Any other vegans logged in?

Proud vegan here.

(Having some trouble with my teeth though)
youtube.com/watch?v=4nf7wAMwfrw

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Vegans are wrong.

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Cared enough to reply

Explain the relevance

There is no relevance.
What's even the point of pointing out that humans have the same stomach pH as carnivores if humans are ominvores.

Ooooh you're fucking pissing me off, get the fuck off my board you flaming faggot

They're called canines and we all of em you flaming faggot

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^ needs to get laid

Hello fellow vegan, how does your onions taste today? I haven't had a shit in the past 4 days either

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omnivore diet would still look like a mostly plant based diet, just with the occasional meat/ fish refeed. Since plant sources of food are objectively better for you than animal sources, just try to eat as clean as you can and then have a meat meal maybe after the gym or whatever

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Vegan diet gave me the greatest shits of my life. Every morning at the same time on the dot you have a really clean bowel movement that takes like 5 seconds and you barely need to wipe because your fiber intake is so high.

user, don't you know what fiber is?

I know but any report from a vegan points towards not shitting daily which is very strange.
>youtu.be/xqUO4P9ADI0
This video contains a study around 3:10 that illustrates my point, you can find many more studies that contain similar findings and plenty of anecdotes from vegans. Might be a transitional thing but it's very strange that they seems to miss bowel movements with such high fibre intakes

In what way are plant foods better? The only thing they do better is destroy peoples gut health

How is deviating from the norm an NPC thing?

You ever meet a vegan who wasn't an NPC?

>plagueofstrength.com/vegetarianism-and-veganism-bes/
>plagueofstrength.com/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as/
>lloydianaspects.co.uk/opinion/veggie.html
>thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegetarians-unhealthy-mentally-disturbed-says-new-research-33067
>plagueofstrength.com/the-war-on-coffee-and-common-sense-or/

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>time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
>thefreelibrary.com/Meat in the human diet: an anthropological perspective-a0169311689
>livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html
>livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html
>ttps://carta.anthropogeny.org/moca/topics/smalllarge-intestine-length-ratio
>People who read books know a fact that vegetarians do not- that at one point in history, the Earth's total population of humans dropped to between 5,000 and 10,000 individuals, due to the eruption of Mt. Toba in Sumatra, which killed off most of the available plant and animal life on Earth in 71,000 BC. During this period of time, humans were confined to an extraordinarily small area of Africa that escaped glaciation, where they subsisted on a diet that was "approximately 50-70% meat and 50-30% plants, respectively." This diet was necessitated by the die-off of plants and animals, and the lack of a varied diet that could have been otherwise obtained though plant gathering. It was at this time that the Neanderthal diet came to consist of naught but meat, due to the complete lack of availability of edible vegetation, which likely lasted for at least 1000 years.(Plants/climate) "
>plagueofstrength.com/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as/

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>Since plant sources of food are objectively better for you than animal sources
>authoritynutrition.com/7-nutrients-you-cant-get-from-plants/
>authoritynutrition.com/5-muscle-nutrients-in-animal-foods/
>authoritynutrition.com/5-brain-nutrients-in-meat-fish-eggs/
>dailyhealthpost.com/4-brain-nutrients-found-only-in-meat-fish-and-eggs-not-plants/
>Animals store vitamin B12 in liver and muscle and some pass the vitamin into their eggs and milk; meat, liver, eggs and milk are therefore sources of the vitamin for other animals, including people.[5][7][25] For humans, the bioavailability from eggs is less than 9%, compared to 40% to 60% from fish, fowl and meat.[26] Insects are a source of B12 for animals (including other insects and humans).[25][27]
>Animal sources with a significant content of vitamin B12 (range among top 20 sources of 50 to 99 µg per 100 grams)[28] include clams, organ meats (especially liver) from lamb, veal, beef, and turkey, fish eggs, mackerel, and crab meat.[4][5]
>There are no naturally occurring notable vegetable dietary sources of the vitamin
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12#Animal_sources

>plagueofstrength.com/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is/
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3529694/#!po=57.9365
>suppversity.blogspot.de/2016/10/latest-study-shows-that-33-gkg-high.html
>ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127
>breakingmuscle.com/healthy-eating/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health

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>canines tho
>not even longer than strong teeth

the absolute state of meatcuck coping

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Vegans are NPCs because they follow dogma unquestioningly.

That's why they come out with weird conclusions like.
>Humans are frugovores
>Meat causes Cancer/Diabetes
>Dietary cholesterol is bad, even though the body produces most cholesterol by itself
>Processed meat and Grass Fed Beef are the same thing
>Eating meat is unnatural because we use tools instead of teeth/claws to hunt

show me a study that proves we are obligate omnivores

show me a study that proves we are obligate frugovores

herbivores is what we are

and the fact that vegans are on average healthier than meat eaters
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4191896/

Your study shows pesco-vegetarians have a lower mortality rate

because there hasn't been any real studies on veganism, but this is a population study that counts for lifestyle variables and the outcome is that the vegetarians lived longer

lets see your population study that meat eaters live longer

because there hasn't been any real studies on eating only grass fed meat and nose to tail eating.

We know the Standard American Diet is shit, this doesn't mean all meat is bad. it just means the SAD is bad. Funnily enough not many calories in the SAD comes from meat, and any meat they do have will be shit quality

>because there hasn't been any real studies on veganism
You keep moving the goalposts, do you notice that?
>Frugovore
>Herbivore
Here's a study that shows we're herbivores
>No wait there hasn't been a study on veganism even though vegans were in that study
>Let's see your study about a claim you didn't make

i mean, is factory meat different from grass fed? its fortified with extra vitamins but i dont think its so different besides that

do you have any proof that being grass fed changes the meat substantially enough?

the study shows that vegetarians live longer than meat eaters, and what separates vegans from vegetarians is milk and eggs
either way a diet without meat is proven to be healthier

No grass in a factory.

They're fed s--o--y instead

i get that, and i asked if you had proof that changes the quality of the meat so drastically that it would have lower cholesterol and saturated fat

>i mean, is factory meat different from grass fed?
You haven't thought about this at all have you?
Feeding animals s 0 y/omega6 oils makes their own animal tissues unsaturated/high in omega 6.
Feeding them corn makes the meat taste like shit, and also makes the animal ill.

>the study shows that vegetarians live longer than meat eaters
It shows pesco-vegetarians live longer
Is fish an animal product or not? I happen to think Calorie Restriction has more to do with longevity than people think

Also almost anything is better than the Standard American Diet, it doesn't prove meat is bad it proves the SAD is bad. Do you understand?
>either way a diet without meat is proven to be healthier
This hasn't happened, you're making faulty assumptions

>lower cholesterol and saturated fat
This is begging the question, dietary cholesterol and saturated fats aren't bad.

Demonstrate how saturated fats/dietary cholesterol intake leads to high LDL levels?
You can't because most, if not all LDL is created by the body itself

SAD is all milk and meat.

Go to the shop and pick out a junk food that doesn't have milk.

Pizza, Crisps, Cookies, e.t.c.

Every junk food has milk in it.

SAD is milk. Milk is unhealthy, Eggs are unhealthy.

99% of SAD is animal based. Except maybe if a person eats bread that has no milk in it.

And teeth

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Fish is the only healthy meat.

Eskimos improve their health when on SAD. This proves that even SAD is better than most keto diets.

You're lying or stupid.
Pick any chart on the SAD you want, don't agree with mine
You'r wrong whatever way you choose

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>Eskimos improve their health when on SAD. This proves that even SAD is better than most keto diets.
What planet are you living on?
Eskimos are suddenly dying of 'Western' diseases after jumping on the SAD

Milk is good for you goy. All the processed modern garbage that you mentioned may or may not contain milk, but it's not the milk at fault.

Plain raw milk alone by itself is healthy. Please return to your vegan Rabbit food you eternal cukk.

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The average american eats stuff loaded with Dairy everyday. Everything they eat has dairy in it.

Processed foods have dairy in it. Americans aren't eating a ton of processed foods that are vegan.

Its impossible to even get processed vegan food in most shops.

Lets face it Americans are eating about 50% of their diet is meat, 40% is dairy, 10% is bread.

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So humans aren't herbivores?
We got there eventually

>Lets face it Americans are eating about 50% of their diet is meat, 40% is dairy, 10% is bread.
This isn't true you sped

Compare this to what the Average Japanese person eats.

Look at that vegetables, fruits, rice. Actually healthy meats.

No pizza that is full of cheese.

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Your moving the goalposts again you fucking retard.
No one is talking about processed food, you wanted to talk about meat. When you were proved wrong about the SAD you want to talk about something else.

This is why vegans are NPCs

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>all that meat
>all that lack of meat

Meat isn't healthy. The countries with the highest consumption of meat are also the fattest.

Just saying that look at SAD, its just meat and dairy. Everyone is fat in America.

You go to the japan, everyone just eats vegetables, fruits and sometimes fish.

Fish is the only healthy meat.

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Japanese people eat fuckton of pork. You dont know shit

>shown facts and graphs and logic
>"K-keep moving the goalpost. I've only had three heart attacks and two strokes thanks to meat, how many have you had??"

Meatcucks get so mad when shown logic

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Do this map again but for seed oils, sugar and grains
Processed meat and high quality animals products aren't the same thing you dishonest fuck.

>Just saying that look at SAD, its just meat and dairy
It's not
I guarantee you Japs eat more meat/fish as fraction of daily calories than Americans

There's been no logic or consistency here on the part of your vegan friend

Alright, then show your proof meat is healthy

btfo us with your superior case studies and science, senpai

Read through the thread maybe? I don't need to prove anything to you.
The only study that might show that is the 7 Day Adventist study that shows pesco vegetarians have a lower mortality rate than vegans.

>Starvation cult
>Logic
>Science

OK bro lol
youtube.com/watch?v=p6JBICT9OQ4

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cope more meatfag

>"I don't need to prove anything to you."
as expected

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Cringe

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tell me more about this starvation diet?

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Hell yeah! Been vegan 1 year now. I was a little concerned with the rapid muscle loss at first, but then roids helped. Plus I can keep the weight (Oreos are vegan!!) with processed foods. Lost my first tooth a week ago lol, little old for the tooth fairy, but hey, do I want to have a possible heart attack from a meat based diet (fuck data that says that’s bullshit, just the joos trying to shill), or no teeth? Not really a hard choice there guys!

Please stay vegan when you start falling apart like Nathan Pritiken??

> look how great veganism is!!
>Buy my books goy!!
>Suicide two years later his health was a disaster lol
youtube.com/watch?v=qOj4rzSkqok

Tell me more about your vegan teeth?

youtube.com/watch?v=4nf7wAMwfrw

You're mixing up your anons.
Baboumian has meme records in meme completions, he holds no world records. Is not a lifetime vegan and is getting weaker every year

Remember as your teeth fall out, were doing this for the animals, my our own vanity, so losing a few teeth is nothing compared to the suffering of animals. Vegan strong!! (Lost four teeth already myself on whole foods plant based diet)

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>Not our own vanity.

Slightly losing my eyesight as well, but it's a small price to pay for reducing animal suffering.

w0w i can link youtube vids too
youtube.com/watch?v=duqcbJbElo4

shit man i just googled vegan bodybuilder

want to debate the ethics of veganism vs a carnist diet my dude?

>Chokes to death on sawdust burger

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>implying being 3% of the population makes you a shill

keep coping, snowfake meatcuck

>I slaughter countless millions of animals with chemical pesticides and intensive cultivation methods.

I know. Then you screaming about how much you love animals. You're insane.

theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

>shit man i just googled vegan bodybuilder
Hahaha, oh you're just memeing on me. I respek that.
Enjoy having it out with LinkAnon I'm going to shove psyllium husks down my throat until I shit paper

Gotta get up Nathan Pritiken. Promise me that you stay Vegan right up to your suicide like the sickly Pritiken??

Bye

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Citation pls

so appealing to futility? because you cant do something 100% you shouldnt do it at all?

well guess you shouldnt drive cars because you might hit a pedestrian

have a good one

>Animal vitamins such as A & D are essential for bone/teeth health and will never be found in plants
>vitamin A
>never found in plants

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Literally. Have you had the vegan burgers at borough market user? I try and get one once every 1.5 weeks or so as a treat after completing each microcycle on my routine, but girlfriend hasnt wanted to go into london proper for a while.

So you consider anemia, sugar addiction, low bmi, reduced fertility, high estrogen.. etc etc healthy? Well den.

> Comparing the optimal method of raising cattle to the least optimal method of harvesting crop

Have a blog post for a blog post
bitesizevegan.org/bite-size-vegan-nuggets/qa/do-vegans-kill-more-animals-than-meat-eaters/

Vitamin A and D are found in non-animal products.

Pls update your youtubes

Is plant-based protein any good for bulking up?

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Plant based protein contains all the amino acids you need to build muscle user.

With none of the heart attack causing cholesterol and saturated fat.

>pH is what determines what we can and should eat
>Its not the bacterial profile as well
>Salivary pH doesn't play a role
>Colon size and structure is irrelevant
>Mode of digestion of different food stuffs doesn't matter
>Degree of mastication of food before it enters stomach is irrelevant

Nice try but this isnt much of an argument. Its just a statement of fact with no application or studies proving your claim. It's like saying "the sky is blue" ...and what?

Cholesterol and saturated fat are good for your body you stupid fucking faggot.

Based retard blogposter returns. As in every other vegan thread, as soon as you show up the omnis and carnivores loose the arguement immediately, whether they have good points or not. You're a fuckwit mate, get some better sources.

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AHAHAHAHAHAH

There's literally 0 evidence cholesterol/ sat fat causes heart disease, you brainwashed NPC.

News flash, literally all the cells of your body are 60% cholesterol membrane.

Testosterone is made from cholesterol.

Hardening of the arteries is caused by too much sugar in your fucking diet.

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>With none of the heart attack causing cholesterol and saturated fat.
How do the above turn into LDL?

>With none of the heart attack causing cholesterol and saturated fat.
>Contrary to popular belief, consuming a higher amount of fat (about 35 per cent of energy) is associated with a lower risk of death compared to lower intakes. However, a diet high in carbohydrates (of more than 60 per cent of energy) is related to higher mortality, although not with the risk of cardiovascular disease.
>The research on dietary fats found that they are not associated with major cardiovascular disease, but higher fat consumption was associated with lower mortality; this was seen for all major types of fats (saturated fats, polyunsaturated fats and mono unsaturated fats), with saturated fats being associated with lower stroke risk. The researchers point out that, while this may appear surprising to some, these new results are consistent with several observational studies and randomized controlled trials conducted in Western countries during the last two decades.
>The large new study, when viewed in the context of most previous studies, questions the conventional beliefs about dietary fats and clinical outcomes, says Mahshid Dehghan, the lead author for the study and an investigator at PHRI.
>sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170829091027.htm
>authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
>chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>uib.no/en/node/103172
>healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
>bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
>press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>suppversity.blogspot.de/2014/05/bcfa-gut-health-immunity-cancer.html

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>cholesterol

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Pic related is what these threads always devolve into

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