Don't ask us to help you dose your AI. It's very individual.
Oral-only cycles put strain on the liver and cause a shutdown of natural testosterone production for not a lot of benefit. Just pin and thank us later.
No source talk allowed.
This isn't a medical forum. Stop asking for medical advice and go to a doctor.
Don't ask us to help you schedule your pinning dosages. Use steroidcalc.com/
are you going to run anything else besides test during this cut?
Christian Bennett
Even thats reduced now if you remember what they had previously on raws + finished international products.
$50 is for stealthed, their oil stealth was fucking good.
raw powder stealth good, but unfortunately the scanners pick up the powder directly out of whatever its hidden in, i saw it when i went to customs in Tokyo, legal but i just had too much anadrol powder since it has a prescription defined in Japan.
How can someone on gear still be such a fucking beta? Even crucy the mentally ill tranny loving fag that watches cartoons and jerks off to 2D shit is above testify at this point
Angel Nguyen
lmao soon he will have enough to cover his entire ugly face
James Rodriguez
what is the mechanism behind steroids causing heart enlargement?
Ethan Hall
increased blood pressure mostly, 19nors seem to cause lvh independent of blood pressure increases
I will be the first to admit I am not put together well
Cameron Peterson
tren is black magic strength in a bottle, and very harsh i would go with old schools winny or eq before i touched tren again
Dylan Cook
I thought that was just HGH that made your heart grow? AFAIK smooth muscle doesn't react to testosterone in the same way that skeletal muscles do.
Elijah Watson
I think ECA probably.
You heart is a muscle, the more body weight your body carries the more blood needs to be pumped throughout your body
That's why caring a lot of weight(fat or muscles) for a long time is very bad for your heart.
That's also most of the main reason those 80's bodybuilders are still alive. That and the use of slin + gh and diuretics
Jonathan Campbell
The heart isn’t smooth muscle.
Camden Cruz
cycle question, natty guy about to start his first test e cycle, instead of dbol what if I ran high dose var at the end, I am pretty lean and want to keep my current looks but want to gain a little more to fill out my look better, I am already at low body fat and know how to eat, I dont want test bloating me up and want the hard dry look
Ethan Brown
i’ve definitely been overtraining during this bulk. I am simply not fat enough /:
my kp is flairing up from how fucking cold and dry it is around here. need to move somewhere warmer
some of my buddies tell me winny/test low dose/tren will do this as well but I am concerned that winny will trash my liver and I dont want tren sides..60mg of var will just fuck up my lipids right and minimize liver stress?
Austin Diaz
Feels good to be taller than you. At least i can prove it, but can you?
hmmm
Isaiah Rodriguez
the importance of test only for your first cycle cannot be overstated. 500mg a week is plenty to be honest.
I have a feeling he will be like lee priest. insane proportions but some massive guy like flex lewis will make him beg for his life
manlets are good for bodybuilding, less area to fill out. anyone above 5’11 has the potential to be a FREAK though with the right genetics
Dylan Bailey
will test e by itself bloat me though, would hate to fuck my look up, I know my body well but undoing a shit ton of water weight would suck to try to fill out my lean frame, I am not against pinning often, I know the old way was lots of primo or NPP with test not too high, 500mg of test seems bloaty, plus liver damage I would like to avoid
Eli Wilson
Nah it looked weird on Lee priest, especially when he was standing next his competitors. Arnold even commented on his height once during an Arnold Classic and said he will never win because of that
>liver damage nah. barely toxic. take milk thistle/tudca/nac if you're scared.
>shit ton of water weight it all boils down to how your body reacts to high e2. have arimidex on hand for bloat, and nolvadex for gyno. my first 2 cycles were all high test and i didn't run an AI. my nipples were only a BIT more puffy and my face bloated. bear in mind i started at 15% bf but Test managed to lean me out throughout the cycle because i watched my diet.
if you start Test lean, you really dont have much to worry about.
check this lad out mast instagram.com/p/BtI7lQhBkc2/ he is competing at the arnold classic too, met him once and he is fucking huge in person, at least 190 cm
Caleb Diaz
jesus dillet absolutely moggs him. no wonder why priest is such an angry edgy manlet.
keone has insane proportions too and his waist is tiny, I don’t think he is the best (yet) though. needs more mass.
thanks man..my bad for the double post, hard for the guys starting out because all the guys local here just bulk or do the winny sucide cut, I just want that nice hard look because I know diet is a big part of it
>live in SoCal >pay ridiculous housing prices for prime weather >been raining for a month
REEEEEE
James Russell
Blood flow restriction and muscle relaxers?
Leo Reed
these are my bloods after 2 years of blasting and cruising with the last part using tren
PROLACTINE 64,2 STRADIOL 133
I took blood two weeks ago. I was using 700tren/500test a week, had asin and caber on hand but since I didn't feel sides didn't use them...
Next week I went down to 400/250 and now I'm ant only 250test/week.
Now I'm having bad personal problems (relationships mainly, but also depersonalization and vertigo for the future feelings) and I want to focus on health and go off.
Should I stay a bit on 250test/e to regulate myself of go cold turkey? Should I take a bit of asin or caber or just let it regulate itself on 250test/e? Can this be related or have increased those emotional problems? Do I go to de endocrinologist right now or do I wait till I am ready to completely go natty?
I could also like to retain something. Also I don't know if I will be natty forever of will make any cicle in the future, but if so... being mentally stable and for sure not b&c and not so harsh.
I know your feel bro, I just got a new car with summer tires and cant enjoy it, god is punishing us
Kayden Sullivan
Christ you’re a fucking retard.
Gavin Wright
I know. that's why I am asking for help instead of taking a decision myself if you can offer any advice, is welcomed
Owen Myers
>Cruising on tren Kek
Go to an endocrinologist.
Parker King
>tren isn't neurodegenerative with test bro, just take some test with your trenand you'll be fine If you want to go off drop the test and spend 4 to 6 weeks on 20mg or so of clomid a day. Drop that and get bloodwork done a month later.
Logan Nguyen
come off for a while dude you’ve clearly fucked yourself up and it’s been shown 19nors can have a huge effect on mental state
how long were your blasts and cruises usually?
John Perez
by come off I mean cruise on low test btw
Hunter Moore
Ordering some raws, so far:
Tren Test Ralox Mast Var Sdrol Drol Proviron
Should I drop some of it and just stick to test/tren/deca? I’m not looking for super shredded I prefer the full lean look.
if he comes off completely instead of at least cruising for a few months he will be fucked. can’t just rid the body of testosterone entirely and expect it to recover
nigger
Thomas Evans
who makes solutions lol just suspend your orals
Evan Cruz
day 3 on dnp still alive bois if i dontn write tomorrow call my mum
Logan Nelson
>can’t just rid the body of testosterone entirely and expect it to recover That's why you use nolvadex and/or clomid to help restart endogenous test production after waiting a few weeks for all of the exogenous test to leave your system.
jm is literally doing this atm but don't think he was as dumb as that other guy.
Thomas Wood
I don’t even think the other guy has ran HCG yet though. If he is coming off completely he should just stop going to the gym completely to let his body fully recover without unnecessary stress.
Even 19nors have changed my mentality a bit, but I also have an end goal in mind and it keeps you sane while you’re pumping all this shit into you.
Matthew Martin
Nice.
Diller was an absolute freak of nature. Insane freak genetics but still Aeasticlly pleasing. Too bad he couldn't pose for shit
He will get some. His structure is insane
No jm litterly thought he could do some dbol couple days a week and take some pills for his balls and get away with it. Kek
Christopher Walker
How much you taking and any noticable progress yet?
Thomas Baker
i don’t understand the mentality of completely coming off unless you are done with lifting.
Dorian yates completely came off and then went back on trt because he knew his body was already fucked up and honestly who cares? it’s one needle a week with test cyp
jm will be back on eventually if he keeps actively going to a gym i’ll make bets on it
Dominic Green
Tren mentality and nandrolone mentality are not that close IMO. With tren I'm always on the edge, incredibly irritable, and always taking things personally. Have to really constrain myself or I'd up gouging my coworkers eyes out because she's smacking her lips while eating a mango or she's scratching her spoon on the plastic cup of the yogurt container. NPP mentality for me was nowhere near that - I was hypersexual but not close to losing my mind.
My suggestion was for him to go to a endocrinologist because he has no idea what he's doing and needs someone to guide his ass back to normality.
That was jm? Fucking lmao
Christian Bailey
I put winter tires on my Miata and i had a lot of fun driving it in the snow 2 days ago, sorry about your shitty weather though
Jeremiah Jackson
question, why do you actually take tren? have your doses been increasing since the first time you took it? I love npp - i can completely control every side on it and with proviron added I feel even better.
agree though about the endo, who knows how bad he fucked himself up. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had to stay on trt for life to sustain normal levels. all of us may have to do that unless we completely drop bodybuilding.
Mason Morales
250g/day can't feel shit yet except I have a serious urge to drink and piss 24/7, normally feel it on day 5 so we shall see
Isaiah Ortiz
oh yeah I'm down 1kilo too already
Brayden Watson
How much npp were you running? I’m thinking of doing 1g tren e/ 500mg nand cyp and some orals starting in a month or so.
I’ve never done npp but it seems like everyone likes it so I might consider it and do pins m/w/f or something. I don’t want to do ED again.
npp is my favorite compound, it's like deca but 100 times better, my joints are titan and can hold the world
Charles Perez
what's the major difference between the two? feels like people use the names interchangeably
Juan Hall
As of today our friendly melting chocolate golem is 5 weeks in into his TRENsformation cycle. 5 weeks out of 10 which mean he should be half way done already. I assume he is already getting shit ton of bitches on his dick and that's why he never posted after that.
they're the same thing besides saturation and clear times and is a brainlet
Bentley Hall
deca is slower building but stronger in the long run and npp is like a quick lunch then peaks (with stable levels) after like a week. I will never touch deca again after running npp.
currently on 800mg but I think the point of diminishing returns is from 5-600mg
Joseph Fisher
Less sides from NPP plus it feels better
t. clueless
Jaxson Jackson
>Less sides from NPP absolute brainlet shit
Wyatt Anderson
feet should be yellow
Aiden Johnson
This is right, its just a difference in ester.
Samuel Roberts
Keep projecting you absolute retard, Deca causes increased water retention and all the sides associated with nandrolone, it's not even questionable.
Dominic Cook
t-thanks for the explanation guys, you really cleared it up for me now haha
Colton Myers
Yeah, I started low and up to the point of where I want to be.
Tren does an excellent job of preventing lipogenesis (if your diet isn't total shit like two pizzas a day) so that lets me loosen up the diet slightly. It's also proven to kill fat mass in as little as six weeks. Pic related.
I was hovering around 1g NPP per week. Pinning was OK for me but kind of annoying. Didn't catch too much bloat with it. Made shit loads of gains so it went well.
