Is this exercise a meme or not...

lmao

Do them on floor, not on a bench. If you go too low you might fuck your shoulders

too soon

No. and the only way you'll ruin your elbows is doing them wrong, keep your arm bent and rigid, it is not some kind of curl, you don't feel it in your arms.

just an okay accessory , it's used because it works the other function of the chest which is abduction , also doing them with cables is much much better than dumbbells because of constant tension

Like other posters said, good accessory for BB/DB bench. Allows you to work the full range of the chest in a way that barbell can't (full extension blocked by bar hitting chest, full contraction stopped by grip width), so it's good for those extremes.
And I don't care what other fags say, it has value for biceps. If you do them like your pic (arm very slightly bent) and maintain that slight bend through the whole motion, it strengthens your bicep at full extension, which can be a weak spot for people who didn't start out doing full-range curls 'cause they were retarded.

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>Allows you to work the full range of the chest
It doesnt do that at all actually, since the gravity pushes down on the top part of the ROM and thus most of the tension is lost. I think what you are trying to say is that it allows you to work the bottom part of a the ROM somewhat harder than other chest exercises.

What this guy said

why all the jeffposting itt? are they really that bad for your shoulders?

I do it with an slight incline on the seat then super set to lat pulls. Good after benching.

Fugggg godeem :DDDD

Do it on the floor to prevent fucking your shoulder. Floor flyes also allow you to significantly up the weight used
>t. Guy that fucked his shoulder

It's a nice exercise to mire my biceps in the mirror

What is the difference between DB Flys and pec deck machine?

Pec deck maintains constant tension, while flies get progressively easier the higher you go because of the angle.

Great for hypertrophy if you do them very strict and deep. Pointless if you do them with really bent arms and basically press out the weight.

>because of the angle.
Just turn your arms so that you can keep the weight at your side

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It's not bad, Jeff said he doesn't do it because of the chance of hurting your shoulder if you fail a rap and have to drop the weight. He and others I listened prefer doing it on the floor.

Not a meme and actually quite useful for bench strength. Cable flyes are better but if you add them to your program understand that you'll end up doing dumbbell flyes some days because the cable station at most gyms is constantly occupied. If you have to do dumbbell flyes, take a 25lb plate and put it under the front legs of a flat bench before you do them. This'll add a slight decline to the movement that will be easier on your shoulders and engage the pecs more.

Don't do flyes on an actual decline bench. You'll quickly get the sensation that your head is about to explode.

Ye either on the floor or on the cable crossover

Piana liked them with cables or a machine.

wtf is this

Jeff is also retarded. His advice is terrible. Don't do them with retarded weight and you'll be fine. Doing them on the floor is like quarter squatting because you're afraid you'll hurt your back if you go full depth.

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Chest fly. I have double-jointed elbows.

>Benches 700lbs, does these on floor all the time

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gave me the worst tendinitis of my life, so I had to stop

I did feel like it was working though

>elbows bent and on the floor
At that point it's not even a flye, just some weird curl.

Chest Flys should only be done with cables. Constant tension, more fluid movement and doesnt fuck up your tendons next to working the muscle better.

it's the only exercise that I can feel hits chest hard
presses take ages to feel for some reason

That's how you do it, if you flair out your arms, you deserve shoulder impingement due to extreme moment arm.

Works better with barbells desu

This

What does this face convey?

Um, no sweetie. Moment arm isn't going to cause shoulder impingment. Either the movement compromises the shoulder, or it doesn't. Increased weight (and a bigger moment arm increases the effective weight) will make it worse, but a compromised movement is a compromised movement. Flyes are not compromised unless you go full retard ROM. Doing it on a floor will eliminate the ability to get full ROM unless you have embarrassing shoulder mobility. Using such an extreme bend at the elbow will eliminate most of the work the pec is able to do, as the dumbell will only rise a few inches, and will severely restrict the other end of your ROM. They should be performed on a bench with a slight bend, the bend is strictly to protect the tendons in your arm and you should only use as much bend as you need to be able to hold the weight with your muscles, starting with the bells directly over your shoulders. Your arms should lower, without changing the angle at the elbow, until you feel a stretch in your chest, if you feel pain in your shoulder, you went full retard. Then the movement is reversed, again without changing the angle of the elbow. Ideally, they should be performed with cables or a machine to maintain constant tension.
>actually listening to Jeff "buy my supps" Cavaliere

constipation?

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hulk did them, he might know something

go to 14:00, talks about form too
youtube.com/watch?v=iAQpH76WstQ

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How do I into hard core joint hyper extension?

me on the left at 12:42

yeah sure and look where they both ended up

I like them a lot, but cable fly's are better and safer. There's a lot of bro science on this board about them, but they're perfectly safe just like any other lift if you don't fuck around.

Problem with not curling your arms is that you'd have to lower the weight to such amount that it becomes negligible. Also, doing it on bench, you'd get bigger stretch with curled arms.
I've yet to see him promoting his supplements and even if he did, that doesn't negate his opinion.

I never do dumbbell exercises over my head

hehe

Just fuck my rotator cuff up