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Oh well. If you lose some muscle you'll still have more of it then you would have. Give up on strength and size concerns until you're lean. Bloatmode can't be escaped until you accept the tradeoff.

Holy fuck I'm shidding and farding and want to throw up.

VERY POSSIBLE BUT YOU HAVE TO BE FUCKING STRICT AND FOLLOW YOUR FASTING SCHEDULE. IF YOU WORKOUT 3-4X PER WEEK AND DO OMAW YOU CAN LOSE 40 POUNDS IN A MONTH. FUCKING GO GET IT, FATTY.

WHAT DAY ARE YOU ON? FIRST FEW? DETOX IS A BITCH. YOU'RE EXPELLING ALL OF YOUR BULLSHIT THAT YOU'VE ACCUMULATED THROUGH THE YEARS, THAT SHOULD MAKE YOU RE-EVALUATE YOUR PREVIOUS LIFE CHOICES REGARDING DIET & LIFESTYLE.

IF YOU'RE FURTHER IN A PROLONGED FAST AND YOU'RE IN DEEP KETOSIS, INCREASE SNAKE JUICE CONSUMPTION, REMOVE BAKING SODA IF YOU WERE HAVING IT, AND DRINK ACV/LEMON JUICE AS PER THE RECIPE IN OP.

YOU CAN START WITH SOMETHING LIKE A 20:4 ROUTINE IF YOU CAN PACK ALL OF YOUR MACROS & CALORIES IN THAT TIGHT EATING WINDOW. HOWEVER, YOU'LL HAVE TO EAT MORE TO MAINTAIN WEIGHT, SO YOU COULD LOSE A BIT OF STRENGTH JUST FROM FATTY LEVERAGE.
HOWEVER, IF YOU DO DECIDE TO CUT SOMEDAY, FASTING IS *THE* MOST MUSCLE SPARING METHOD TO CUT.

I slam 2L minimum a day. Whenever I start feeling like shit I slam some down.

I started going to the gym and I'm currently doing PPL. Pic related is me but 10 lbs lighter. I have a bad case of skinnyfat and I want to know what my fasting routine should be.

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>IF YOU WORKOUT 3-4X PER WEEK AND DO OMAW YOU CAN LOSE 40 POUNDS IN A MONTH. FUCKING GO GET IT, FATTY.
I REALLY hope that is the case. I've been following strict for 10 days with one refeed a few days ago, and I am feeling great, only started the workout today but it's going.

Yeah thats what ive been trying to think, I lift OK weights but I look like complete shit.
Also my pec and arms are still small

>I want to know what my fasting routine should be.
The same as it is normally except without food.
is it hard? yes it fucking is. Drink extra water+electrolytes.

>WHAT DAY ARE YOU ON? FIRST FEW? DETOX IS A BITCH. YOU'RE EXPELLING ALL OF YOUR BULLSHIT THAT YOU'VE ACCUMULATED THROUGH THE YEARS, THAT SHOULD MAKE YOU RE-EVALUATE YOUR PREVIOUS LIFE CHOICES REGARDING DIET & LIFESTYLE.
Mate the sad thing is, ive been cutting for HOURS, but my body is so used to eating junk food right after the gym that I crave that shit so hard it makes my head throb.

Pic related is me

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Should I be concerned if I'm losing strength? The weight I lift is already embarrassingly low but I'm just unsure if I can still gain muscle and lose the fat regardless of having less strength.

Day 19. My hunger has risen in the past few days, more than anything, today.

Obviously I would love to eat - we all would. But truth be told, I read somewhere that when hunger comes back during a long fast it's time to eat again.

Should I?

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Honestly dude, you better bulk up and get your lifts going on.
You wont pack nearly as much muscle as you would with a normal lean diet

>Should I be concerned if I'm losing strength?
You answered yourself right after
>The weight I lift is already embarrassingly low
So, no. You look skinny as fuck already.

cut, then do a very VERY slow bulk and bulk forever. If you do it right and workout properly you'll slowly increase in muscle mass and "cutting" should be a simple matter if it comes to it.

Nice progress user.
How many kgs have you lost?

I don't really think you are going to be able to work out 4 times a week and working out while prolonged fasting just raises cortisol and its not worth the stress on your body. Its already cutting fat like mad. Let it do its job. You should expect to lose 1lb per day of fast. 210 is definiltely attainable. 200 will depend on your water weight. expect to lose 15ish pounds week 1 then stall. Don't let it get you down. You might start holding water weight but that was never fat loss. In the end it will still average 1lb per day at your weight.
I didnt do keto refeeds because I would take the 48 hours it takes to enter keto to do cardio. But by day 3 cardio is pretty much impossible for me.

YOU CAN START WITH OMAD AND BULK. AT YOUR LEVEL YOU CAN CUT BODY FAT AND MAKE GAINS EASY ON OMAD.
IF YOU FUCK UP THE BULK BY GETTING TOO FAT, YOU CAN ALWAYS DO A PROLONGED FAST TO CUT BODY FAT AND LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES.

KEEP FUCKING GOING. DON'T GET DISCOURAGED FROM OVERESTIMATED NUMBERS OR SETBACKS FROM STRESS/LACK OF SLEEP ETC.. TRUST IN THE PROCESS AND ENJOY THE TRANSFORMATION. MOST IMPORTANTLY, DON'T FUCKING GIVE UP.

THAT'S GOOD MUSCULAR PROGRESS BUT YOU NEED TO CUT THAT GARBAGE FOOD OUT OF YOUR LIFE. IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE AND YOU'LL REGRET IT EVEN MORE THE LONGER YOU WAIT.
ASK YOURSELF WHY YOU WANT THAT JUNK FOOD AND WHY DO YOU LET IT GET IN THE WAY OF YOUR GOALS. EVERY TIME YOU CAVE IN TO YOUR CRAVINGS YOU BECOME A WEAKER PERSON, BOTH IN BODY AND SPIRIT.

>IF YOU WORKOUT 3-4X PER WEEK AND DO OMAW YOU CAN LOSE 40 POUNDS IN A MONTH
Extremely unlikely. Most weight is burned by metabolism and just existing. If he never ate all month and exercised fairly hard he might lose an extra half pound to a pound per week but we both know that isn't happening and he shouldnt try to push himself that had.

Don't know exactly at the moment because I only weigh in every 7 days. I started at 213 pounds/96 kg.

After 7 days, 198.4/89.9 KG

14 days, 190.6/ 86.4 kg

Definitely lighter now judging by how I feel and look.

Hungry though lol

Suggestions. I am coming off multiple back to back 5+ day fast.

I didn't think I would be able to either, but we'll see. I'm not doing HIIT or anything. Very basic lifting routine with some jiggle jogging light cardio.

I worked out, albeit very lightly, today and it felt OK. I think I could have gone a bit harder. Just testing the waters this week. I'll report back to the thread with results after the end of next week when I try doing my full routine.

Honestly though, I feel fantastic. I think I can and not going to force it if I can't.

Great progress dude
Keep it up

here
I've been doing zero carb to maintain weight loss. Do you recommend sticking with that? And should I drink snake juice at all or just use the salts on my food?

water fasting, final destination: 48 hours gone by
??? to go
I have a headache and maybe the flu or someshit similar
I also have a metallic taste in my mouth
thanks for reading my blog

>IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE AND YOU'LL REGRET IT EVEN MORE THE LONGER YOU WAIT.
>ASK YOURSELF WHY YOU WANT THAT JUNK FOOD AND WHY DO YOU LET IT GET IN THE WAY OF YOUR GOALS. EVERY TIME YOU CAVE IN TO YOUR CRAVINGS YOU BECOME A WEAKER PERSON, BOTH IN BODY AND SPIRIT.
I know caps user, its hard right now but its going to be worth it.

19 days in. I've lifted 5-6 days a week. You can do it just hydrate a lot and get that salt in ya.

If you can do it then best of luck to you. I don't want to discourage you. But fasting gets harder and harder. If you aren't keto yet then working out isn't going to be comparable to working out when you are keto fasted. If you stress yourself too hard early you'll quit. I am just suggesting you pace yourself. Try fasting for a week. See how you feel. And then slowly start adding in exercises. You're in it for the long haul and going to be feeling bad for a long time. I say this because I've been basically doing what you want to do for 5 weeks and lost 35 pounds. This is working out 2 times a week. I would have tried 3 or 4 but I could barely walk a quarter of a mile before tiring out.

Thanks man, I'm tryin.

user are you Cole?

That's quite impressive and yeah, even on the light lifting I got thirsty QUICK. That's why I'm just testing things out this week to feel it out.

I've actually been fasting already just really starting to get some results now. Admittedly I did eat a bit too much on my keto day but it didn't break the bank. I've done a two week fast in the past and there was no way I could have worked out, but so far this is a really good feeling compared to that.

If I have to walk for exercise I will. I'd be happy with 35lbs, 45 is mostly a stretch goal. Like you said I'm slowly adding workouts and will try to pace as much as possible. Today super light nothing, tomorrow the same but different muscle group, just going through the motions before pushing any further.

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YOU'RE ON DAY 19, YOU CAN EAT WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT AT THIS POINT. HAVE YOU BEEN DOING ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE CREATING YOUR HUNGER RESPONSE? ARE YOU LEAN?
YOU CAN TRY PUSHING IT ANOTHER DAY AND WAIT UNTIL YOU GET INSOMNIA, BUT IF YOU FEEL LIKE ABSOLUTE SHIT ON DAY 19, HAVE A REFEED.

>Extremely unlikely.
HE CAN TRY.
>If he never ate all month and exercised fairly hard he might lose an extra half pound to a pound per week
HE CAN LOSE MUCH MORE THAN AN EXTRA POUND PER WEEK IF HE LIFTS.
>he shouldnt try to push himself that had.
WHY NOT? HE'S 245 POUNDS, NOT 180.

>Honestly though, I feel fantastic. I think I can and not going to force it if I can't.
GOOD, DON'T LET ANYBODY ELSE TELL YOU OTHERWISE.

IF YOU DECIDE TO BULK, I RECOMMEND CARB LOADING. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO WAY YOU CAN COMPARE LIFTING ON FULL MUSCLE GLYCOGEN VS A CARBLESS DIET. FOR PERSPECTIVE, *EVERY* TOP LEVEL ATHLETE EATS CARBS AND FOR GOOD REASON.
AS FOR SNAKE JUICE, ONLY DRINK SOME IF YOU NEED THE ELECTROLYTES. YOU CAN DEFINITELY PUT THE SALTS ON YOUR FOOD, BUT POTASSIUM IS USUALLY THE LIMITING FACTOR IN PEOPLE'S DIETS, SO KEEP TRACK OF YOUR INTAKE OF BOTH SODIUM AND POTASSIUM AND ALSO HOW YOU FEEL THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

CONQUER YOUR WEAKNESS AND YOU CONTROL YOUR LIFE.

>YOU'RE ON DAY 19, YOU CAN EAT WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT AT THIS POINT. HAVE YOU BEEN DOING ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE CREATING YOUR HUNGER RESPONSE? ARE YOU LEAN?
>YOU CAN TRY PUSHING IT ANOTHER DAY AND WAIT UNTIL YOU GET INSOMNIA, BUT IF YOU FEEL LIKE ABSOLUTE SHIT ON DAY 19, HAVE A REFEED.
What does the insomnia indicate?

Why is ASV and lemon juice good on an extended fast?

Follow up question: Ive been working out at about 50-60% 5-6 times a week.

I'm actually pretty lean but still have that lower abdomen fat and some love handles. Is it possible the working out is spiking my cortisol and storing stomach fat?

WHEN YOU HAVE BROKEN ASS SLEEP OR YOU CAN'T SLEEP AT ALL, YOUR BODY GOES IN TO FIGHT OR FLIGHT, CRANKING UP YOUR CORTISOL HORMONE SO YOU STAY UP AND GO HUNT FOR FOOD. I ALSO THINK THIS IS WHEN YOUR BODY STARTS TO EAT AWAY AT MUSCLE FOR ENERGY (SOMETHING IT TRIES NOT TO DO AS LONG AS YOU HAVE BODY FAT TO SPARE).
IN THE PAST, COLE WOULD BREAK HIS FAST WITH A GARLIC TOE SO HE CAN GO TO SLEEP, BUT EVENTUALLY IT WOULD STOP WORKING AND HE'D END UP HAVING TO REFEED. SOMETHING YOU CAN CONSIDER SINCE YOU MIGHT BE NEAR THAT POINT.

BOTH BREAK UP KIDNEY STONES AND BOTH ARE GOOD FOR YOUR LIVER. I FORGOT EXACTLY WHAT IT DOES FOR YOUR LIVER BUT YOU CAN GOOGLE THIS SHIT.

POSSIBLY. AT THIS POINT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO SHORTER FASTS WITH INTENSE GYM TIME, BUT IF YOU CAN, FAST LONGER TO BURN AS MUCH BODY FAT AS POSSIBLE. HOWEVER, TAKE MY WORD WITH A GRAIN OF PINK SALT SINCE I PERSONALLY HAVEN'T GOTTEN PAST THIS POINT YET. I'M STILL WORKING ON LOOSE SKIN AND LOWER BELLY FAT WHILE TRYING TO BULK AT THE SAME TIME, SO COLE MIGHT BE YOUR BEST SOURCE FOR NOW.

Bless you CAPSANON. Can I ask what your stats are since our situations sound similar? Are you just doing OMAD at this point?

6' HOVERING AROUND 184 POUNDS.
I'M DOING OMAD SINCE I GO TO THE GYM 6 TIMES A WEEK ON A PPLPPLX ROUTINE. EVERYDAY I EAT TO THE POINT WHERE I NEARLY THROW UP (ABOUT 5 POUNDS OF DENSE FOOD) AND WORKOUT JUST ENOUGH TO WHERE I'M SORE FOR 1-2 DAYS.
I'VE BEEN HAVING TO CARBLOAD EVERYDAY THIS WEEK BECAUSE I FELT FLAT AS FUCK LAST WEEK, BUT I MAY BE OVERLOADING SO I MIGHT HAVE TO CUT BACK ON THE CARBS A BIT. SINCE I'VE BEEN CARB LOADING THOUGH, I FEEL LIKE I HAVE DOUBLE THE FUCKING STRENGTH, IT'S PRETTY WILD HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE IT MAKES.
I'LL BE POSTING UPDATED PICTURES THIS SUNDAY AS A MONTHLY ACCOUNTABILITY/PROGRESS THING FOR MYSELF AND OTHERS TO CRITICIZE.

I will be standing by for those specs! Congrats bro, I know it's been a long time coming for you.

And hey, eating until youre sick once a day is better than not eating for 28 days lol.

every time I come here I am astounded that caps lock pseudo tripfag is still around and not shamed into being user.

FUCK YOU CAPS FAGGOT

also what are your refeeds generally consist of. anything fun?

Is 48 hours long enough to bother with ACV and lemon juice (I don't have access to snake juice ingredients at the moment)? Been comfortably doing the odd 16 hours with just water whenever it's convenient and am well accustomed to skipping meals.

Anyone every tried ADD meds while fasting?

I'M EATING BIG TO TRAIN MYSELF TO EAT EVEN BIGGER.

NOT REALLY ANYTHING EXCITING, JUST SMALL CHANGES.
I GOT SHILLED BY TUFANO IN TO TRYING CANNED COD LIVER IN ITS OWN OIL AND IT'S FUCKING DELICIOUS, BEEN EATING MORE BEEF LIVER SINCE I FOUND CALF LIVER AT SPROUTS, AND I MAKE MY OWN BONE BROTH WITH RANDOM SHIT THROWN IN IT. MY MAIN PROTEIN SOURCE HAS RECENTLY BECOME RAW BEEF ROUND EYE DUE TO ITS RELATIVELY CHEAP COST AND LEAN PROFILE. 6 RAW EGGS EVERY DAY, 8 OZ OF RAW MILK EVERYDAY (TODAY I HAD 16OZ), AND RECENTLY SWEET POTATOES EVERYDAY.

I CAN VOUCH FOR RAW MILK'S EFFECT ON MAKING MY ALLERGIES MUCH BETTER. I HAD ALSO THOUGHT I WAS LACTOSE INTOLERANT, BUT THAT ONLY APPLIES TO PASTEURIZED MILK IT SEEMS.

never skip your meds
not even for fasting, it doesn't matter if they have a miserable amount of calories or whatever, you need them

48S ARE STILL GOOD FOR THE BENEFITS OF ACV AND LEMON JUICE. I THINK THE MINIMUM IS 24 HOURS.

Can fasting get rid of man boobs?

I love having suicidal thoughs because I'm never really gonna heal my psoriasis or be able to eat my favorite foods to make it just a little bit less red.
I just loved losing my hs/teenage years to this shit and developing all sorts of anxieties and depression.
>at least you don't have cancer
Yeah I know but I don't care. Fuck them and fuck you.

How's your dry fast going boys?

fuck this kike lol
I dropped the meds cold turkey durring engineering finals and got by fine. It's all will power and training your focus.
Daily meds are never good and will only fuck you more in the long run.

How can a person be on a fasting general, dedicated to the health benefits of your bodies natural self repair, and still go full pharma?
I guess this proves fasting can't cure retardation.

Thank you based capsbro.

dude you're aschwitz, you don't need to fast. you're gonna waste your noob gains like that. On top of that, you're going to see nothing when you cut down. PPL is fine if you're going to gym 6 days a week, and only the linear progressive one on reddit. Trust dude, I wasted time with coolcicada's PPL while I was cutting at 145lbs/5'10". Just maintance or even a slow bulk (+250 cals).

Stop getting quick fixes from quick food. None of your junk food took long to prepare. Have a meal waiting for you after gym that’s wholesome so you can retrain your brain against the lull of druggy food. Learn to cook or meal prep.

Now you have to pay for what you did with fasting. Keep this shit mentioned in mind from now on.

t. someone without a chronic disease that requires daily meds
shove your happy pills up your butt

>lmao why didn't people in 1300~ just fast 4Head
>you've got a serious heart condition? lmao just drop the meds and fast 4Head
>I swear fasting cures mental disorders! I've read it on Jow Forums

muscle comes back easily, just fast fatty

is ACV and lemon juice necessary on a long fast? like 20+ days long

92 hours

fuuuckkk bros this is getting hard

456 hours, only thing getting hard is my stomach!

only as needed. Ive done three teaspoons at different times on this 19 day fast. Aiming for 28. I just do the ACV when my stomach hurts. Carbonated water usually solves all that too. I dont personally do lemon juice because of the sugars and calories

Where's the guy who was checking in every day? He was on day 18 I think.

yeah i can only find lemon juice and acv with calories and shit so i think i'll skip it

that's me, i'm on 19 now

Day 19
Height 176cm / 5'9
Starting: 103.5 kg / 228 lbs
Current: 90.8kg / 200 lbs

>No Food February

I’m 183lbs (5’10) with a ton of loose skin from losing 150lbs and a huge gut. I’m going to try to fast all the way through February to drop in weight and lose some of the skin.

What exercises should I do daily to maintain muscle?

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Me from last year I stopped after this and pretty much hovered from 160-170 since then. The most I went was 8 days before a refeed usually 4-5.

Back at it on day 3 so far, too lazy to take another pic since I just got off work but really motivated to finish going to try for a 30 day fast if I need to wish me luck bros.

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How? I feel so lethargic.

drink your snake juice son!

Does it get easier? I just hit 94 hours.

In my experience day 5+ sucks worse which is usually when I run out of carbs but it doesn't really get worse after that

>day 5+

Are you saying it takes you that long to get into ketosis? Holy shit. I'm just so lethargic. I just weighed in at 75kg exactly.

Depends on if you work out or not. If I'm not working out I usually show some very light color on the strips by day 3

I think I'd faint and crack my head if I fasted. If I don't eat for like 18 hours I start getting blurry vision and have to squat down to maintain blood to muh brain.

Can doing OMAD (but still going above 1500cal each day) damage by metabolism?

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Sounds like you have some health issues going on, diabetes? Or you drinking straight water and not snake juice?

Just starting out and I decided I want to be hardcore and go for a 48hour dry fast.

When I’m done what should I do, eat keto or snake juice?

I've been fasting for 16 hours and feel perfectly fine. It's flu season here and the it's apparently pretty bad so I won't be doing a multi-day fast but will try and make a habit of OMAD in the next 5-10 days, and then try doing 3-day fasts.
I'm around 5'10, 185lbs. Judging by my dad who has the same bone and muscle structure as well as height, but is a runner and lean as can be, I'm carrying at least 20lbs of excess weight, so I guess 160-165lbs is my long-term goal.
I've scoured the threads but it's pretty difficult to find examples of /fast/ers who are neither Jow Forums bros who are trying to shed the last several pounds of fat, nor fatsos. Will keep you guys poster, and this thread shitposted.

Sounds like an excuse to me

>Fast
>eat keto meal
>Throw up immediately
Feelsweridman

Should I do resistance training during a fast, wouldn't muscle be consumed and I'd end up skinny fat?

you don't break fasts with hard food. this is a basic fasting rule. no hard starches or meats or dense fats or pasteurized homogenized shit. your body needs easy to digest things like lemon water or fruit the first few times because its not used to being treated like a garbage disposal yet.

Imagine being this retarded/uninformed

Thanks for the shit advice retard
I've broken 3 week fasts with hard food no problem especially with something way worse than keto

96 hours bros. 4 days. New record.

Can we convince the caps retard to put on a trip so we could filter him?

Learn regular expressions.

The IDM clinic says it does. Not many clinical tests done though.

how long are your fasts?

This one was a 3 day dry then 3 day sj fast

ok. Well on my first few 4-5 day fasts I would almost shit my pants when I ate but now I just take a monstrous shit the next day after I eat. non-keto though. Gonna take the keto plunge starting today.

after a three week fast do you still eat solid? I always wondered because ancient man might go a few weeks without eating. Did he get super sick when he ate again? or did people have more knowledge about fasting back then?

>IT ALSO CONTAINS SOME ANTINUTRIENTS.
Hehe. Almost every plantfood does.
>I'D AVOID COCOA:
>io9.gizmodo.com/i-fooled-millions-into-thinking-chocolate-helps-weight-1707251800
That article is an indictment of the Jewish mainstream fake news media and of academic journals, but it says nothing about cocoa being good or bad for you.
Also, I don't eat chocolate bars. I use raw cocoa powder, which has zero sugar, some healthy fats, and a good amount of protein. Also no onions lecithin or any other questionable additives.
>THAT'S WHERE I GET CONFLICTED VIEWS. POWERLIFTERS SAY 5ISH, I JUST RECENTLY HEARD FROM ANOTHER user ABOUT RPE, AND I CAN'T SEEM TO GET A CONCRETE ANSWER.
When you hit a plateau, use low-rep (i.e. high RPE) exercises to boost your nervous system's strength, so that in a later session you can use higher weight when training in the hypertrophic range.

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