This is 3 years of natty lifting LOOOOOOOOOOL

either your diet is shit
your routine is shit
or you have suicide tier genetics my dude...lmao yeah go roid if you want 3 years? that shits embarassing

Steroids wont fix your chest mate, that is Just shitty genetics

post glutes

you will because natty lifting is a meme and 9.5/10 guys that actually look good are on gear.
i do, i cant progress.
ive done drop sets ive done half reps, ive done lower weight more reps, ive done heavier weight fewer reps, i always go to failure, but the first few months i didnt.
chest for example I do pushups for warmup sets with a weight vest, weighted dips, bench, incline dumbbell press, flies, cable flies.

doesnt fucking mean god damn shit its worthless. my chest is garbage

Here’s what happened here. This dude is either lying, on meme diets like keto or vegan, or is doing retard routine

You forgot to eat, dumbass

>FUD cope

You don't even look like you lift at all lmao

Don't blame this on natty lifting though, you definetly screwed something up big time. If your training and diet was on point you would have looked better than this after 6 months. You probably didn't listen to Rich Piana and didn't eat enough.

neither of those.
my diet consists of 6 eggs in the morning with oatmeal 2 bananas and a bagel.
lunch is 3 cups of brown rice and 1 can of beans and 2 peanut butter sandwiches with 6 servings of peanut butter on each (over 1300 calories alone).
i eat 2 chicken breast and 4 cups of broccoli and organic greek yogurt.
i eat better than 98% of everyone on this board. im only 5'7 and am eating well over 4500 calories per day.
my newest routine i am doing mostly 3x5 for heavy lifts like bench and squat, I do bodyweight til failure like chinups, pullups, pushups etc...

I do an ABA workout fullbody 3 days a week now
workout A is as follows:
squat 3x5 (dropset)
Bench 3x5 (dropset)
weighted chinups 3xfailure
isolation exercise (can be whichever i want)
DB curls 3x8
incline bench 4x12
dumbbell shrugs 2xfailure
tricep kickbacks 2x failure
workout B
squats 3x5
OHP 3x5
DL 3x5
weight pullups 3xfailure
isolation exercise (usually shoulders)
sidelat raises 3xfailure
weighted dips 3xfailure

eat 300g protein+ for 6 months straight

You will still look like shit with steroids because your training / diet is shit.

If you want to look attractive, cut and tan. That will make you look better than building more muscle.

If you want to get strong, eat more.

There is absolutely no reason to use steroids when you actually have a pretty good body going all natty. Yes, you don't look like a bodybuilder, but that is out of style and won't get you chicks anyway. So long as you are tall, fairly well-off, don't have an ugly face and not completely retarded, you are near peak attractiveness. Literally the only people that care about you being big are dudes.

>im only 5'7 and am eating well over 4500 calories per day.
Maybe you have diabetes, cancer or a tapeworm

There is no way you eat this much on a daily basis and look that scrawny. Something is wrong here.

i have hyperthyroidism. maybe thats why?

Your diet is lacking. You look like you've never eaten a surplus in your life.

wrong
steroids put muscle on you without even changing your diet or physical activity
why do people keep pushing this dumb braindead meme that "roids don't do much"?
it's used in fucking livestock for fuck's sake, it's also used on plants, plant sprayed with steroids grow bigger faster

fuck off already with this fucking DUMB shit about roids not making much of a difference

>So long as you are tall
Rip OP

You don’t look like you have been lifting three years, but you look good so stop being an insecure little bitchboy

>hyperthyroidism
there you go

You're just shit, i've been lifting for a year and i look better

what are your lifts/bw? this was me at 5'8 150 160/260/320/365

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Does hyperthyroidism=high test?
t.brainlet

>it's used in fucking livestock for fuck's sake
the same lifestock that also eats concentrate food all day to grow and has to hold a about 800kg of weight on its legs

you wouldn't believe how many people roid and still look like absolute shit.

roids don't magically grow your muscles. they make you stronger, help you to recover faster and push your natural limit.

you should consider sudoku, lifting doesn't seem to be for you

im weak as fuck. i weigh 130lbs im 5'7
my bench is literally 155
my squat is 165
my ohp is like 60
i can only curl 45lbs

Unintentional weight loss is a common symptom so that sounds plausible. Have you actually been diagnosed with hyperthyroidism? If so, you should ask your doctor if this could be the reason why you are struggling to gain weight.

What program were you on?

give routine

Your diet is shit dumbfuck. You look like you weigh 150 lbs tops. Eat more, cry less.

Honestly, what did you really expect? Did you really think all those fake natties were offering anything other than false hope? Every single guy whose physique you have ever admired is on gear. (Not to mention a huge percentage of people with utterly unremarkable physiques). Welcome to reality.

You will probably look worse than that. I'm serious. Almost everyone on this board outside of /fraud/ is in for a wake up call, especially the idiots who genuinely believed guys like Scooby were natty.

This is Mr. Natural America, John Heart. He's been training for 30 years and is one of the best natural bodybuilders in the world. Most people will never have legs like this because they aren't as genetically gifted. He looks better than 99.9 percent of all natural lifters will ever look, and he still looks like complete shit compared to someone on even a low dose of AAS.

If you really want to see what average guy genetics plus 20 years of training gets you, check out Robert Cheeke's photos. Not very inspiring, is it?

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>all that low rep low set garbage

>check out Robert Cheeke's photos
>vegans can't get hu-

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well this is depressing.

surely there has to be some natties that look decent...
is pic related natty? I would settle for this

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you must be overtraining or just not pushing yourself. those are numbers you should hit within the first year. you might wanna get on SS/SL until your numbers go up and then focus more on aesthetics once you're closer to 1/2/3/4
1+2 were 5x5 til about 1.5 yrs, then switched to my own PPL until 3.

Push:
Bench: 3x5, 1xfailure with 135
OHP: 3x5
Incline DB: 3x8-10
Weighted dips: 3x12 bw or 5x5 weighted
lat raises: 3x10
Bosu ball pushups (for mad pump): 3xfailure
Handstand pushups: 3xfailure
some tricep isolation (pushdown, skullcrusher, etc.): 3x10
sometimes do decline bench: 3x10

Pull:
DL: 1x5
t-bar rows: 3x10 light or 5x5 heavy
db shrugs: 3x10
rack pulls: work up to heavy 1x5
pullups: 3x10 bw or 5x5 weighted
facepulls: 3x10
some forearm work
preacher curls/incline db curls: 3x10

Legs:
squat: 3x5
calf raises: 3x12
leg press: 3x10
sometimes hamstring curls: 3x10
can do forgotten groups after (traps, forearms, etc.)

PPLPP(L)R

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Watch out OP, you don't want to get addicted to those nasty steroids, do you?

Yes, you can get that big natty. But you need the right frame, the right muscle insertions, the right joint sizes, etc. to look really impressive naturally. See how this guy who barely has any muscle utterly mogs this roided up bodybuilder? Frame is important for everyone, but it's everything if you're natty.

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RIP me

christ that pic is soul destroying. if you have a decent face but shit frame do you just hardly train and accept being a twink?

Without roids, it's 99% genes 1% hard work

If you don't have good genes, good insertions and a wide frame, you'll look unimpressive forever as a natty lifter

With that said, pump and good lighting are the staples of bodybuilding. Everyone will look shit in bad angles and bad light

no but it means you have a much higher requirement of energy in order to maintain your mass

Eat more, you weigh very little for your height. Your bench isn't bad though imo

I literally looked like this before I started lifting. Do you eat at all?

This is why i dont lift.

Imagine wasting money and time to look completely normal

>inb4 its good for your mental help bro
Get that garbage outta here, fag

If I was born with such a feminine body I would just accept twinkhood, go streetwear, smoke and fuck art hoes or dudes.

You play with the cards you get, no matter how hard you try or cheat you'll be the same.

>I am 5'7 and i eat over 4500 calories a day
Bold-faced lie
you weigh 70kgs maximum looking like that and your tdee is definitely not over 3k. So you're eating at a 1500 calorie surplus daily and still look like a twink? Fucking liar.

>if you have a decent face but shit frame do you just hardly train and accept being a twink?
Just accept your fate and transition into a trap.

>the same livestock that also eats concentrate food all day to grow and has to hold a about 800kg of weight on its legs

it's also used on aids patients, people who can't move from bed and burn victims in order to not only preserve but grow muscle without even doing anything else
>you wouldn't believe how many people roid and still look like absolute shit.
I don't, because I have never seen anyone on actual roids that doesn't look like he's on roids, and I train in a gym filled with them who openly talk about what they take.
Every single one makes drastic changes in their body composition in the first few weeks of juicing no matter what they take, even small ammounts of anavar make a drastic difference.
>roids don't magically grow your muscles. they make you stronger, help you to recover faster and push your natural limit.
If you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't say this shit.
Roids are used to improve feed efficiency in livestock, meaning that you get more muscle from the same diet and physical activity, so yeah it does make you grow muscle "magically".
It also increases your base of muscle mass without even doing anything physical, it also makes your muscles way more sensitive to training stimulus, it also makes you preserve muscle much easier even on starvation diets
They also decrease fat accumulation without any physical activity or diet change at the same time.
>you should consider sudoku, lifting doesn't seem to be for you
go back to roideddit you roidfag nigger apologist

COPE, THE THREAD

Thats 3 years of lifting with garbage genetics and intensity most people look bette rhan that after a year

Stop posting this shitty pic. You're 100% right when you say that frame is key but this pic is deceiving, it's mostly good angles/camera lenses.

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I forgot to quote you, see

looks like you did 3 years of SS with 6-7 hours of sleep while living the college life.

>using cheat codes is an advanced technique

all about priorities, are you willing to give a few years of ur life to progress faster and look better or stay a faggot?

notice the ammount of ppl talking shit about OP but won't post body LMAO

Looking good isn't about being natty or not. Pic related is on gear and no amount of training will ever make him look as good as your pic despite the fact that he has more muscle.
Your guys have better shoulder/hips ratio so they will always mog him.

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>You're 100% right when you say that frame is key
Glad we agree. I don't apologize for posting that pic, though. It illustrates the point even if it cheats to do so.

>it's mostly good angles/camera lenses.
Yes, we agree on this as well. That's true in the abstract and basically goes without saying (or should go without saying). The guys who post shirtless pics of themselves to Instagram all day are like the girls who post pics all day: they take 20 or more photos and only choose the best one, then filter the fuck out of it. And of course they use every camera angle trick in the book.

Not to mention that guy is a facelet, wristlet and probably a manlet as well.

Steroids are just a crutch for impatient and weak-willed men.

> 30 years and still tiny arms.
Where's that study of test vs no test vs training etc... All the natties lost tricep massvon average.

natties lost tricep mass despite training?

Oh yes the pic is good in that it implies that gear can't always beat pure genetics. But I hate how it makes the guy on the right look god like when it's just photo frauding.
The message is good but the example is bad and disingenuous.

>The guys who post shirtless pics of themselves to Instagram all day are like the girls who post pics all day: they take 20 or more photos and only choose the best one, then filter the fuck out of it. And of course they use every camera angle trick in the book.

Very true. I think it's important to remind people here how easy it is to fraud with pics (even without photoshop/Adobe gains). The only thing you can really trust is videos.

I don't have a link to it but you're right. The guys who didn't lift and took test gained way more muscle than the guys who trained without test.

It's extremely easy to overtrain a small muscle group like the triceps if you are not taking any PEDs.

The fact that you think pick up stuff and putting then down is all there is to bodybuilding shows why you need the roids

Try getting as lean as him as a natty and see what happens. You lose muscle mass and whatever you have left gets flat as fuck. Guys on gear lose far less muscle and most importantly their muscles stay full of glycogen and other shit so they pop out.

Sickening, devilish trips of truth. Yes I didn't even touch on that, every study points out that face is far more important than body. That alone makes the chads turbo mog this guy for life. We don't even need to touch on heigth and other shit.

It's depressing but that's life, you can't always work your way through, you can't fix everything and play on the same level as other people despite your efforts.
BUT here's the thing: everyone can improve. We won't all get to the same level but we can all better ourselves. So you shouldn't give up.

Bullshit you eat like that while weighing that much, bull-fucking-shit

nice cherrypicking
this is john heart at his peak

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where exactly does it say that the nattiest lost tricep mass with training though?
also there is no evidence whatsoever that "overtraining" causes muscle loss on any bodypart

3years of doing one 10 min workout a week u mean.

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You look decent but you need to work shoulders and lats. It also looks like you haven't been getting enough protein. This is literally noobgains level. If this is the result after 3 years steroids will honestly do little for you.

>overtraining
>on a minimalist three day a week routine which is barely a full body
What op needs to do is fix his his fucking diet, and also probably get a real routine

>this person does something useful, but does it completely wrong and fucks up
>that’s why I don’t do anything at all
You’re as stupid as OP

you are using only one example
pic related is john hansen, a mr natural universe winner
the issue here is that getting too lean does make you lose size incredibly fast, so naturals need to be a bit on the higher range of "acceptable bodyfat percentages

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That guy is not natural. I hope for your sake you are trolling here. I can show you pics of him on and off cycle if you want.

c o p e

He's got that non natty fullness, next.

>natural
Oh shit
That's the hardest I've laughed all week.

the roidfag fears the natty bull

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Believe what you will. I'm just trying to prevent people from falling for the same lies I fell for when I was younger. I fully believed that guys like John Hansen or even Skip La Cour here were truly natural. After all, they were the most famous "natural" bodybuilders in the world. Tons of natty bodybuilders looked to them for inspiration. How could they not be natural? Now I know better. Maybe one day you'll feel the same. Or maybe not. Plato observed long ago that it is easier to fool someone than it is to convince them that they have been fooled. From my perspective, these natty or not discussions tend to prove he was correct.

But like I said, believe what you will.

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natty elites make the roidfags seethe in pure rage and jealousy

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Can't you get that treated instead of pinning?
Because test will increase your TDEE even further. If you can't eat enough to get big right now you won't when you're on test.

I pray to god this is bait.

If you ever thought that guy was natty I can only feel bad for what the fitness industry has done to your rational thinking skills.

i want to lick those abs

i wonder if i should get my test levels checked to see if i legitimately need test supplements

for some context, you know how plastic jugs with the "1" or "7" rating apparently bleed lots into the water? for almost my entire childhood, teen years, and early adulthood i got all of my water from a water cooler but in that entire time probably about a decade and a half, i got ALL of my water supply from a water cooler where the water was stored in the same jug for once again a decade and a half at least

how fucked am i? im probably going to have man boobs forever and die of cancer, probably of the man boob for shits and giggles, right?

I was 17. I thought that if you had the title "natural bodybuilder," it meant you were a natural bodybuilder. I was a fucking idiot, in other words, yes. I also genuinely believed that pro bodybuilders lost fat with Hydroxycut rather than T3, Clenbuterol, HGH, DNP and injectible yohimbine. After all, it said in the ads that Hydroxycut was the key to getting a ripped six pack!

Yeah, I was stupid.

haha I remember that guy
he used to preach about being natty all the time, while having the traps, delts, arms, pecs, lats, legs and overall vascularity of heavy roid users
he also seemed to be awfully pro pro hormones at least for a while
he also doesn't know how to fucking talk about training and diet, he gives no actual usefull advice whatsoever, he just says it takes time and hard work, the typical bullshit they parrot around.

tap and bottled water has the same ammount of plastics
but recycled bottles and overused bottles might put you in way higher doses of exposure

>i wonder if i should get my test levels checked to see if i legitimately need test supplements
Over the counter test boosters do virtually nothing. Just buy testosterone and inject it. Also, if you get your test level checked and it comes back low, your doctor will just tell you you're fine and do nothing for you. GPs are remarkably useless when it comes to hormone replacement. They literally know nothing about it and think that testosterone will give you an instant heart attack. You need to go to a TRT clinic if you want a prescription for test.

>how fucked am i?
Get bloodwork and you'll find out. Have them test your total testosterone, free test, estradiol and SHBG.