Is there any empirical evidence showing which beginner routine has the best results...

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Whichever one you stick with, the differences will be negligible vastly overridden by diet nutrition and consistency. Routine only really matters post linear progression

fcking lol

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The truth is that any routine with some type of progressive overload done 2 to 3 times a week consistently will give you gains.

In short, the routine that works is the one you keep doing.

None of you morons even read the question, did you? I know beginners get gains doing anything. I'm not asking for what beginner routine you think is the best. I'm asking for empirical evidence regarding fastest strength gains between different routines.

If you add accessories then it isn't SS any more, have you even read the book?

Honestly there would be no point in studies like that. Genetics and other factors like nutrition and rest have way more effect on the results.

Generally as long as the program has the big compound lifts, has linear overloading and has mostly reps of 5, it's probably a good routine.

>inb4 reps of 10 is better for noobs
Fives allow better focus on technique, which often is what's most lacking for beginners.

yes
and it says to add accessories like curls to the program

he says to add one set of curls only if the lifter is feeling underdeveloped in the arm area. the point of not adding accessories is to devote as much holy beginner gains as possible into getting strong rather than specialising and trying to improve your lateral raise before you can even OHP lmao1plaet

5x5 stronglifts is what I've been doing. Good stuff

"Don't fuck with the programme" is one of the major flaws of SS, considering the base programme is flawed.

The one you stick to. Most begginer routines will get you around intermediate for your weight (check strength standards) granted you eat and train properly.

My personal favourite is Greyskull, with two pull base "accesories" added (Pendlay and Weighted Chinup is good", and also the frequency pushups and chinups. The AMRAP sets of Greyskull are what makes it so much better than other beginner programmes.

Lmao stronglifts is fucking shit, it's probably the worse beginner LP. Do one that isn't made by a DYEL dilletante like Mehdi.

Starting strength kills your aesthetics. Just do a bro split and aim for 8-10 reps on everything, except do a few sets of heavy deads and bench.

There wouldn't be any use in doing so, due to a number of reasons: what you define as results, what your starting point is, anatomy, genetics (for instance, muscle fiber composition), and probably more.
As long as you challenge your body mechanically (heavy enough external load, not too many reps per set, and not too short rest periods between sets), you will make progress.

I had my best results on PPL, beginner or not

Starting Strength will make you T-Rex yes, but that doesn't mean all LPs will.

Greyskull is great because its customizable and allows for a better upper and lower body balance.

If you want pure hypertrophy, there's a greyskull for that. If you want to focus on strength, there's a greyskull for that. If you want to look good and also be strong, there's a greyskull for that.

Pic related is a friend of mine. These are his results on the stronglifts 5x5.

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There’s way too much variation between individuals to say without doing a gigantic, carefully controlled, year-long study

Also exercise science in general sucks ass

Cool :)

He is fat!

okay cool. thanks for actually answering the question. glad to see not everyone on fit is retarded.

What do you make of this?

blog.gyminutesapp.com/2016/09/13/comparing-starting-strength-stronglift-and-lvysaurs-beginner-4-4-8-program/

Having done all three, Ivysaur was more fun, stronglifts is the worst imo

I thought stronglifts catered to the average guy looking to get strong. This is mainly because not every gym will let you do Olympic lifts.

However, SS, for strength, is still a fantastic program if you can do oly lifts.

lol

Stronglifts is just shit.

Greyskull or Ivysaur are good.

This is exactly why Barbell Medicine left starting strength

I understand what your saying and I agree to an extent. I did SS in high school for football. When I hit 1 pl8 Military Press and plateaued coach told me to start doing band pull aparts and lateral raises, after that I think I got to 185 and stalled again and then did jugg method where I got 2 pl8 in college but with accessories, volume and frequency.

I'm pretty sure they are all the same.
A novice program should be very simple.

compounds
no ancillary
intensity over volume (which should be pretty much useless for a novice)
progressive load
surplus eating
cardio if you want but conditioning is not required

IMO I think Starting Strength has produced the greatest results out of all the beginner programs programs. This has nothing to do with the quality of the program as much as it does with the way the program is presented to beginners.

Rippetoe stresses the importance of eating like a pig more than the creators of other novice programs do. A lot of newbies see Rippetoe's diet recommendations and avoid the program entirely out of fear of getting fat, which is counter-intuitive to their goal of "aesthetics". They then jump on a different program that vaguely addresses diet and proceed to spin their wheels, failing to build any appreciable amount of muscle or fat.

Also, Starting Strength is for the most part "written in stone". Barring injuries, you are expected to do the program as it is written. Other programs, especially Greyskull LP, offer beginners much more customization. This isn't a bad thing at all, but beginner lifters generally don't know shit about lifting so they proceed to change the program in dumb ways and add a bunch of unnecessary assistance movements while continuing to under-eat.

Well there are several reasons.
BTW I'm thinking of buying their 12 week strength program and 7 weeks hypertrophy. Anybody has some feedback on it?

working out more than 3 days a week as a noob

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I got the 12 week strength. It’s awesome but get ready for 2 hr sessions

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