What’s the point of being natural anymore?

no

This

his arms are bigger than his head.
he looks completely retarded

bigger = better

bcauz doin bb/fitness for health and aesthetics and not beeing unhealthy and look like a roided up guy who doesn't compete?

Cos i dont want to die at 47 like piana

>the “health” cope

Lmfao

WHATEVER IT TAKES

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False. Good proportions = better.

for me no cope bcauz i do a good amount of cardio and i like it.

>nipple piercing
May as well get the word "GAY" tattooed on his forehead

Post body

Having a functional reproductive system and living past 50.

To live past 55.

i won't roid til 30 something when T starts dropping

Nothing
If you wanna not roid because health impacts fine
But these natty loudmouths are on the same level as calisthenics fags preaching about how weights are bad
Let's face it, steroids produce gains
If you want to be a luddite fine but you can't bitch about people using them

This level of pathetic cope must die.

I'm natural and most likely won't ever roid but that's solely because I admit I'm scared of roiding/having to deal with the side effects. If there weren't any, I'd do it in a hearbeat. Natural bodybuilding is a joke and it pretty much doesn't even exist actually, even natural bb competitions are filled with guys who are dosing. Most Youtubers who claim natural are roiding. The actual natty limit looks pathetic compared to what we became accostumed to seeing in the media. There's no denying roiders have more muscle mass and are more aesthetic.

Justify your decision not to but stop fucking coping for fucks sake.

I remember being in awe of these physics, then I went to an irl gym and saw these types, and they were all 5'7 and down

seeing these physiques on short men stops being awe-inspiring, and just looks comical and kinda sad

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Literally no reason outside of health other than to feed the ego. I’m leaving natty behind as soon as I get cut. I’m mostly just concerned with whether I’ll keep gains or if I’ll need to cycle every year.

Blast and cruise

Less to worry about. Don't have to worry about erections, is my prostate getting swollen, liver tests, is my hair falling out, am I getting gyno, etc. Worrying about that is less stressful than getting mogged by a roider once in a blue moon, and natty lifters are still better off than the 95% of guys that don't lift.

*more stressful

The idea of worrying about all this is what's holding you back
Pull the trigger, ask that girl out, roid, punch the guy you hate in his face
Choose to not live in fear and to instead actually live as you want to

In other words stop being a scared pussy

based and gaypilled

Pros of being on roids:
>Being stronger even though you aren't a competitive athlete and would get banned from most sports
>Being appealing to the female equivalent of those disgusting creepers that like Pamela Anderson
>Having people assume you cheated to get your body

Cons of being on roids
>Possibility of systemic side effects, including infertility
>Long-term health complications and reduced longevity /fraud/ will tell you don't exist because they deny the effects of abnormal test on ageing
>Gyno
>Hair loss
>backne

>there is no reason not to roid
>if you don't wanna roid because you want to be healthy that's fine
???
That's retarded. Giving 0 fucks =/= killing yourself literally only for ego. You are doing the exact opposite of what you are preaching.
Giving 0 fucks means you won't jeopardize your health to get mired by some gymbros and to get with some used up club whores.

2nd and 3rd pros look like cons to me

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Because I want to have many HEALTHY children. My whole goal with fitness is to reach optimal health to produce high quality sperm. Same goes with my gf so she can house and incubate a baby in ideal conditions with a healthy body.

Bodybuilding is boyishness. You're not even an athlete and can't do shit in a real fight anyway so what is the point? Grow up, lift, learn to fight, have many kids.

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based and redpilled

This

You can look good natty, going beyond that is cope

And weights could slip your disc or tear your meniscus, they did both to me and I still lift

Men aren't supposed to worry about ooh my health or pH no this might happen
We are men, we are the firey pain when a disc slips, we are breaking the law, we're telling our eventual heart attack to fuck off because nothing is more scary than being too scared to eat that steak, to fuck that girl, to get so big and so strong that you can put your hands around the artic and antarctic and rip this miserable sphere in half because it had the temerity to attempt to live after you die

We are poetry in motion, we do not know fear

>fighting
my dude in this society full of degeneracy niggers will lose a fight and shoot you 20 minutes later

Retard logic, you should take care of your body

Achieve whatever physique is attainable by you within your means. Just because someone who’s juicing is bigger than you doesn’t mean you have to juice. Unless you’re geneticallt fucked you can achieve an impressive physique natty and without the use of juice. The only reasons to juice are
1. Being impatient/too stupid and undisciplined to get big otherwise
2. Wanting a physique past the natty limit because you’re tarded or shallow
3. You compete in bodybuilding or a strength sport in a fed that doesn’t test

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there is a difference between being brave and being pants on head retarded. You should go figure it out.

>being a man is about doing everything you can do to die sooner
Is everything okay at home user?

>pins
>gets a gay nipple piercing to hide it
>actually starts sucking cock
>needs a belt to hold in his roid gut

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lmao roiding isn't just a "you're impatient" thing. It's a ticket to to an admirable physique far faster.

If you roid you:
>Gain mass faster
>Gain strength faster
>Can gain a 3-year physique in 1 year or less
>Less spent overall on more expensive costs, like food and gym memberships

To make it easier to hide the fact you're pinning.

Left looks better, right looks ridiculous.

>it’s not just impatient it’s about getting it faster
Do roids actually make you retarded?

>roids make you *insert list of commonly known factoids”

Also
>less spent on food and gym memberships
Thanks user, you convinced me not to roid. My intelligence is important to me and I don’t want to end up like you.

>Less spent overall on more expensive costs, like food and gym memberships
What? You still need to work out so you don't save money on your gym membership and you still need to eat lots of food to build muscle. Plus you need to pay money for roids so you spend significantly more.

Now that’s just coping

Right is a guy at your local bodybuilding competition.
Left is a good looking guy with a job.

>gun
Both is ideal of course.

However, most confrontations I have been in my life would have been a 1 on 1 brawl if escalated. Most people don't want to kill another person but just smack him up a bit. Sometimes people snap and want to hit you.

With that said, sure, you won't probably be in many street fights. Even Joe Rogan said he's been in only 2 or 3 ever. However, being an actual athlete builds upon your journey as a man because you are self-imposing dicipline and hardship upon yourself to learn from.

I think people don't understand how different it is seeing these people irl compared to in photos.
Left will look like a guy who lifts and will 100% be mired by normies, while right will look ridiculous and like a cope.

t. retards who can only think about the current moment

>Gym membership cost for 3 years vs cost for 1 year
>$300 vs 900
>implying that you can't get cheap bulk food that's healthy
>"Plus you need to pay money for roids so you spend significantly more."
An entire cycle including PCT (6 months) costs about $500. Cutting transformation time from 3 years to 1 year saves literally thousands of dollars due to food costs and gym costs.

Do you think people on roids are just gonna stop working out the next two years?

>left will be 100% mired by normies
Stop, he’s borderline dyel

>right looks ridiculous irl
Have you never been to a gym where people take it seriously? Or are you just coping with the fact you still look like shit? Pic on the right looks 100x better irl than anyone on this board and the only ones thinking “he’s compensating” are the ones who feel insecure looking at him

You surely aren’t so retarded that you’re implying that bodybuilders can’t have jobs are you?

Post body big man

>if you juice you just need to workout for one year, do no maintenance after your cycle, and eat like shit, and you’ll be golden!
The state of this board. At this point I’m convinced you’re just another natty user LARPing as a fraud, because no steroid makes people this retarded

Dude, you're completely missing my point. Cycling with care, you can get a 3-year physique in 1. Past that I don't give a shit, for that initial transformation it's far faster and cheaper overall.

If people continue to roid that's another thing altogether, but what we were talking about are "lmao people are impatient" as-if a great natural physique took less than 3 years of consistent hard work and diet to achieve.

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You're dramatically overstating the risks of steroid use to make it less ambiguous. In reality most steroid side effects for most users are short term and/or manageable.

Risk of cardiovascular disease may be elevated, but so is the case for fatties or people who decide to use Accutane.

lol, quoting shit I wasn't even implying. Fucking dumbass. Of course you need to do maintenance, are you implying it's hard? Maintenance is fucking easy, even for retards. I never implied you shouldn't care about your diet, just "cheap and healthy" which is a staple of any successful diet unless you're loaded.

But in the next couple years you'll still need to roid and workout to maintain your physique.

>quoting shit I wasn’t implying

>go to the gym for one year (no maintenance)
>cheap bulk for a year (eat like shit)
>do a cycle and be done by the end of the year
kys retard.

I'm not even going to bother arguing with this, it's just too fucking stupid.

workout, yes, roid, not necessarily. One cycle isn't going to turn you into the fucking hulk. If you BNC then yeah you'll need roids to keep your physique, but for that initial push it's not a stretch to keep that physique.

>go to the gym for one year
you're implying I was implying that this is some retard starting a cycle on day 1. Nowhere did I imply that
>cheap food can't be healthy
okay fatty mcgoo
>do a cycle and be done by the end of the year
It's literally just a supplement to an already existing routine. What is so hard to understand about that.

>for that initial transformation it's far faster and cheaper overall
It would only be cheaper if you work out two years less in total. But you aren't going to stop working out so you don't actually save money.

>Risk of cardiovascular disease may be elevated, but so is the case for fatties
Yeah but I'm not fat so this isn't a concern for me lol

>SL 5x5 is shit for aestheti-

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> What’s the point of being natural anymore?
The only reason not to roid is not spending any money on bodybuilding; as it's a shitty hobby that has negligible returns unless your goal is to become male whore

Better put my money on hobbies that actually produce something (like photography) or, at least, get me some skill (like instruments)

FOR
THE
INITIAL
PHYSIQUE
TRANSFORMATION

WHY ARE YOU NOT GETTING THAT

I don't give a shit what they do after that. The point it's not lazy to want to speed up the process by 2 fucking years. Christ, you guys act like it's some privilege to count calories obsessively for 3 years straight for a physique that might not even be as good as results from a singular cycle.

Literally my only point is that roiding gets you to that initial transformation goal way faster and overall cheaper. If you keep going after that it's another thing entirely.

Your logic just doesn't make any sense. You are getting results faster but you are still going to work out for the same amount of time. Unless you decide to start lifting two years later and then catch up by juicing or stop lifting two years earlier than you otherwise would. Otherwise you don't save any money but instead spend more money because you have to factor in the cost for the steroids. Granted, you will get faster results but nobody disputes that.

Women look at you with lust 24/7 you have no idea how easy sex becomes at that point

You're an idiot, waste your time go ahead user. It's like you don't even wanna make it

I'm not fat and I don't use acutane. What now.

>being an actual athlete builds upon your journey as a man because you are self-imposing dicipline and hardship upon yourself to learn from.
Why do you think lifting doesn't do the same?

Your gym membership and food isn't free. Those costs build up exponentially over the course of 2 years, compared to the one. Like I pointed out in one of my earlier posts I go to a cheap gym that costs about 300 a year, so that alone would cost almost as much as 2 cycles over the course of 3 years

If you did plyometrics you could get the roided look without the roided feel desu

I want to waste my time having pointless sex with random women who may or may not even like me but want to fuck me anyway because of my body.

Being healthy

>wearing weightlifting belt when not lifting
>pierced nips

what a faggot

The stupidity of this user amazes me. Most if not 100% of the males who post here have a degree of pre or pubertal gyno. Gyno from AAS is preventable akin to getting pregnant while wearing a condom. While it might happen if you're stupid, it is usually not a problem for many. Most people who run AAS are smart enough to use an AI as well to prevent aromatisation. AIs and antiprolactins help you mold a god bod with ease.

The cycle initiates you into a lifestyle of lifting

I don't know why I am still responding because you are a literal retard. But your logic just doesn't work.

You only save money on your gym membership and food if you work out 2 years less.

Now let's say you work out for 15 years in total and take no roids. Then you pay food and gym membership for 15 years.

If you work out for 15 years but take roids for one year somwhere in that time frame you still pay gym membership and food for 15 years. Plus you pay for roids on top of that.

Yes, you make quicker gains in the second scenario. But the only way you could save money with this method is if you work out 2 years less. So are you going to start two years later or quit two years earlier because you took roids?

This really isn't hard to understand, user.

>exponentially
That's not what that word means, brainlet

T. Literal retard

Again, you're missing the fucking point I've repeated over and over again. This is strictly an argument against time and money regarding achieving a certain physique. Steroids get you there faster, which is cheaper overall IN THAT SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME VERSUS DOING IT NATURALLY. That was the only thing I was ever arguing. But keep reaching and moving the goalposts.

Lets other queers in the gym locker room his boipussy is available

>What’s the point of being natural anymore?
to maintain a normal-sized left ventricle

>which is cheaper overall IN THAT SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME
I get it, and that is shortsighted brainlet logic. It's like saying
>I am not buying fuel for my car today so I will safe tons of cash
and then buying it the next day. You don't save a dime overall. You are just ignoring the actual cost and looking at a ridiculously short timeframe. So there is no actual financial benefit.

That metaphor doesn't work you fucking retard. A car doesn't get improved from steroids.

Jesus christ is repeated myself 10 times now and you're still trying to twist it into something I was never arguing.

that's not what exponentially means

>take roids
>reach peak in 2 years
>alone because no one likes you
>go beyond
>30 pounds passed natty limit in 5 years
>die at 50 from a massive heart attack with the last 2 decades watching yourself rapidly decline in health loosing all your gains and having your emotional stability reduced to that of a scared child
>no one cries
or
>dont take roids
>achieve natty limit in 10 years
>forge naturally sustainable impeccably healthy body that has a perfect balance of mass, function, and stamina
>no cancer
>no tumors
>be naturally high test and ripped in your 60s
>play with you grand children
>drop dead in your 90s from old age while out and about with all your loved ones
>everyone cries

I'm not the guy you are arguing with, but you are in fact retarded. If your argument is the money you save then it doesnt matter how efficient you are, only how much money you spend. If you don't pay for gym+food in the 2 years after the first one then you will have a shit physique, worse than the one you would have had if you did 3 years as a natty. So you don't save anything. Your argument is the definition of shortsightedness.

I unironically like the one on the left more. mmmmm could lick those abs.

Longevity

Mostly true except you should probably still jump on TRT by 50

Why are you reaching so hard
You won't get a heart attack unless you use retarded amounts of gear, ffs frank zane was Mr olympia and look at him at 75

You're scared of needles or breaking the law cool, but ditch the sour grapes

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