Is saturated fat bad for you or not?

Your body makes its own saturated fat and cholesterol. You don't "need" it from the diet. But it can help.

Wrong, you can definitely eat the good one (HDL). LDL and VLDL are made in the body in most cases. LDL isn't even cholesterol, it's just protein.

The leading killer of both vegans and people who eat meat is heart disease, so I doubt it makes that big of a difference. Eat it if you want.

they still cook with oil, fat in general raises LDL. You can see a significant heart disease and cancer decrease in most populations that use steaming as a primary cooking method.

>is saturated fat bad for you or not?
no, you need some saturated fat every day
it becomes bad if you consume more than you need.
since most people consume way too fucking much of it, it because bad.

Saturated fat is still important for your body but you should not consume a ton of it.
Keto idiots will see sooner or later.

That's an interesting idea, but in general I don't think outliving everyone you love is necessarily something to aim for.
I would rather be jacked and enjoy my life than be a weak twig eating steamed broccoli all day.

while this post is here
what's the point of eating fat on keto? Your body will still metabolize your own fat and the goal is getting a more favorable body composition. I do keto about 4 weeks a year two in spring two in fall but I never understood how or why people would try to live on it.

>and when the whole place clapped and cheered for a dude that, when they weighed him up on stage, was just barely over the 350lb

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vegans get less heart disease so i'm sure it makes a difference.

>I never understood how or why people would try to live on it.
because they are idiots who think that eating garbage as long as its fatty will make them healthy.

yes you fucking idiot. next question.

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I'd rather my dick work at it's full capacity for as much of my life as possible. So I think I'll go for the most pro vascular diet possible with as much hiit as I can manage. The point of avoiding heart disease and cancer through diet exercise and lifestyle changes isent just about boasting years lived it's about preserving the quality of life as much as possible. Who wants to live 60 years and half their flag flying at half mast since they're 35 and feel out of breath everytime they go outside or go up stairs?

>what's the point of eating fat on keto?
This is the whole point of eating keto

I thought the point was losing body fat while being muscle sparing because your body is metabolizing your own fat for energy while not having to maintain an extreme deficit.

>I'd rather my dick work at it's full capacity for as much of my life as possible.
Ironically, as soon as I introduced 1-2lbs of red meat a day, I started getting morning wood again.

>So I think I'll go for the most pro vascular diet possible with as much hiit as I can manage. The point of avoiding heart disease and cancer through diet exercise and lifestyle changes isent just about boasting years lived it's about preserving the quality of life as much as possible.
I can agree with that. But at the same time, fats are responsible for hormone production, so it might be equally detrimental to quality of life if you reduce them too much.

>Who wants to live 60 years and half their flag flying at half mast since they're 35 and feel out of breath everytime they go outside or go up stairs?
I doubt this would happen if you exercise regularly. Shawn Baker's an example of a dude who eats just red meat, and since he does HIIT all the time, he has great cardiovascular health.

it's probably because you on a deficit or had a zinc deficiency. Nothing tanks test like a long term deficit.

Some parts of the population produce high LDL from their liver.
The only remedy for this would be a higher intake of dietary HDL. You sound scared of all fats. Maybe read into it more.

It's to put your body in a ketogenic state. You can achieve this through fasting, or by not ingesting glucose. Your body then uses fats from the diet and body for fuel instead.
Some people do this for other reasons than weight loss, epileptics, for a more consistent energy level through the day, diabetes, or they just prefer to be in a ketogenic state.

Wasn't even the fattest dude there desu. The dude working the counter was cool, though talking to him made it sound like Vegas was just a tiny slice of fun surrounded by tons of poor people. Vegas was so full of fatties and old, shriveled boomers with more money than time left in their lives. Everywhere you look, it's either a tanned 95 year old woman with more bone than meat, fatties hanging out in the kino/sports betting areas, or some dude struggling to stay seated in front of the slots. When I went out west I thought people were supposed to be fitter than us fat Midwesterners. Nope; Vegas, LA, SF are all full of fucking fatties, the healthy meme is just that. The only exception was Colorado, those people genuinely seemed fitter on average.

no I'm fine with non oxidized fats like the kinds you get from raw nuts and seeds or like mackerel sushi. I just dont like cooking oils or eating cooked meats high in fat. I think the average person or even the average body builder has little reason to suppliment their fat intake at all. Even lean meats tend to have enough to be adequate.

>raw nuts and seeds
These are unsaturated no? Due to the double bonds these are more likely to be oxidised. Good luck oxidising a saturated fat.

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Since 90% of Jow Forums is dyel and sedentary, no don't eat saturated fats. I'll work out, do HIIT, drink milk, eat red meat and make gains. Blood levels are all within normal ranges too. Nobody had heart disease when people busted ass all day and ate a ton of milk, butter and red meat. "Oiling of America" for a good documentary about why the AHA is the way it is.

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sorry for the messy link

lot of the fat in nuts is polysaturated

Your link confirmed what I posted.
It just says that the nuts may have counteracting properties to this. It admits PUFAs have higher risk of oxidation.

Yes, that's what I was saying

yeah but comes at being either neutral or a net benefit. So in the larger sense it's a safer source of dietary fat.

No, it comes as neutral or net negative.
Saturated fats were never proven to be bad, it was always based on correlation.
Show me how saturated fats turns into LDL and I'll give you TWO SCOOPS for free.

are you feigning ignorance to how lipoproteins are made?

No, but you are if you think saturated fat can become LDL.

Eating any carbs (includes sugar) causes insulin spikes becasue all carbs are converted to glucose in the body, complex or simple doesnt matter.
Insulin resistance and its associated effects are the main reason for causing heart disease.
Why do you think people who are healthy and fit still get heart disease (although at a lower rate due to being more healthy but still do)?

A reliable test for heart disease is the coronary calcification scan which measures plaque build up in the heart. People who go on keto and fasting greatly reduce and even reverse the build up of plaque.

>youtube.com/watch?v=bWcgT4BYwo0&t=815s

There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate. Humans dont need any carbs to live.

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post body you lardsack

Nice argument retard.
Say you have high LDL levels, doctor says eat less cholesterol so you remove all dietary cholesterol. LDL is still high, now what? You're fucked.
Turns out LDL isn't even Cholesterol anyway.

Alternatively you can eat more cholesterol to boost HDL which shuttles the LDL away.

all of this doesnt matter because you are fat

It is, but I think it's far worse for a sedentary person eating at a large caloric surplus. Aerobic activity and moderation would largely negate the negative effects of it.

I'm a different user, and I don't eat keto anyway.
Fuck off CIA nigger, glow in the dark somewhere else

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that's because seed oils are one of the worst things by far in diets today. That and sugar.

it's very hard to eat "more than you need".
What IS bad is eating saturated fat with high carb meals, like pastries, or steaks with fried potatoes.
This is why vegan diets and carni diets are so good in the short term for most people. High carb doesnt mix well with high fat. On their own each of them are fine.

protein will affect insulin as well. better not eat protein.

Is the owner a whale himself or is he some based fit dude with a plan to genocide fatties?

Nigga wtf am I supposed to eat then fucking moron? Meat, fruit and vegetables and milkand yogurt?

If you think refined sugar and protein have the same insulin response per gram/calorie.

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He was a dietician who got blackpilled and decided that it would be easier to kill fatties than try to reform them

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That's some serial killer shit.

What am I looking at here? Do they just leave the stent in and say "mission accomplished" or do they actually clean that shit?

If you think complex carbs and refined sugar have the same insulin response...

I didn't say that the other guy did.

You misunderstand my point. Doesn't matter idgaf

I see what you were doing now, my bad

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Anything can be bad for you in excess

Being fat is bad for you.
Disregard all other advice.
If you are not over or underweight, you should honestly not worry about your food.

You can't eat HDL mongoloid and LDL is not just protein go read a book i bet you dont even know which apolipoprotein is in each particle

> the only way to get protein is low quality ground beef
just end it buddy

dailymotion.com/video/x23gdpm

based dr john

sending fats to an early grave and making money doing it

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>The only remedy for this would be a higher intake of dietary HDL. You sound scared of all fats. Maybe read into it more.
You cant eat HDL...

sometimes they just balloon it other times they leave a stent in

cspinet.org/tip/refresher-fats

Yes, saturated fat is bad. dont fall for the contrarian carnivore and keto bs

Fuck off CIA nigger.

>being and edgelord and also wanting your 14 year old daughter to be a whore

bit odd

youtube.com/watch?v=Wcw5P4FVSaw

this man is doing a public service

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It's some Las Vegas shit

But why does he still dress like a doctor?
Is he playing the part of the doctor who recommends death-by-burger to his patrons?

Love the honesty haha

sugar turns into LDL
>see sugar: the bitter truth and WhatIveLearned on youtube. they even cover the metabolic reactions so you cant argue this.

your body produces both

i didn't say anything about sugar mongo you should try not eating altogether

>X is bad
>no its actually Y that's bad
>I didn't say anything about Y you mongo
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> only 1 thing is allowed to be bad at a time
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People raise their HDL levels by eating more dietary cholesterol by what mechanism then?

burgers are the fucking best

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