If you're natural, why aren't you doing full body...

If you're natural, why aren't you doing full body? You know most of the sets you do on a split are wasted junk sets as a natural right?

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>not doing infinite reps

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you're right
but show us your body and stats

I am not playing this stupid post body game, just saying now before some meme trolly polley comes in pretending to be me and post some twink faggot delusional dyel bitch boy who thinks hes jacked.

what the fuck is this chart trying to tell me

dyel detected

if you're natural, why aren't you doing split?
it gave me better gains than fullbody and now I'm lifting 2/3/4/5 at 8% bf
not gonna post body btw

I think that three sets is all you need, but I’m not sure either.

The larger the space inbetween each line, the more effective the set is.

The pyramid on the left is what a brosciencetist gymrat on a bro-split believes the effectiveness of each set to be per session. He thinks about "destroying" the muscle with 20+ sets in a single session, so he then believes each set he does is just as effective as the last, no matter how many sets he does, infact he actually thinks the more sets he can squeeze in per session, the more effective his workout will be.


The reality of lifting, as a natural, is the pyramid on the right, your first working set is the most effective, followed by the 2nd and 3rd sets, then the effectiveness of the next sets drops dramatically at the 4th and 5th, and then is pretty much non-existent after the 5th set is done.

This why intelligent,science based routines all focus on efficiency, which is doing 3 main working sets for each muscle-group, because they know all the work and effort put into training that bodypart for the day is meaningless and does not account for anymore growth for naturals.

did you make that chart yourself? there has got to be a better way to get your point across. which btw isnt exactly a revelation, anyone whos read the sticky could tell you that.

DO YOU MEAN REPETITIONS OR SETS YOU FUCKING RETARD? SETS OF WHAT? 200? 2 MILLION?

>This why intelligent,science based routines all focus on efficiency, which is doing 3 main working sets for each muscle-group, because they know all the work and effort put into training that bodypart for the day is meaningless and does not account for anymore growth for naturals.
this is true.
but it's also true that after novice gains volume should increase to keep gains coming.
Nobody ever pulled trophys doing only 3x5 workouts.

Full body has the most current scientific evidence that supports it, but the problem I have is that most people who do full body routines, like OP, are obsessed with numbers without understanding that your muscle growth isn't a computer, or a simulation, but a flesh and blood complex biomechanical system.
Splits can work for natties who know how to train, and they tend to work well for people who have the time to spend in the gym. Full body is generally better for people who are short on time, but they miss the absolutely crucial point of working the muscle to honest fatigue, especially when they're trying to lift heavy, as many people her do. Working a muscle to fatigue is the most critical training principle that gets overlooked. Many people who work full body routines fail to work any muscles to fatigue during any of their workouts, because they're mixing it up too much.
It sounds like broscience, but the fact is that bodybuilders who look good always talk about the importance of working a muscle for "the pump" or for that hard fatigue, and for some people, a split is much more effective at that because it provides a variety of resistances for the targeted muscle and fatigues it in a way a full body workout rarely can.
I know I'm not explaining this extremely well, but Arnold goes into it in decent detail in his Encyclopedia of Contemporary Bodybuilding Revised Edition

Debating this shit on fit is stupid, because 90% of fit doesn't even lift.

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This is legit and I can confirm after 6 years of training that doing 20 sets for a muscle is not as effective as doing 5-6 high quality sets and calling it a day

The "fatiguing" the muscle is debunked and has no place in training, and scientific evidence shows that training to fatigue every session is terrible and has the opposite effect of what you want.

No professional athletes train to fatigue or exhaustion, thats how you end up fucking yourself over and never peaking.

All professional athletes, in all lifting and non-lifting sports, they do very high frequency, and they just do enough per training session to stimulate and then they stop, controlling for fatigue is extremely important, there is no scientific evidence that training to fatigue every session has any benefits, infact the evidence shows the complete opposite.

IDK about 3-5 sets per body part... that's like GTG which doesn't build muscle

but for each exercise it's good

PPL is superior. cope faggot

do you have any like... evidence?

No, you're confusing fatigue with failure. There is a very big difference in feeling fatigue in a specific muscle and training to failure. Science is good, and can be extremely helpful, but it's very difficult to control studies for weight training and muscle growth effectively. While literature reviews are skewed more towards full body training at the moment, there are still several recent and valid studies which find muscular fatigue to be a valuable training stimulus. Because the science is still incomplete, and likely will be for further decades, advice from professional bodybuilders and "conventional wisdom" gained from decades of experience is still a valuable resource for bodybuilders, and arguably a more valuable resource than the limited scientific studies available.

Why would anyone go on this board if they dont lift? I had literally zero interest in this board before i lifted.

Pretty good shitposting. Personally, i came across when gookmoot killed /asp/ by letting the rasslefags in. Most of martial arts fags moved here.

push/pull is superior to PPL

I've been doing 5x5 fullbody for years. Don't see the need for more than 5 sets