Is there a positive side to 'men going their own way' or just the general removal of women as a focus in life for you...

WHAT DO YOU DO. I SPECIFICALLY SAID:
> (im asking you personally not from a societal or culture standpoint)

FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT MAKES YOUR LIFE RICH, THEN DONT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.

does caps help? because typing it normally does nothing for you.

>no more false rape accusations or false domestic abuse accusations
you had these before? please tell me the story as they are big fears of mine as i had a minor situation with it back in highschool.

>Also no more child support extortion,alimony extortion
how so? if you had those before you don't lose them by turning away from the woman unless you started your life over under a fake identity. im asking what YOU specifically do to compensate and enrich your life, not what bad things are no longer there because of women.

Wait, you're just asking people personal questions? Nobody here wants to answer them. It's weird.

That's the list of the things I do though
>draw
>play vidya
>learn cooking
>walk a lot
>talk to grannies and make them laugh
>check the events in my city and go to the fun or free ones
>think about writing a book, boosting my art blog and online pressence
>working on my freelance career
>learn new shit as often as possible
What do YOU do then faget

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you didn't say that. you said they are things I can do, you did not tell me that these are things you do to compensate for the lack of women and what you do to enrich your life. it doesn't really talk about the 'positive' side of it, you just list busy work for the most part. im asking what you gain from it, you personally.

its fine if you want to leave it at the list of hobbies, as I said,
>I am becoming increasingly interested in platonic male friendships, extended family, religious groups and mentorships.

I was falsely accuse of touching a girl breast in middle school. Thankfully the adults were understanding and I didn't get in trouble. Also the girl suffer no consequences for lying. Also my life is enrich because I have more money in my pocket. I don't have to waste in on dates or gifts.

>im asking what you gain from it, you personally.
I'm the happiest person I know, no stress, always in a good mood, at peace with myself, no regrets, no heartaches caused by keeping things inside my chest since I learned that communication is the key to healthy realtionships with other human beings.

All those things that I gained from personal development throughout the years of being away from women led me to have a pretty fun life with good friends I can trust and be myself with. Happiness is a choice and if two people have the exact same lives one can be miserable as fuck while the other can choose to feel like the most fortunate person on the planet. That's my personal enlightment and it summarizes to the fact that depression and sadness is for the weak of mind.

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>Also my life is enrich because I have more money in my pocket.

is that really all a lack of women has brought you? just having money you wouldn't spend on dates fulfills you?

thats a good start but its all really vague. it seems like most men in this sort of movement or lifestyle are just living empty lives as opposed to richer ones. its the lack of women that makes them comfy, but there is nothing there that seems to make them fulfilled.

That's because not many people have a passion in life. You can ask anyone on his board about their life and they'll tell you it's just an empty husk but that's their view of the world and only they can broaden it through self reflection. When I turned 21 I waspretty miserable myself until I realized one day that I can do whatever I set my mind to do if I apply to it. You just need to feel that ONCE and it will be part of your way of thinking forever. From the list of things I told you I like doing I get great satisfaction.

Have you reached your personal enlightment yet? What is it about?

Yeah I have so much money I have no idea what to do with it. Also don't forget all of the freedom I have.

thats an absense, not a wealth (other than the money) but i find it hard to believe the money fulfills you. it can make life more fun but it doesn't fulfill.

I had an experience recently where someone who was like a father to me grew terribly ill. He had cancer and his children were prepared to leave him in a nursing home for his last few weeks. I took him home and took care of him all day every day. the unexpected result of that was he got quite a bit healthier and survived another 9 months. this was not a joyful expereince like sky diving and such, but it was a very fulfilling and meaningful one. What I am looking for in this thread is what people find meaning in outside of women because the people who do obsess over women seem to only get their meaning and fulfillment from dating them.

fulfillment doesn't have to mean suffering to me, but I've lived the life without women that was just me enjoying large amounts of money and it wasn't fulfilling in and of its self. it certainly adds to my fulfillment when I can tie what i spend to my personal growth or the deepening of a relationship, and even just going out to eat by myself can feel a bit fulfilling. but when I was just enjoying life and my money it was a far cry from the amount of meaning I find myself with now, and I just ponder what other men who have turned from women are experiencing as well.

tagging you in this because my final paragraph answers your final questions i believe.

Fulfill your life with hobbies and fun outside of trying to find a mate, and they'll come naturally. Whether you're a chad or an incel, you both need life skills and things to find fulfilment.

Keeping up appearances? Good enough.

Why not fund projects and other things you like? Not patreon garbage but something maybe more substantial?

I don't need advice. on the contrary my life is very fulfilled. I am not asking for stupid platitudes. i made it clear in the end that i am asking you specifically what does it for you. not for advice, though I wouldn't avoid trying something new if something interested me, but to see what other men fill their lives with outside of women.

That's a nice enlightment, It's usualy that kind of experience that pretty much pull a lever in our brain and changes how we see the world everyday. I personally learned that I can add a lot of value to anyone I run into everyday and I'm aware of it now.

>and I'm aware of it now.
what made you aware of it? thats the thing is i want to hear about mens experiences in defining themselves, not in guessing what might define them, but people who do share lengthy stories tend to just talk about why they left women because of women, not what else was waiting for them.

please user, tell me your story.

Sorry, I didn't mean to lecture you. I was mainly replying to the people questioning you for posting this.

It's a story that comes from childhood so it's a bit long, if you want to read I'll gladly write it up but the tl;dr is that I've gone through so many things growing up that I learned to be truly happy with myself and my life even if it's not what others would consider the best life one can have, the thing is that once you're truly happy and you know it, you can help people notice the happiness in their own life that they ignore or can't even see for themselves, my best friend even jokes around sometimes telling me that I'm Buddah.

i would like to hear the story. thats kind of the point of the thread man. i just want to see what truly deepens and fulfills these men, if anything. i dont want to take anyones word for it. not that i dont believe, but the whole point is to get those details.

Alright here it goes

I was born in Venezuela way before the entire socialism thing happened, aside from my parents separating and my dad traveling the country playing music my childhood was pretty normal and happy. My mom, brother and I used to live in a pretty bad neighborhood where men would threaten us from the windows to rob us, as we grew older we moved slowly to better and better neighborhoods as our mom kept working like a maniac at her job at the biggest company in the country PDVSA. As a kid I loved video games, anime, cartoons and toys which is what was normal entertainment to me.

When I was 13 is where my development took an unexpected turn, I had just started high school and everything was way different, I started to notice that what I thought were the coolest things in the world were weird to the rest of my peers but I never thought I was a weird kid or "not normal" by any means. That summer my mom's job had a summer vacation planned for all of the kids in the company, it was a week in the island of Margarita, the hottest tourist destination in the country at the time, no parents, only kids from ages 11 to 16 in a resort hotel with a bunch of camp guides. During these awesome vacations we went to water parks, amusement parks and other cool places. We were divided by age and grouped in squads which were overseen by a guide who was appointed squad captain. There were around 200 kids and I knew many of them from school and some were even classmates I had been sharing classes with for years, I had a few classmates in my squad as well. One day I overslept and missed lunch there was a rule that you could only enter the cafeteria if you were with your squad at the appropiate time, another guide spotted me looking outside the cafeteria and asked me where my squad was, I told him I didn't know and he let me in to eat lunch. As the week ended the last activity scheduled to end everything was a big campfire at night before leaving the net day.

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I feel ya man. Even among the anime nerds i was the 'weird' one most of the time. most people liked things that were on adult swim whereas I found programming on 'anime unleashed' which lead to weird things like betterman, geneshaft, and serial experiments lain. i've never met another person online or irl that has watched geneshaft.

digging the rest of the story so far and want to hear more. I think thats a pretty dope experience as a kid, like a super fucking camp.

During the week I had a lot of fun with many people, I neve was a rude or annoying kid but I certainly wasn't cool either, the events during the night were all finished, the guides gave a speech in front of the huge fire and what proceeded was that all the other kids would start asking about emails and phone numbers (cellphones weren't that big back then though) of all the kids they met and had fun during that week, I was pretty excited about the closure until I noticed that everyone was talking to their friends and telling each other how much they would miss each other. I had finally realized that I didn't make a single friend during the week and it was a huge shock to me, I started crying in front of the fire and the same guide that helped me get into the cafeteria a few days ago came to me, kneeled, put his hand on my shoulder and told me that it's ok to be alone, that it makes you strong, to this very day I still believe that guide was a robot who went through the same. The next day I put on my headphones and just listened to music on my mp3 until I got home, it was my very first encounter with rejection and it destroyed me emotionally, I developed anxiety and I was experiencing so many panic attacks at school I almost didn't finish it. A counsellor came to my house to ask me what was happening and when I told her that I had anxiety she organized tutoring classes for me so I could graduate.

After I graduated I pretty much stopped going outside, I became a shut in who couldn't even leave his room without feeling anxiety, sometimes my mom would tell me to accompany her to the mall and I'd just wait in the car for 2-3 hours waiting for her to come back. Dealing with deep depression and anxiety after a year and a half of me not going outside my mom told me I had to options "go to college or get a job, I don't want leeches here" My mom is the most lovable person you'll ever meet but she was clearly stressed at this point.

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just bumping for more from this story.

I can relate, in my case it was just not part of the culture to watch anime at the time so it was even weirder.

During those 2 years of being a shut in NEET the country started to fall apart, there used to be daily 2 hour blackouts that happened from 8pm to 10pm, every night I would just go to the backyard or the roof and listen to music while looking at the sky. I made an online friend who was 4 years younger than me and I was 16 at the time, She was a girl who a cousin on windows messenger told me liked to draw just like I did, I added her and while I was the gloomiest motherfucker on the planet at the moment this 12 year old could easily kick my ass when it comes to self esteem and while I would hardly talk to her she would always initiante contact with me and we would talk about anything I still think this honestly saved me from going deeper in my depression and she eventually became my best friend. When my mom asked me college or work I went with college (which is not crazy expensive in Venezuela compared to America) and began studying advertisement, as a socially awkward person at this point I didn't enjoy it at all, I kept having panic attacks and simply leaving class most times. After a couple years I had my first important realization in life while I was reading an anxiety forum, a girl who I still remember was named Marie wrote a rant post about how she didn't want to live her life that way anymore and how she would just say "fuck it" to what people think about her. it was huge for me because I could relate a lot. I told to myself that I would ONLY care about what people who I think were important to me thought. That pretty much separated my anxiety from the rest of the planet, I had created a barrier and the only person allowed was my online friend. Soon after that the symptoms of anxiety started to disappear, anxiety was finally gone but I was still socially awkward and inept.

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thats the thing about anxiety is that everyone gets it, being brave isn't a lack of fear, its about pushing past that fear. someone who isn't afraid isn't really brave if they do it.

I get you, my mom always told me to never rely on pills, she was acquinted with an artist who was brillant but a slave to his psychyatric meds. She always told me that everything could be done with the power of the mind and I always thought it was mumbo jumbo until I applied it to anxiety.

As anxiety left I was then ready to face the world and things I had been keeping away from all those years, I also noticed that since I created that barrier I lost any sense of shame or shyness, I only cared about what my best friend and my little cousins who I strated babysitting all the time thought about me so if one of them wanted me to play with them or do something that would be considered embarrassing in public I'd gladly do it to make them happy, the people around me didn't matter at all and this is one of the biggest lessons I've learned in life and I hope more people get to realize. College was more bearable and for the first time in life I became sort of popular with my during the last semester, As a kid I always wanted to be a person who helped others and made them feel happy but when you feel embarrassed or ashamed it's pretty hard to actually live like that, now that my inhibitors were destroyed I could do the things I always wanted to do and be the person I wanted to be.

When I was 21 years old it's when the second biggest realization in my life happened, I fell in love with a girl in my class, at this point being myself actually made me have a pretty good relationship with pretty much every person I met in college. I was pretty fat at the time, I didn't know how to drive or do many basic adult things that you're supposed to know at that point. I decided I would start losing weight and learn how to drive and I did it, it felt great and I learned that doing things is FUCKING EASY, you just decide you want to do them and then stick to them. It was like a lightning struck my brain and I felt enlightened.

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bumpin for this user

In the end the girl I liked didn't like me back but it didn't matter because I had learned that I could do anything, and it's not just knowing it it's owning the thought as an absolute truth. I didn't really enjoy college so I dropped out and started working, My older brother moved to Paris in 2014 and I got my first job at the place where he used to work at which was a courier. I didn't know jackshit about anything but I learned fast and had a good relationship with my boss and workmates, working here I had my third biggest realization in life which was to take for yourself the qualities you valued in other people be it from real people or fictional characters. When growing up I had watched Good Burger, Ed in particular always seemed to me like an amazing motherfucker, he was retarded, had a shitty job and a lot of problems but he was also the happiest fucker alive. I applied his way of thinking to my life and started absorbing these tiny life lessons from anything that made me think "I want to be like this person" which was like a shortcut to wisdom to me since I was taking experiences from other people and applying them to my life without having to learn them myself and it's something I still do to this day.

I started working there in 2015 and an entire year had passed when the country began to officialy sink, I gave like 70% of my paychecks to me mom to help with bills and the rest would moslty use to buy snacks and food for the house. I remember it was february and we had a 4 day holiday, the economic situation had worsened and one day I found my mom crying because things looked grim, mind you things weren't even as 10% as bad as they are right now but for my mom who had worked really hard her entire life to start seeing a decline in her life it was pretty hard, moslty because as you all know the food situation in Venezuela kept getting worse and worse.

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for me the resentment is eternal because it wasn't a choice. i never had a dating or a sex life really. i might be happier single but i have no idea because i could never find out. i crave emotional intimacy, i want someone to touch me like they're happy to be doing it, and nobody ever will. i think my best case scenario is bluffing and bullying my way into some poor woman's life until she just gives in.

not what i asked at all matey

I always liked to draw and had a graphics tablet I had bought many years ago by saving all my money, during that 4 day holiday before valentine's day I decided I would stream myself drawing for fun. My stream had like 2 people watching and my computer was making so much noise I thought it was going to explode, a guy in the chat asked me if I could draw him something on stream, that he would pay me. I drew him something in 40 minutes and earned $10 bucks which to me was an entire month's salary at work. It blew my mind I woke up my mom and told her about it and the very next day I quit my job to pursue money online. I wasn't making much money but it was enough to work from home.

As things deteriorated in the country more and more we had to eat smaller rations, side dishes were gone, meat became eggs and then eggs became beans. Everyone started to leave and soon my entire family ended up in America. Last year my brother paid my flight ticked to France where I saw him after 4 years apart and got a job cleaning airbnb properties. With the money I earned there I moved to Ecuador, I got a job in a factory working almost 70 hour weeks lifting heavy stuff, sleeping on the floor and only eating a loaf of bread every day with a cup of coffee that my workmates bought for me. Near the end of that first month my coworkers already noticed I wasn't eating anything and collected money to buy me groceries, clothes and other products, I think I had never cried out of happiness up until that point. My boss called me to his office later that day and he told me that he had no idea about anything, that it was all the girls's idea (worked in a duvet/pillow/cushion factory so there were mostly women). What he told me was my fourth biggest realization in life "people don't do things like that for anyone" is what he said. This is when I finally understood that even if you do small things for people you can make their day and influence their life with just your pressence.

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thats really sweet of them. reminds me of Ben Shapiros stance on how society would work. instead of going straight to government for help that should be a last resort, and instead communities should support each other.

Same. I can make friends with girls after knowing them for a while and i guess im somewhat attractive but I never obsessed over dating like some of my friends. I focus on other goals to improve my life and income before dating. Idk why but I just do. I guess its so i can find the one when my life is perfect.

what do you do to fulfill yourself?

After that I finally got some money and started to build my life in a new country. After some months I quit my job to start drawing again and even though things haven't been so smooth I can do what I like for a living. Now I'm building my life here and the only sad thing I can be sad about at the moment is that my mom is turning 50 today and I'm not there with her. That has been my life as a 26 year old kissless virgin and I'm looking forward to what I can still learn and experience in the future.

So basically the lessons that have made me who I am today are
>Only worry about the people you care about
>Learn that you can do anything
>Take wisdom from others and incorporate it into your life
>Small things can have a huge impact in people's lives
Earlier I told you about choosing to be happy and I guess that's a more recent realization I got to experience living in this country. Many people would have felt miserable going through what I went this year but I never let it get to me and remained happy and optimistic.

Thanks for reading my story senpai

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it was a bit long but worth the read user. so many people spout that sort of thing but they don't have anything real to back it up. its amazing that your metal has been tested and you maintain these core values. Mine certainly has and they aren't quite aligned with yours, but I can respect the fact that you have them because I know what you experienced.

I just see so many people out there that believe they are honorable, or chivalrous, or committed, but none of them have been tested in any way. you certainly have.

Thank you, My values are something really important to me and I try to live by them, I think that the way to live without regrets is to always do what you think is right and that's what I wear on my chest everyday. It's hard to feel down or sad when you know you're living your life doing what you believe is right, even if your days are not eventful you'll always feel like you're living at your best because you're enjoying them.

good luck brother. I'm just glad one person was able to talk about what is fulfilling and meaningful to him outside of women in this thread. thats all i wanted and you certainly delivered.

Are you working for the CIA? Did they give you that backstory?

how on earth would asking what enriches your life other than woman be useful to the CIA?

the plus side is men who have bad luck with women stop feeling bad about it and move on to a new purpose in life. The other good thing is this means men will just chill out and all the roasties will die alone surrounded by dozens of cats. Men are usually pretty solitary by nature so we can handle it. Men also typically have hobbies. Women on the other hand live their lives socially and usually have no real substance beyond that.

I think I need to invest in cat food.

What do you mean by fulfill myself?

do you feel fulfilled as a person? does your life feel meaningful? most people satiate the need for meaning by dating, and i am curious what men who have purposely turned their backs away from dating use to define and fulfill themselves.

i said you personally, not as a society.

Oh yea I feel fulfilled. I have hobbies and friends I like to hang out with a lot. Im also christian so that gives me meaning to live also. I just like having fun with friends and being able to enjoy my life and better myself. Dont get me wrong though. I will start talking to a girl i'm interested in if I feel like she's perfect but I dont make it my goal like other people I know who are always trying to find a girl.

As a 35 year old I get the pure joy of watching the single mothers in my age group being treated like shit eventually forgotten in some cases. Not having to worry about bitches anymore feels like a gigantic boulder was lifted off of my head. There is a certain freedom to it. After awhile you barely even look at women anymore. A woman is just an object that occasionally gets in your way while walking through a hallway. Getting out of the game and embracing 2d only greatly enriched my life.

I still have some worries like them cooking up some single white male tax or something to give more shit to the meat sacks.

can you really explain why to me? because fulfillment comes with some sort of passion or importance and you just talk about these little casual things like they have no significance t o you. im not claiming they don't, but please show me how they fulfill you. doesn't need to be a multi page story like that other anons, but this isn't the small talk board. its not the platitudes board. defining yourself as 'hobbies, friends and religion and having fun and enjoying my life' isn't defining yourself at all.

>I dont make it my goal like other people I know who are always trying to find a girl.
My cousin was like that and to me it was so hard seeing him try so hard to get a girlfriend, it felt like he wanted a girlfriend just because. He finally found a girl and had a baby so I guess things turned out ok for him.

>as someone who doesn't focus their life on women my entire sense of joy comes from watching women suffer
wow you really stepped up. instead of talking about what fulfills you other then women you just talked about women.

I just focus on my hobbies and spend most of my money on them too. Don't really pursue women, at some point I gave up (not like I ever tried). I've been hanging out and going on "dates" you could say? with this girl who is a family friend, don't really expect anything from it but every now and then it's fun talking to someone who are not my parents.

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I dont really know how to explain it. I really just enjoy my life. Laughing with friends and enjoying everyday from morning to night. I just feel happy. I also dont put girls on a pedestal like others. Theyre just other people like me so what happens just happens. I dont trip about anything either so maybe thats why i dont feel like I need anything to improve my life. Im a go with the flow type of person. I hope i answered what you were asking.

It eventually will work for everyone. Everyones different and Im happy it worked well with your cousin.

Data mining MGTOW people to find out what they do

you are quite the nitpicker. beginning to think you are some ass hurt roastie.

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He just wants an honest answer about what fulfills you. What makes you happy on a genuine, deeper level when you don't have women to worry about in your life?

I rejected sex with a voluptuous qt 3.14 and I honestly don't know how I feel about it. She's a good person on the outside but her dabbling with shitty men and her shit real personality I just couldn't bring myself to end my wizard streak. What do you think robots?

its not nitpicking to say
>what fulfills you outside of women
and point out how retarded you are when your entire answer is about women.

thats not nitpicking. you were just retarded and did the exact opposite of what was asked. imagine going to work, being told to do your job, sleeping, and then calling your boss a 'nitpicker'.

A person who loves himself is worth 100 times more than somebody who doesn't. You did good.