Is nofap just broscience crap? Of course fapping 3 times a day is bad...

elaborate user, please tell us how great porn is for your mental health.

Watching porn while not fapping is the worst thing you can do to your mind.

sexual transmutation.

Imagine what you could achieve if you redirected the drive to fuck into something else.

>Literally the opposite
>porn good fap bad!

Attached: 1540650507611.png (645x729, 113K)

Why do i turn into a degenerate when horny?
Fuckin' hate it.

The idea that porn is somehow harmful to your mental health is entirely pseudoscience mostly purported by feminists who see it as a competition whereas not ejaculating has clear and studied physiological effects.

jacking off usually involves staring at porn on a screen which involves seeing very unrealistic portrayals of sex.... it can lead to unhealthy pathologies and expectations
using your time doing something constructive is obviously better than watching spankbang for 4 hours.

>Is nofap just broscience crap?
Yes. There are no benefits whatsoever to this. It's just junk science spread by an antipornography feminist couple. See >Of course fapping 3 times a day is bad
No, it isn't. Regular sexual activity, including masturbation, keeps your sexual organs in shape. A lack of regular sexual activity leads to penile atrophy and erectile dysfunction. You literally either use it your lose it.

Regular ejaculations are very good for your prostate. Not releasing seminal fluid is the problem.

>Just like women have periods, we are probably supposed to occasionally clean our pipes too.
As stated above, this is completely correct.

>using your time doing something constructive is obviously better than watching spankbang for 4 hours.
While this is undeniably true, I don't believe it is an accurate summation of the typical pornography viewing experience. You play a video you like, have a fap and get on with your day. If someone has a dysfunctional relationship with porn, that doesn't speak negatively of porn in the abstract.

Day 74 of no fap

As I exited my vehicle to walk into work I caught scent of a female in heat 73.35 meters upwind. Because of the fog I couldn’t see her yet but judging by the scent she was mid twenties, and healthy. My ultra attunated hearing was able to pick up her gait, which put her at about 5’6”. My mind, free of the constraints of porn and indecent imagery, was able to calculate her weight based on the ripple in the testosterone continuum produced by her footsteps as she walked away from me.
Being that I was 10 minutes early for work, I made chase and followed her through the fog still without visual contact. I was like a pilot navigating the white abyss by instrument alone. I was trailing her about 130m behind when I sensed her phone vibrate in her purse through the pavement. Holding my ear to the ground I was able to faintly pick up on the conversation she was having with beta BF. Based on the annoyed tone in her voice I knew now was the time to strike.
I readied my legs and concentrated all of my Testo-chakras into my Vastus Medialus muscles as I assumed a sprinters starting stance. I exploded forward in a cataclysm of sex hormone fueled rage. Exactly 2.54 nanoseconds later I began to phase through time and space as I meshed with the testosterone continuum. As I phased through the helpless female target I nutted directly into both of her Fallopian tubes, destroying her previously unbroken hymen and causing her to orgasm INSTANTLY. As I began to slow down 33.6 light years later, I realized that while she would have wanted to thank me for giving her the gift of my superior seed that she was already dead and gone having raised my CHAD progeny to repopulate the earth.
As I float into the the celestial abyss of the greater Crab Nebula I am not filled with regret for having left my world, but rather happiness for having left it a better place

yes goyim! you are just an animal with desires! it's perfectly healthy and to ejaculate to a screen every day!

Attached: 1548301393159.jpg (458x458, 36K)

>However, there's a shit-ton of evidence that says NoPorn is extremely good for you.
Completely incorrect. There is not a single PhD psychologist or neuroscientist who will agree with you on this. You will find no studies submitted to peer reviewed journals confirming this inaccurate belief.

>t's not even a point of debate. If you do any amount of research online, you'll find endless amounts of information on how porn fucks your brain.
Almost all of this "information" is actually misinformation that can be traced back the antiporn propaganda disguised as science campaign that is led by Marnia Robinson and Gary Wilson, neither of whom are taken seriously by anyone in the psychological or scientific community. But they have been able to submit their completely unscientific ideas to non peer reviewed websites like Psychology Journal, a blog that is mainly for entertainment purposes, and have even given a TED talk on NoPorn, which gives them the veneer of scientific credibility in the eyes of people who don't know any better.

By the way, if you have any interest in seeing what a credentialed Ph.D has to say about a real study on porn, read this. It certainly doesn't echo the idiocy espoused by Robinson and Wilson.

"The interesting thing in these arguments is that they are arguing against the validity of science, by asserting that their theories are somehow more true and reliable than is actual scientific research or data. In other words, will they only believe data when it confirms their theories? If so, I’m sorry, that's called confirmation bias, not science."

psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201307/your-brain-porn-its-not-addictive?page=1

fuck off with this shit copypasta

it's a meme, just do it for like 5 days and make big cums on the weekend

>porn gives you ed
>porn makes you more and more perverted and even turns some people gay
>jerking off to memory literally has zero negative effects
we've hit retard level logic here folks

Attached: 1520837837161.jpg (588x823, 109K)

We sure have, though probably not in the way that you intended.

>There is not a single PhD psychologist or neuroscientist who will agree with you on this.
>You will find no studies submitted to peer reviewed journals confirming this inaccurate belief.
You're just wrong.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26606725
Published in the Journal of Psychiatric Research, a peer-reviewed journal.
Conducted by Dr. Paula Banca (PhD in Cognitive Neuroscience), Dr. Neil Harrison (PhD in Neuroscience), and more.

tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00224499.2015.1025123
Published in the Routledge Journal of Sex Research, another peer-reviewed journal, and every one of the researchers involved also have a Ph.D.

There are plenty, plenty more. Not sure why you'd dig your heels in on a claim that anyone can debunk in seconds with Google.

And your quote?
>"The interesting thing in these arguments is that they are arguing against the validity of science, by asserting that their theories are somehow more true and reliable than is actual scientific research or data. In other words, will they only believe data when it confirms their theories? If so, I’m sorry, that's called confirmation bias, not science."
It's strange that you're so smug about citing a "credentialed PhD" even though the quote itself is unscientific. He doesn't refute or address any claims, he doesn't give any detail why the opposing studies are supposedly bunk, it's just an opinion.

I haven't seen the link you posted so I'll look through it, but to say "no PhD psychologist or neuroscientist would agree with me" is demonstrably false and completely disingenuous.

Psych degree, yes there are plenty of medical journals I have found in the past 2 or so years confirming negative neural physiology and the correlation of porn. Also several new interesting published journals out of China where it takes about 7 days for your T to Max out without ejaculation. After that threshold.it doesn't really continue to climb though. Probably literally brainwashed if you don't believe "rewarding" yourself continually to erotic images doesn't haywire your seratonin and dopamine.

user I'm at the point where I can't get hard without 4 different movies running. My head is in a constant brain fog. I'm a fucking zombie.

I jerk off a few times a month and never really noticed a dif before and after nutting

Did you like... actually look at those studies at all?

The hilarious thing is that neither of the studies you have linked to conclude that pornography is harmful in the abstract, particularly in moderation. The first study was performed on people already suffering from" individuals with compulsive sexual behaviors (CSB)" (read: not the majority of porn consumers). These highly dysfunctional people were found, not surprisingly, to have a dysfunctional response to porn. Shocking. The second study separated groups into people who were heavy porn users (read: people slanted towards porn misuse/addiction) and people who were not. Neither of these studies show that an average consumer who watches porn in moderation suffers from serious problems, or that members from the heavy use groups represent the average porn user. Perhaps you should try reading these studies that you link rather than just typing random bullshit into Google and posting the first thing that pops up.

>He doesn't refute or address any claims, he doesn't give any detail why the opposing studies are supposedly bunk, it's just an opinion.
Argument from valid authority is valid. As a Ph.D. psychologist, his opinion is more valid than the opinions of Wilson and Robinson and their ilk, who are not psychologists or neuroscientists and don't seem to be terribly interested in submitting their theories, which they assert as unquestionable fact, to peer review.

Addendum:

>Neither of these studies show that an average consumer who watches porn in moderation suffers from serious problems, or that members from the heavy use groups represent the average porn user.
And to further clarify my position in this argument, it is my assertion that pornography is not a vortex that sucks people in. Watching pornography in moderation will not ruin your life. People who overindulge in porn, like people who overindulge in any vice, do not represent the average consumer.

Reductio ad absurdum: alcoholics drinking themselves to death means that a moderate drinker cannot enjoy a glass of wine with dinner, and that we should further assume that said glass of wine will serve as a gateway into alcohol abuse in all individuals. Anyone can see that this is alarmist bullshit but for some reason, people buy into the anti porn propaganda.

I wish I didn't have to go to bed now but I do. I will respond to anyone's responses if this thread is still up in the morning.

I read a study that says no fap for a month causes a rise in estrogen levels.

I think everything in moderation. If I no fap, I start to get crazy chad thoughts and literally can't control myself. Probably should ride it out, I feel like my body is so injury prone from fapping too much. Losing all my healing essence to internet porn jew spells.

>The second study separated groups into people who were heavy porn users (read: people slanted towards porn misuse/addiction) and people who were not.
Where did you read that? I assume you're referring to this sentence:
>Participants reporting higher initial pornography use demonstrated a higher delay discounting rate at Time 2, controlling for initial delay discounting.
However, "higher initial pornography use" is NOT synonymous with "heavy porn users."

>Perhaps you should try reading these studies that you link rather than just typing random bullshit into Google and posting the first thing that pops up.
These are highly cited papers, I didn't get these ones from Google. My point was it would be trivial to use Google to find more. Also it's a little bit hypocritical to dismiss the studies when you yourself admit to have only read the abstracts.
>compulsive sexual behaviors (CSB)" (read: not the majority of porn consumers).
You can't conclude this from the abstract alone. "Compulsive sexual behavior" can just as easily be used to describe people who simply report masturbating or watching porn more often than they want. I don't know why you wag your finger at me for allegedly not reading the study when you're jumping to rash conclusions about methodology and grouping criteria based solely off an abbreviation in the abstract.

Regardless, if you read my post again my primary point was not about any individual study, but the fact that there are credible Ph.D. neuroscientists and psychologists that have done research suggesting porn is harmful.

>Argument from valid authority is valid. As a Ph.D. psychologist, his opinion is more valid
You seem to be mistaken, I cited published Ph.D. neuroscientists. Just because you misinterpreted their research doesn't mean it's invalid.

>very unrealistic portrayals of sex
Nigga how do you fuck that porn is unrealistic for you?

>Reductio ad absurdum: alcoholics drinking themselves to death means that a moderate drinker cannot enjoy a glass of wine with dinner, and that we should further assume that said glass of wine will serve as a gateway into alcohol abuse in all individuals.
This is not a representative analogy. First, the studies did not draw their conclusions from the most extreme users. You seem to assume any mention of above average usage is referring exclusively to the most extreme abusers, which is ridiculous. Second, the anti-porn research doesn't solely point to its addictiveness ("as a gateway"), but also points to inherently detrimental effects from regular use, more akin to trans-fats having no safe level of consumption.

You realize porn literally feminizes men? Over time your dopamine receptors stop getting satisfied and you resort to fucked up fetishes, and frequently ejaculating reduces test levels.

I can attest to this. All that really gets me now is seeing astolfo get pegged.

Yeah it's a total meme I tried it and now I have prostate cancer doctors told me I have 2 years left to live hold me bros

Is there any correlation to ejaculating and acne? I've always wondered if there was some hormonal effect that would have an impact.

So you last longer?

Cool

This.

I dialed back my fapping and my motivation is up.

Of course if I bust 3 nuts in one night with an app date it destroys my motivation same way fapping did.

It's actually fairly fucking simple. Porn = huge release of dopamine, especially because sex/ for the brain is number 1 along with food drugs etc. So you have people ruining their dopamine receptors and training them only to work with porn/fapping. Once you stop your dopamine receptors begin to heal and you feel more motivated , energetic etc. Look up side effects of zapped dopamine receptors. Its logical really.

Attached: 1547120857579.jpg (1200x1200, 171K)

Your brain is also primal and thinks that each girl or tab open of porn your fapping to are potentially all different and seperate mates. So you can keep releasing big amounts of dopamine , unlike cocaine where you plateau after a certain amount.

reuniting.info/download/pdf/0.BENEFITS.pdf

Attached: 1522145018541.png (527x468, 340K)

Does that include sex?

I'm on day 7 of nofap. Been fapping since I was like 13 almost everyday of my life (multiple times daily) today I am having actual panic attack feelings and feelings of a weak heart. Could this be withdrawal symptoms? My brain keeps telling me to wank off too, extremely horny

Idk I have a girlfriend but I do nofap, I'm like on day 50 again, I still have sex without cumming but it seems I used to get harder easier cumming a little more often, I really just dont know I'm 19 and just trying to figure out what is best for me, I've tried cumming everyday once a few days once a week and 90 days and everything, I cant decide I don't like the after feeling of cumming but I like the once every week or 2 weeks, but I can smell my hormones I think saving it, I'm so stressed in it I really can't decide so I guess I'll just keep up no fap until the once a week is better

Don't give into it bro. There are no physical danger to withdrawal from masturbating. Unlike with alcohol or opioids you can quit masturbation cold turkey.
Stay strong.

Dumping 1/4

Attached: 20190129partA.png (1314x715, 312K)

Attached: 20190129partB.png (1311x485, 236K)

Attached: 20190129partC.png (1314x551, 319K)

4/4

Thank you friends, and good night.

Attached: 20190129partD.png (1316x479, 247K)

Attached: 1548469981142.webm (640x360, 2.94M)

go to sleep earlier, you sex pervert

I just broke my nofap to incest again, god fucking damn it.

>incest
the best

incest is WINcest ayy

I wonder why is it being forced so much. Like every third video on pornhub is incest.

The best frequency to fap is once per week. That said, if you generally feel that feel when no gf and would actually like to bring a person that much closer to you, nofap can make you more motivated, whether you're an addict or not

Good question, I remember 6 years ago it was harder to find.

>You realize porn literally feminizes men? Over time your dopamine receptors stop getting satisfied and you resort to fucked up fetishes
This is the pseudoscience part.

>and frequently ejaculating reduces test levels.
This is the studied part (which is related to ejaculating, not watching porn).

I'm on day 9 nofap atm
Tbh I don't feel any different. When do the meme effects start taking place?

remember this faggot does it for free

Attached: 1531532173542.jpg (878x1971, 531K)

>Nofap is good for people with low motivation because it helps normalize dopamine reward centers.

Are there any studies on this?

Twice a week means you have no problems. Doing it only once in a week or two does give you higher sex drive, though.

You lose your sex drive and motivation to approach chicks. If that's not a problem for you, then it's all ok.

After three months you'll start getting lower testosterone levels.

If you retain your semen you will become a man.
If you retain the semen of other men you will become a living god.

Attached: 1501059543092.jpg (1024x725, 214K)

dont post that picture ever again

>You realize porn literally feminizes men?
Speak for yourself, I only fap to anime girls and Facebook pictures.

nofap is a religious meme and only good for you if you're literally addicted, bro science dictates a test boost through jerking off once every 2 weeks

Man, I wish I was a psychologist. Running a study like that must be fun as fuck.
>we paid 20 stoners to go nofap, let's see if they remain stoners

I was addicted to porn, masturbation and deprerssed.
since I dont masturbate for an hour a day it's pretty much fine and feel full of energy, since then I also started my own business.

Why wouldn't you try it when you were addicted??

Attached: 1548734935086.png (1060x1080, 476K)

That was great.

what if its realistic porn with amatuers? thats the only porn i really look at besides 2d

absolutely BASED

>Where did you read that? I assume you're referring to this sentence:
>Participants reporting higher initial pornography use demonstrated a higher delay discounting rate at Time 2, controlling for initial delay discounting.
>However, "higher initial pornography use" is NOT synonymous with "heavy porn users."

Let me help you out here. I can see you're struggling. They divided the study's participants into two separate groups based on how much pornography they consumed, meaning the people in one group were selected solely on how immoderate their consumption of pornography was. That certainly implies—no, not implies, unambiguously states—that group A is the heavy porn use group relative to group B. Again, it could not be more obvious that you didn't even read (or understand) the articles that you linked to in supposed support of your position.

>I didn't get these ones from Google.
I'll play along and assume generously that you are reposting studies frequently cited—and misinterpreted—by adherents of the NoPorn/NoFap faith. The fact that you discovered these studies, which don't support your argument, on Jow Forumsnofap as opposed to Google isn't really the point, is it, user?

>My point was it would be trivial to use Google to find more.
Then you should have no trouble doing exactly that. Here, I'll even hold you by the hand and walk you through it. This is what you have to do to support your position: You need to find a study performed on moderate porn consumers that proves moderate consumption of porn is deleterious to your health in the abstract. I hasten to add I am not talking about an insignificant reduction in dopamine or testosterone, two things that fluctuate and then return to baseline in response to all manner of stimuli. Find a study conducted on healthy subjects who were not preselected for their dysfunctional relationship with sex, porn or masturbation. Then prove that porn legitimately fucked up their lives. I'm waiting.

Continued.

>my primary point was not about any individual study, but the fact that there are credible Ph.D. neuroscientists and psychologists that have done research suggesting porn is harmful.
Generously assuming that these people and their research exist, you have yet to cite any of them ITT.

>This is not a representative analogy. First, the studies did not draw their conclusions from the most extreme users. You seem to assume any mention of above average usage is referring exclusively to the most extreme abusers, which is ridiculous.
It's drawn from a pool of unhealthy test subjects. My argument is simple: neither of these studies proves that porn made these people unhealthy. Correlation does not imply causation.

If I see firefighters outside of every burning building, I should not conclude that the firefighters caused the fire.
If I see ants at every picnic, I should not conclude that ants cause picnics.

Et cetera. This is a really basic concept to grasp. The only reason anyone would struggle to get it is if they have a confirmation bias.

>Second, the anti-porn research doesn't solely point to its addictiveness ("as a gateway"), but also points to inherently detrimental effects from regular use, more akin to trans-fats having no safe level of consumption.
The research that you posted does nothing of the sort, for reasons explained above in no uncertain terms or short duration.

i went monk mode to ween myself off porn

i realized how pathetic watching porn is. you've literally given up the idea of having sex with a woman and would rather just cum all over yourself to another guy fucking a girl you want to fuck

i gave up all porn and naked sluts now i just beat off once or twice a week to memories/imagination when the urge gets really strong

even watching solo girls masturbate will fuck your mind

Attached: 1359568171255.jpg (245x205, 12K)

Nofap was originally a way to see who could blow the biggest load to their favorite hentai.

Attached: tepqfxe2dqc21.jpg (564x1002, 68K)

Pic is literally me except i make 20k on crypto back in 2017 and I'm never buying again.

Attached: 1546683479810.jpg (498x594, 52K)

dont care enough to look up a study

but when i stopped watching porn i stopped imagining every single girl i saw gagging on my cock after ramming it up their ass

it made it possible to talk to them

>Can someone post a study to such a claim?
There are none. All of the NoPorn junk science is based off of studies of people who were highly dysfunctional and in no way represent the average porn consumer.
psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201307/your-brain-porn-its-not-addictive?page=1

Meant to tag in instead of >when i stopped watching porn i stopped imagining every single girl i saw gagging on my cock after ramming it up their ass
Anecdotal evidence.

You had an unhealthy relationship with porn and possibly sex in general. Not everyone who watches porn has this experience. In fact, it sounds very much like you were hypersexual independent of your porn viewing; viewing porn didn't make you that way.

Attached: 1514062443084.jpg (1106x962, 333K)

yeah i dont give a shit what you say i was just saying how not watching it affected me

please tell me why i should care what you say if stopping porn benefited me?

>please tell me why i should care
I'm just pointing out that not everyone who watches porn "imagines every single girl gagging on their cock after ramming it up their ass." If you hallucinate that this experience is universal, you're simply wrong. Some people are alcoholics; they have a dysfunctional relationship with drink and can't consume it in moderation. That doesn't mean that everyone has this experience.

Take it with a grain of salt or disregard it entirely.

> if stopping porn benefited me?
At no point did I say that people like you SHOULD watch porn, or that you had a healthy relationship with it. If quitting benefited you, great. Good job.

It's great though. No fappers who act like they have superpowers and have ascended beyond mortal man due to not touching their dick are obnoxious and deserve such ridicule

>energy
Fapping takes no energy. It's the same argument as "if only you spent all that time on Jow Forums towards working at a job". Do you seriously think that's a fair comparison? The precise reason why people go here is because they don't want to do other activities that require any modicum of effort.

brainlet tier.

All social sciences rely on self-reporting. They literally do nothing more than collect anecdotes. So if user tells his story he is literally on the same level as them.

I dunno whats wrong with your cock and balls, but when I fap I literally have no energy afterward

1Would you say watching porn increases the chance of masturbation?

>last sexual experience was 3 years ago
>couldnt get it up
>cant tell if it was because it was like 10 degrees outside and we just came in, if it was because i had just gotten off of a 8 hour plane ride, or just general nervousness
>ever since then i've been extremely stressed out and anxious that i've fucked up my body but i have no way to tell if it was those factors or something actually serious
what do you guys think?

Attached: 1526691723865.png (743x666, 642K)

Anyone get a massive dopamine rush from watching porn after going off of it for a long time?
Like it's an intense mindnumbing high?

Cause that's what's happened to me. Also the semen dripping out and perma semi that's going right now is sort of inconvenient.

>when your fear of cardio gain goblins atrophies your endurance to the point fapping exhausts you
15keks and a bottle of rum

depends on how you do it. I used to spend like an hour total per fap sesh, which included finding the right porn and then edging for a while. that definitely took up time and energy.

>app date
explain

>brainlet
You certainly are.

>All social sciences rely on self-reporting. They literally do nothing more than collect anecdotes.
In the post above, n=1. Real studies use larger numbers of people to make sure the subjects aren't outliers. Also, most of the (admittedly very feeble) arguments for NoPorn rely on neuroscience rather than social science.

>So if user tells his story he is literally on the same level as them.
Right. Except he's not on the same level as them at all because the people who do real research hold PhDs in their field and he's a random person on the internet.

>phd makes collecting anecdotes valid

retard alarm

>retard
Yes, that is what you are. Learn to read.