tribe nerd, what if they look tasty
because being as natural as possible is GOOD
exercise feels good and increases your health because its natural
>We could kill 1 kangaroo per day
dogs and horses historically served different roles in our society
thats the way it is
all things that aren't supernatural etc. are natural, philosophylet
a skyscraper is the human version of an anthill, we cannot escape being a part of nature. your appeal to muh hunts and leafs n shiet is not "true nature", it's a fetishization of media memes
What does this have to do with my post?