FAQ /fast/ discord >discord.gg/dknZqPb What is /fast/? >Fast is a thread for the discussion of intermittent fasting, fasting, water fasting, and dry fasting.
What’s the difference between intermittent fasting, water fasting, dry fasting, etc.? >Intermittent fasting: Fasting for a certain amount of time with a short eating window. 16:8 (16 hours fasting, 8 hour eating window) is the bare minimum. >Water fasting: Fasting with only water. >Dry fasting: Fasting with no water. Dangerous, use with caution.
How do I safely do an extended fast? >Take snake juice, or just supplement electrolytes. >Water=2L >Potassium chloride =1 tsp (No Salt) >Sodium chloride = 1/2 tsp (Himalayan Pink Salt) >Sodium Bicarbonate = 1 tsp (Baking Soda) >Magnesium Sulphate = 1/2 tsp (Food Grade Epsom Salts) >Mix these in 2L of water and sip it throughout the day. >[OPTIONAL] 2 tbsp Apple cider vinegar and 4 tbsp lemon juice. DO NOT MIX with snake juice, drink separately. >You can also do this if you feel lightheaded, weak, dizzy, nauseous, etc., on shorter water fasts. Don’t do this while intermittent farting.
Won’t I go into starvation mode? >No. You won't have the willpower to fast that low.
Will (something with calories) break my fast? >Yes, you Hmong.
Can I drink coffee, tea, and diet soda? Or anything with artificial sweeteners? >You can do whatever the fuck you want. We recommend avoiding those, sweeteners especially.
I'll work up some copypasta to post in the /fast/ thread along with an attractive woman so many times the same fucking questions... THIS PERTAINS MOSTLY TO EXTENDED FASTS
>Can I exercise during an extended fast? Yes you can, no you won't die, drink your snake juice to replenish electrolytes. Don't drink Gatorade, it has (a lot of) calories and the salt contents are tiny for the price, yes even the zero version
>Will I lose muscle? No you won't, fasting spikes HGH+adrenaline, that will keep your muscles t. kept a 5 plate deadlift while doing OMAW at 6'1 210lbs for three weeks straight
>I can't find potassium, do I really need it? Potassium is NON-NEGOTIABLE. If you can't find it you're an idiot, go to the pharmacy and ask for "salt alternatives for people with high blood pressure." Yes you must get out of your house and into a brick-and-mortar pharmacy Yes you will have to talk to a stranger.
>I can't find food grade Epsom salts, should I skip the SJ altogether? Epson salts and baking soda are optional, don't skip on SJ while doing an extended fast just because you can't find Epsom salts. In any case, look for "USP Epsom salts", USP=US Pharmacopeia, which means pharma-grade
>My SJ tastes horrible and makes me want to vomit Try the barebones recipe of salt+nosalt (potassium), most people find that tolerable. Other than that, suck it up buttercup.
>Wouldn't it be better to eat a little instead of fasting? Short answer: No. Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo As crazy as it sounds at first, NO FOOD is vastly superior to LITTLE FOOD. Long story short, eating a little will keep your insulin just high enough to lock up your fat stores, while the body sees no alternative other than reduce your metabolism to not break thermodynamic law (that's also why simple caloric deficit doesn't work). Combine this with the HGH spike you only get when fasting and the autophagy response of sweeping out your shit cells and NO FOOD comes out a clear winner. 500Cal a day deficit faggots gtfo, go find the /fat/ thread made just for you and your shit that never works
>My mom/roomate/gf/wife's-boyfriend won't let me fast, what do? Stand up for yourself, say calmly "I want to try this, I know what I am doing, I will stop if I feel bad, and I would like you to be supportive" The max I've gone is 72h I don't think I could ever do OMAW, btw I'm 300lbs 72h is literally the worst it gets, that's how long it takes for most fatties to enter ketosis (ie. when your body is actually burning fat for fuel), but after that is smooth sailing since your body is using mostly fat and there's a lot of it in you. So if you're giving up before hitting a 72, you might be just redoing the worst part of the fast over and over again. If you're inching closer to single digits bf%, long fasts are not needed and suck because your body actually thinks you might run out of fat and die.
>Won't I get nutrient deficiencies? Drink your SJ, that's what you will deplete on a long fast, other nutrients will be provided by recycling your own defective cells (autophagy)
>TL;DR lol Just try doing a 48h fast, see how you feel, you won't die or have any long-term damage done (don't you think the human body has evolved to handle 48h without food)?
I have recently started a job where i sit for too many hours a day. I am wanting to begin fasting to counter the sedentary life but i am working a job where my brain function and focus can mean life or death for other people working around me. If i have a slip up and become unfocused for 10 seconds, myself and someone else could die..
Should i try fasting or just stick to the OMAD i have been on?
Ive done several fasts in the past (up to 9 days once) but they were a couple years ago and i didnt have a job like this at the time
Hunter Morales
flight controller? I wouldn't rock the boat while you're still fresh on this new job, are you still getting results from OMAD?
Bentley Jones
how long does it take to enter ketosis? i've heard some people say 72 hours, but others have said as little as 12.
Did you get brain fog past 72 hours in the past? Supposedly ketones are more efficient fuel, so theoretically the only point when you'll get brain fog is those hours. I'd say eat a breakfast that can last you a few hours on Friday morning and fast after that. Provided you work Mon-Fri you should be in the clear
Jose Robinson
Serious issue here guys!! I fasted regularly for about 6 months then I went to bulk because I was finally going to make it Then I just got fat instead And gained even more weight in the last 6 months. I'm currently the fattest I've ever been. Every time I try to fast I lose weight then gain twice that back. How do I stop this, I can't keep fasting forever but I don't want to get hit with the backlash weight after months of losing.
72h until you can see it on ketostix, for most people I hardly doubt 12, maybe 24 if your refeed is super low carb
Robert Mitchell
I was having results but i keep failing at eating clean and my food addiction reak through and my one meal ends up being way too big with sweets at the end.. i was getting results doing omad/low carb/working out daily this last summer, but since the winter has come my meals and my workouts have gone to shit and ive maybe gained 10 pounds. Idk if the new job has me stressed too...
Im wondering if i should try a 48 hour fast just to see how it goes, then try a 72 hour starting over the weekend so the worst part of the fast is while im off work
Hunter Baker
3-4 days You won't go in that quick unless your body is really used to it
Nathaniel Davis
I did have sma bouts of brain fog in the first couple days... but then when i get to days 4-7 i have moments where my mind is racing followed by moments where i feel very tired
Ayden Ramirez
Dont bulk. Obviously what your considering bulking food is too much food. Gotta count your calories when you eat and eat way less than you think you need. Also eat very clean (low carbs, low fat, plenty of lean protein and veggies)
Carter Foster
As soon as your food and glycogen get depleted. You can work out to reduce that time. I ate my last meal about 12 hours ago and I'm in ketosis Tired or drowsy? You can be tired an focused, but if lives are on the line I wouldn't risk it Are you sure baking soda is optional? I thought only Epsom salts were
Jayden Hall
i thought you enter ketosis as soon as your glycogen is used up? how long does that take?
That's bullshit unless you're referring to OMAD. I'd keto diet, but I've heard it takes a week or two for those
Adrian Thompson
are there any supplements that have an effect on fasting? Does creatine affect a multiday fast at all?
Grayson Richardson
How long does autophage last
Lucas Watson
>That's bullshit That's personal experience
Jacob Thomas
Taking creatine on a fast is a waste of creatine imo, but I don't think it breaks a fast
James Cook
It lasts while you're fasting
Aaron Sanders
SJ fasting? I find it a bit hard to believe, even if you did absolutely nothing but sleep all day and ate a huge last meal. Maybe if you ate a fuckton of meat to carb load, I can see it Anyway, personal experience may vary but >You won't go in that quick unless your body is really used to it is a general statement
Lucas Hill
Boys I got a real question. As a i fast more often will i lose weight more? I have been doing nothing less than 24s but mainly 48-72 hour fasts and I lose weight even after a 24 hr fast. Is my insulin just improving a shit ton?
Also after a 5-6 day fast can I just eat normal? What is they key to refeeding?
>Are you sure baking soda is optional? pretty much, it's just a bit extra sodium if you think about it, maybe some mild antiacid it's only recommended 1hr before a refeed after a 10+ days fast
Wyatt Butler
i am always pissing light ketones but I always eat carbs.
Chase Young
how much did you gain? Also you should still be fasting forever. Always fast at leas16/8 or 20/4. Then do 1 4872 hour fast a week. You should never get fat again.
Cameron Thompson
try adf. even old ladies who dont track or count anything lose steady weight doing that. plus they eat 500 calories on fast days.
Jeremiah Young
In my experience, extended fasts are amazing for how consistent the weight loss becomes, after day 3 it's -1lb every single day, to the dot The key to refeeds after prolonged fasts is to take it slow, bone broth is the best refeed food ever but I understand not everybody can get it, so any salty, meaty fatty soup should do, and just a little cup, then wait about 1-2 hours and reevaluate, try to minimize "volume" eaten, if that makes sense I do my best to keep my refeeds carnivore or at least keto, to make it easier to snap back into ketosis after Also, do it where you have access to the toilet, you might the runs at first, and don't trust a fart
what is considered an extended fast? I have gone 96 hours and just ate whatever(steak and potatoes and beer). I stopped getting blowouts from those fasts. Is 120 hours the cutoff for not-extended?
Is that the same as beef/chicken bouillon cubes? Or will it be missing the fattiness of it? Cole suggests raw eggs, which I have no qualms eating anyway
Cameron Evans
I think i will try adf. I'll go never more than OMAD, and then do adf until im adjusted. But i eventually want to do OMAW... just going to work towards it slowly this month
Chase Hall
The first time I did keto it took damn near a whole week, the last time I tried I was in ketosis in less than 2 days as per a blood monitor. Idk what else to say.
Wyatt Kelly
>how much did you gain? Roughly 15 lbs. I'm sitting close to 280 at the moment if not over
just loose like 60lbs. it will be extremely difficult to get that back unless you really try. also, >bulking dont do that
Nathaniel Scott
fast for 203 days.
Xavier Gonzalez
I'm going to do two 48 hour fasts a week. I'm already 30 hours into my first one and feeling fine without the snake juice. No headaches or anything. I've only had water and a small cup of black coffee. I'm thinking of cutting off the coffee eventually since I don't really think I have a caffeine dependency anyways.
I'm going to have a nice big bowl of Chipotle for my re-feed tomorrow afternoon then back to another 48 hour fast.
The bouillion cubes are just flavoring agents, try to get chicken broth like the kind granny would make if you had a cold That or try raw eggs, I've never tried them but Cole is a legend so who knows, just make sure to crack them on a cup first to see if they're not rotten
Ayden Morales
Imo anything after 72h can be considered extended
Oliver Wilson
gj also checked
Benjamin Ross
the numbers still work.
Nathan Sullivan
has anyone here tried a long fast (like a week or more) being a trained individual as a cutting method and keeped all the gains? I know that "fasting doesn't destroy your gains", but has anyone here actually try it and succed?
I've heard you're meant to eat a few hours before going to bed or it can negatively impact sleep, is this true? considering doing IF (4 hour eating) but I take a greens energy powder as soon as I wake up so my window would have to be pretty much first thing in the morning but that means by the time I go to bed I'd have not eaten for 12 hours - does the body adjust or is the window being first thing not a good idea?
Luke Ortiz
I wrote >kept a 5 plate deadlift while doing OMAW at 6'1 210lbs for three weeks straight I've spent the last years trying to cut without losing strength, always failed (yes 500Cal meme worked to get weight down, but lifts suffered double hard) Fasting is a godsend, I've had more progress in a month than what I would get in a semester
Evan Russell
>I've heard you're meant to eat a few hours before going to bed or it can negatively impact sleep, is this true? I wear a miband and while I can't vouch 100% for the accuracy of it's sleep measure, it's better than nothing Prolonged fasting didn't affect my sleep at all
Colton Brown
This.
I was completely incapable of cutting the normal way, I would lose so much muscle mass and strength it was depressing as fuck, no matter how much protein I consumed on the defect. This led me to try and maintain because I couldnt cut without losing strength and muscle, but didnt want to bulk and get fat. Complete stagnation. I found out about fasting from a random Cole video on youtube and holy shit it was like someone flipped the light switch on cutting. In two weeks I dropped 20 pounds and was fucking shredded.
Hey it's day 10 of my fast, I am breaking tomorrow morning. I promised a friend and /fast/ that I would drink a bunch of diet soda and see how it would affect my ketosis. Is there any concerns with drinking all that chemicals and that shit after so long?
Jayden Collins
It wont affect your ketosis AT ALL. It will affect your insulin levels which is why people say not to do it because part of fasting is keeping your insulin low
Henry Robinson
But I thought insulin levels are what effects glycogen which affects ketosis
Easton Lopez
thanks, you really gave me hope again. this time it will wok, im gonna make it
William Rivera
fasting for 6 days and eating some pizza and beer the seventh to maintain social bonds. will i still lose fat an preserve gains?
enjoy your running shits good luck user bring a butt plug
Carter Reyes
THANKS FOR THESE. I ADDED THE POTASSIUM QUESTION IN THE FAQ AND WAS ABOUT TO ADD MORE BUT IT WAS STARTING TO GET A LITTLE TOO BIG, SO BEFORE I ADD ANYTHING ELSE I'M GOING TO THINK ABOUT CATEGORICAL STRUCTURE AND CONTENTS. SAVED FOR FUTURE PURPOSES.
COLE ADDED THE BAKING SODA BECAUSE IT'S ALSO GOOD FOR YOUR KIDNEYS, BUT PEOPLE HAVE RUN IN TO ACID REFLUX AND TASTE ISSUES SO THEY CAN ALWAYS REFER TO THE OLD RECIPE.
DEPENDS ON YOUR METABOLISM, HOW MUCH YOU HAVE STORED, AND IF YOU'RE PHYSICALLY ACTIVE. TAKES 16 HOURS FOR ME ON A LOW CARB DAY.
ARE YOU THE GATORADE GOY? I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD
Nathaniel Ward
Just Reefed on 1lb if fresh beef from McDonald’s and 3 strips of bacon I work here so it free Broke of 45 hr fast If new pndoing 2 day fasts with carnivore reefed will I be good for crazy weight loss
Isaiah Wright
>ARE YOU THE GATORADE GOY? I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD no i just really like cheese. it seems like a good re feed too since it is only fat and protein.
Anthony James
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU: HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO HIT 5 PLATES? DO YOU TRAIN EXCLUSIVELY FOR STRENGTH? WHAT PROGRAM DO YOU RUN?
THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT BAD. TRY IT FOR A WEEK OR SO AND ADJUST FROM THERE.
YOU GODDAMN CHUBBY CHEESE CHASING FUCK IN ACTUALITY, SOME CHEESES ARE FUCKING GREAT BUT NOT FROM YOUR STANDARD PIZZA TRASH. DON'T FOLLOW THE KETO MACROS BECAUSE THEY'RE PURE SHIT. EAT SOME STEAK & EGGS AND HAVE A SLICE OF CHEESE IF YOU'RE NOT A DISGUSTING FAT PIG.
Jonathan Richardson
For those that are bigger, you may see several pounds lost over just a few days. This isn't sustainable and you will lose less over time. Fast more frequently(extended not IF) instead of longer for better results.
Brody Nelson
After successfully doing a couple of weeks of OMAW, I'm going for the long fast. Aiming for a month, currently on day 4. Wish me luck boys.
>fasting for 2.5 days >start to feel a little weak >alright cool ill refeed now >eat a modest meal of chicken tendies >immediatly have to shit my brains out >few hours later and the runs keep coming
Where the hell did this come from was it just hiding in my colon for 3 days?
Brody Ross
When I water fast as my next cut, would it be smarter to work out during it or not?
Wouldn't it just break down my muscle with nothing there to repair it?
Julian Davis
Good luck. Inactivity/boredom is the enemy. Keep busy and it'll be smooth.
That's what happens. Your body stores shit like pearls when it doesn't have any other source of energy coming.
Ethan Russell
Your refeeds repair your muscles. Which is why lifting on fasting days is not productive.
Angel Edwards
>It will affect your insulin levels Proof?
Is there a way to measure insulin levels without needing a researcher measuring your blood? 10-day fast guy can finally put that to the test. Fuck it I'll do it. We need to either put this to rest or confirm it.
Ryder Hall
On 4 day fast
Starting to feel really cold... like cold to my bones, but also lost 10lb so pretty good.
There's studies online, as well as people who used the glucose monitoring blood things and would take a base line, drink a can, and watch their levels gradually increase
Michael Thomas
Sure no source, but finally someone posts proof. I'll stop spamming it.
Samuel Allen
>be 300lbs, try out 16:8 with two meals a day >calorie intake is much less than before because the meals are 800-1000 calories tops >easy to count calories because it's only two meals >actually feel better than when I just randomly ate all day I can't believe how fucking easy this is compared to the other diets I tried I'm actually excited to try out other fasting methods
Go OMAD. Calorie counting one meal is even easier.
Justin Myers
Fuck that. 72s, refeed, 72s until youre lean
Aaron Howard
Yay 48 hours complete, my dreams last night were really vivid and strange. Thought I ate a bunch of shit and was sad but woke up and realized it was a dream. Wonder what tonight will bring me. Probably the longest time without food in my entire life.
Jack Reed
Same thing happened on my first fast. I kept dreaming about eating. A LOT
Benjamin Baker
Same. Kinda funny how primal hunger is.
Leo Rivera
>72s, refeed, 72s until youre lean this im doing 72s and refeed and take 1 day of and going back to my torture i would go for OMAW but im very active and really close to get lean
Oliver Bell
fasting probably gave me gallstones. But I got shredded as fuck.....be careful lads
James King
I finished a 48 hour and fucked up hard. I started eating and just couldn't stop. I took out 5 pieces of pan fried chicken 3/4 can of peanut butter two halfbread peanut butter sandwhiches and 1 and 1/2 BBQ dollar store burgers. what ruined me was the crazy headache. I fucked up lads I've failed him
That's one done on mice, sorry it's not humans. It's not the original study which led me to have my opinion, the blood glucose thing was a guy on reddit who posted his levels, drank a coke zero, then posted his levels every 15 minutes up to an hour. Coke zero has acesulfame potassium not K and aspartame. Trying to help people out. That being said i'm drinking one right now. Probably going to stop after 14 days
Landon Hall
i'm new to this, sorry for the stupid question. when you say refill it means to eat your daily calories or he calories for all the days you missed?
Blake Rivera
Jesus christ how horrifying. What about fasting made it happen?
Benjamin Allen
Take it as a lesson and you will do better next time. You will make it friend.
Jace Nguyen
have you been fasting for a while? because when i usually break my fast i tend to eat some junk food but i cant finish my whole plate my stomach feels so fucking full and i have to run to the toilet or else i would shit myself
Josiah Young
if im fasting for a girl will i ever make it?
Lincoln Mitchell
Thanks broseph. youre right, I'll try to learn from this.
Yes, I'm new, this was my second fast. My first was a 4 day 96 I don't know what happened this time maybe it was a the new formula but my head was fucking killing me and the hunger was brutal.
2 days in. Does it still count if I use nicotine to suppress my hunger?
Cooper Watson
Yes. You should quit, though.
Ryder Watson
you should quit, i have been smoking for years but once i a started fasting AND smoking i have got severe coughs, it could be that im going to get fucked up
Nolan Murphy
Broke my 10 day fast with a huge burrito and some crunchy Cheetos about 4-5 hours ago and I peed on keto Stix and it's still super dark, darkest colour on the bottle still. I wonder how long it will take to go into affect and whether my chest meal of sorts even knocked me out of full keto, if not I'll probably eat keto tomorrow and Saturday and go again
Ryder Reed
>Body fat %????
Unknown. Maybe 22%?
>Also how should I fast?
Until your skin and bones.
Hunter Price
how can i break a 72 and refeed and still be on keto?
Connor Jones
By not eating carbs.
Jaxson Bell
yeesh how do you feel after that
Hunter Williams
I do 20/4 fasting, but the 4 hours aren't set each day though. that shouldn't matter as long as I do the 20 hours, right? like some days the last thing I'll eat is an hour earlier than my eating hour should end, therefore the next day, I can eat an hour earlier the day before
Grayson Lewis
Yeah, keto diets will take much longer to kick you into ketosis
Justin Brooks
Skelly here
Could a moderate overbulk period followed by an extended fast to bring body fat back down to original lean mass percentage be as good or better than just a normal bulk? I want the health benefits of fasting but I also need to put on muscle badly. Also, I want to guarantee I am eating enough food during the time I am eating instead of spending months trying to carefully walk the tightrope of matching my TDEE perfectly. I've tried to bulk twice in the past... one time way overeating and one time not eating enough.
I was just thinking I eat big to get big and then every time I get a bit too much fat I can just water fast until I am back to a low body fat. Obviously I will be sacrificing some gains during the fast but it's a price I would gladly pay to stay perma-lean.
