Why do normies care so much about being a good person?
I'm a piece of shit and I know it. I have no aspirations to be a good or moral person. I don't care if the kid who made my t-shirt got paid 20 cents a day and was beaten with a stick, I don't care about border hopping immigrant children, I don't care if I see someone shoplifting, I don't care about "the community". I'm out for me and I don't pretend otherwise, fuck everyone else.
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they believe in karma and morals the naive fools
I try to be a good person because I think that's how people should behave. No other reason. You're not edgy or different, in fact your opinion IS THE NORM. Most people are borderline sociopathic, most people only understand being crushed into submission and getting to a higher step up on the game of life so you can forcibly submit the people below you to your will is the name of the game. Feminists are climbing that ladder and make no mistake about it, it's about submitting people to their whim, not about justice/equality for women.
something to do with their egos and feeling useful for society.
I'm not edgy.
I don't go out of my way to be a cunt to people, I just don't care for other peoples problems. I could shoplift, steal or rob people if I wanted to. I've had the oppurtunity to do so happen a few times, but I weighed the pro's and con's and it's almost never worth the risk. Sure you make out with 10-50 bucks but the hassle of getting caught and talking to the police isn't worth it for me.
Like, if I see in the paper a kid got raped, I don't feel anything because I didn't fucking know him and even if I did, kids are cunts anyway. But ask your average normie and they're horrified and appaled.
Everything, from movies and TV shows to school and religion, everything in their lives, from kindergarten until now, has told them being a good person is the right way to live life. You can't undo years of brainwashing like that.
You do you. I try to be a better person because it makes others happy.
>weighed the pro's and con's and it's almost never worth the risk.
And there you go, this is how most people think. They don't actually care, they're just afraid of the social and legal consequences for being a full on sociopath, even though they would be if allowed to be.
>But ask your average normie and they're horrified and appaled.
Assuming it's your average normie, in a situation that's not appropriate to have it brought up most normies have a very narrow and "peaceful" perception of reality in western countries. They're not upset or horrified about what happened to the person, they're more horrified that it challenges their preconceived notion of their world, it's similar to telling some one they're wrong about something and showing proof but they just reject it in anger. They're actually more scared that it will happen to them, most of the time.
>"i dont care"
>makes post anyway about how he thinks about it
by literally every metric, success relies on being "good" among a community. if you don't care about success then you're just a sore loser.
"I don't care" doesn't mean "I don't care about anything at all, even amusing myself by creating threads or pondering why normies do what they do" you pedantic autist. You clearly get the gist of my point, stop being such a nitpicky whore, it's pathetic.
>if you don't care about success then you're just a sore loser.
I am, but not in the way you think.
I'm sore about the fact that real life isn't 1/100th as interesting, fun or fair as fiction. Real life offers me nothing but pain, so why bother participating in it more than I have to?
You LARP sociopaths make people who really dont feel empathy for nearly everyone look like edgy kids.
You think its fun being a kid and dealing with the fact you dont feel for or care for your mum when she is sick etc.
Just because you lack empathy doesnt mean you are a bad person, it can help us become bad though.
That's, in reality, normal human functionality. We compartmentalize things by subconsciously asking ourselves "why should I care?" Humans are, by default, sociopaths. We use culture to shape and control that sociopathic behavior by inventing kin systems.
>Care about X because they're your sister!
>Care about X because they're your cousin
>Care about X because they're your neighbor
>Care about X because they're from your county!
>Care about X because they're from your state!
>Care about X because they're your countryman
>Care about X because they're a human bean just like you!
If people cared about what happened to every other human being on the planet then we'd be emotionally crippled. That's what modern culture does and says "Well how would YOU feel if it was YOUR daughter getting raped!?" your response would be "I'd be mad as hell" so you then apply the imagery of your daughter being violated to an unknown person simply to bring the emotions closer to home so you can feel outrage. But what does this outrage get you? If you're in a position to do something about it then it gets you off your ass. If you're like 99% of the world then it's needless emotions and heart string tugging.
Yeah but my apathy extends to my own family.
My sister got mugged one time, I didn't care because I don't like her. I don't like her as a person and I don't feel any familial connection to any of my family members. I agree that normally that's how humans operate but I'm curious if I'm the rare outlier or if there's a ton of people out there who despise their own family but pretend not to for whatever reason.
It's not about being a "good" person, it's about being a functioning person user. Not in a work-ethic sense either, but having an actual understanding of your emotions is essential to understanding yourself whole.
If you look at someone dying and feel nothing, it's not because you're a bad person, you're just so disillusioned you've made yourself not care because it's the easiest way to cope with what little power you hold in the world at large.
"I cannot change anything, I don't want to understand anything, why should I care about anyone else anyway?" And because of that, you've stagnated as a human.
>That's, in reality, normal human functionality. We compartmentalize things by subconsciously asking ourselves "why should I care?" Humans are, by default, sociopaths. We use culture to shape and control that sociopathic behavior by inventing kin systems.
Nope, humans show altruistic behavior as babies. Try again.
This. Being sociopathic is the norm. Why do you think you were bullied in school. Principled and empathetic people are a statistical minority. You are the normie, OP.
You'd be surprised how many people barely care for their own family members especially ones they don't like.
fuck off you edgy teenager. you're either a part of the problem, or a part of the solution. I choose the latter because I'm not 15.
Outliers do not make the rule. Altruistic behavior is inherently selfish behavior because humans are social animals and altruism comes with its own set of rewards. If a baby helps another build their little toy tower they get to enjoy the satisfaction of having aided in tower construction. If they give another baby their treat who went without they're currying some form of favor. Babies also learn from their parents and parents are extremely helpful.
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>Why do normies care so much about being a good person?
They don't. They just want to make themselves look good. I've heard many people parrot this and then 2 minutes later they're talking smack about someone. Normies are full of shit
>AlTruIstIc BeHaVioUr iS inHerEnTeLy SeLfiSh
There comes the mental gymnastics
>i'm a good person
cope of the loser.
Why do you care what other people think of you?
>reddit spacing
>normie
>edgy as fuck teenager post
>smug anime girl
You have to go back.
Regardless of whether someone cares about other people or not, I think we can all agree that anyone who makes a big deal about being morally superior ends up sounding like a colossal faggot
They don't. They want to justify their selfishness and actions. Convincing themselves and others around them that they are 'good' is all the justification they need.
>as fiction
brainlet detected.
The only brainlet here is the one who thinks this reality has anything worthwhile to offer
Fiction is incredibly simple and linear. Its mostly made for children and people who are too stupid to succeed in real life. Thinking fiction is interesting past the age of 21 is a major sign of a person having a low iq and being very simple minded. Just look at how all the normies are glued to their media consumption devices and netflix all the time.
>Just look at how all the normies are glued to their media consumption devices and netflix all the time.
There's a vast difference between what netflix puts out and games like Vagrant Story, Metal Gear Solid 3, Ico and Fallout New Vegas, anime like Cowboy Bebop, Evangelion, Ghost in the Shell or movies like Blade Runner, Heat or Collateral. You can keep your reality, it's a pale immitation of fantasy. The heights of "success" in this dimension offer nothing of actually worth, at least fiction makes me feel whole for a while.
>Vagrant Story, Metal Gear Solid 3, Ico and Fallout New Vegas, anime like Cowboy Bebop, Evangelion, Ghost in the Shell or movies like Blade Runner, Heat or Collatera
These are all normalfag tier.
Piss off retard.
You know full well if you ask a random normie about any of those they won't know what the fuck you're talking about. I have plenty of obscure games/movies/anime I like, they're just not my absolute favourites.
>You can keep your reality, it's a pale immitation of fantasy.
Thats L I T E R A L L Y what fiction is lmao.
Doesnt matter what media you consume, its all made for either children or people who failed in life and engage in escapism to soothe their butthurt at their failures in life. You prove the point by showing how much of an idiot you are by pointing out specific examples and missing the central point like a brainlet.
>muh success doesnt matter
Then why couldnt you succeed? If its all so simple and easy, why did you fail? Wouldnt that make you a fucking retard if success in this reality is so simple yet you still couldnt succeed? Top tier cope
>Why do normies care so much about being a good person?
What are you talking about? they only like to play the good person character with certain humans. They don't care about humanity in general , even less about other sentient beings like non- human animals.
>Then why couldnt you succeed?
Because I never tried to from the start. I didn't try and fail, I never tried. I don't want what you call "success". Money doesn't help, relationships/friendships don't help, a job doesn't help. The only thing that fills the emptiness in me is fiction, and nothing you say will shame me into feeling bad about living like this.
Fuck the greater good, fuck living for something bigger than yourself, that's all platitudes people tell themselves. You're just butthurt because you're putting in so much effort and sacrificing so much and you can't handle the fact that someone like me just doesn't care. I'm not impressed or jealous or interested at all and you can't take it because in your mind accepting that means accepting that all your efforts were in pursuit of an illusion.
Not the person you replied to, but I just wanted to point out that this is a very good answer
Oh, you will care eventually user, just wait.
If you don't care. why'd you even comment in/start the thread?
>Thats L I T E R A L L Y what fiction is lmao.
That's the common perception, but if you actually sit and think about it:
Real life
>People are fickle and selfish
>Things happen seemingly at random and more often than not fizzle out into nothing
>99% of human existence is boring tedium
Fantasy
>People, good or evil or anywhere in between, hold strong beliefs and act on them at all times
>Everything happens for a reason, or at least gets resolved in a satisfying way
>99% of ficticious existence is interesting at worst and seat grippingly compelling at best
Because I felt like it and it's fun to debate people. That's it idiot.
I fucking hate when morons like you keep saying "hurr why'd you make the thread if you don't care", as if you're super fucking clever. I made it because I felt like it, that's the extent of the thought process involved.
If you're so driven in life why are you posting in r9k threads on a weekend evening? See? We can both ask retarded questions that sound slick but aren't relevant.
>Because I felt like it and it's fun to debate people
But. You're a emotionless edgelord? Kind of runs contrary to the purpose of having fun or feeling anything.
It's not slick, it's me pointing out that you just lack emotional intelligence and are venting out that anger by being edgy.
You feel feelings, you aren't some bad ass invincible human, grow up.
You pointed out that his question was stupid when actually it is perfectly valid. If you truly feel that nothing compels you to succeed, to help others succeed or to value your own accomplishments, then why would you bother showing off your intellectual superiority?
Btw, having a lack of empathy towards others is actually a much lazier way of thinking than the alternative.
You're still acting the smarmy passive aggressive retard. You're not clever or interesting, you're boring and missing the point of everything I say. You're an insecure failed normie and that's all you'll ever be.
>If you truly feel that nothing compels you to succeed, to help others succeed or to value your own accomplishments, then why would you bother showing off your intellectual superiority?
Because in my mind I'm not showing off "intellectual superiority". That's all in your head, that's all your insecurity. I never once stated I thought I was better or above people, you just saw that because you're insecure about that.
>Btw, having a lack of empathy towards others is actually a much lazier way of thinking than the alternative
Whatever helps you sleep at night. I'm not making an active choice to not care, I just don't and never have.
the 2 cent "therapists" posting in this thread are somewhat hilarious
While your post sounds edgy, I see what you mean.
I'm indifferent to everything, I'm not intentionally bad or good.
You failed before you even started. If there is ever a testament to weakness and failure, this is it.
>the fact that someone like me just doesn't care
Top fucking kek. Your opinion couldnt be any more irrelevant and worthless. Trust me, absolutely no one cares what you think about their successes. Everyone knows you are a seething jealous loser anyways.
Exactly
Real life
>complicated
>nothing is simple
>nothing is clear
>everything can change any minute
>every new occurance truly new and interesting
>takes actual skill and competence to navigate
Fantasy
>black and white, everything dumbed down so children and failed manchildren can easily understand it
>simple predictable storyline so it doesnt scare the autists with new things that they cant comprehend
>everything basically the same rehashed stuff
>meaning is forced onto things, no subtlety
Basically you're a manchild
>nothing is simple
>nothing is clear
Surprised how quickly you brand him off as a jealous loser or unsuccesful person, when you're at best a meme therapist. He's likely a youngster that will change his mind with time, I just wanted to say one of my goals is being good enough at what I do so I can push retards like you out of the workforce or at least prevent you from peddling your watered down outlook and useless platitues
Your actions effect others and have consequences. You're under no obligation to be a decent person. But don't bitch if it comes back to bite you, or you need help and no one is there because they don't give a shit about you.
If you push everyone away like this, no one is around to give a shit about your behavior.
In real life the solutions to political problems are simple but politicians make it over complicated.
>Trust me, absolutely no one cares what you think about their successes.
You clearly do as you're defending yourself to what you consider a "jealous loser".
>Everyone knows you are a seething jealous loser anyways
Wrong again I'm afraid. I've got no interest in what you term success.
>Real life
>complicated
>nothing is simple
>nothing is clear
Wow, what a truly awful fucking existence that sounds like.
>everything can change any minute
Yeah in the most mundane ways possible 99.999999999% of the time
>every new occurance truly new and interesting
pfffft fuck off retard, you're just straight up lying now
>takes actual skill and competence to navigate
Not really, I've been a NEET for 10 years and I'm still here.
Fantasy
>black and white, everything dumbed down so children and failed manchildren can easily understand it
Have you ever read/seen/played any fantasy? There's plenty of grey out there if you look.
>simple predictable storyline so it doesnt scare the autists with new things that they cant comprehend
Try again retard
>everything basically the same rehashed stuff
>meaning is forced onto things, no subtlety
Wow you're actually just fucking braindead.
Are you some autist who saw a few disney films as a kid and then swore off fiction for life? Because that's what it sounds like.
The very first question you asked was "Why do normies care so much about being a good person?". Since you are posting on Jow Forums, it is reasonable to assume that you are placing yourself above said normies. Consequently, it is also reasonable to assume that you hold the position that being socially apathetic is superior to being empathetic.
So yes, though you may not directly realize it, you are establishing your intellectual superiority. Unless, of course, you think that normies are simply a dichotomous group of individuals with a set of characteristics that is equally valuable to those of robots (which I highly doubt).
What a pile of absolute bullshit
I'm aware of all that. I'm not just acting off of my own thoughts, I've seen what's happened to my relatives who "tried" at life and they're not better off for it.
>Grandfather had a stroke and needs to be fed his food, his kids hate him for never being home, he has no money and all his "friends" up and disappeared on him as soon as some effor and empathy was expected from them
>Grandmother is an alcoholic who also had a stroke and needs to be fed/bathed/moved by a carer because, again, all her friends ran off as soon as shit wasn't peaches and cream anymore
The biggest "success" in my family, is my aunt. And even she's been divorced twice, has 2 kids by 2 fathers, is so miserable and empty inside she spends all day eating and drinking despite supposedly being "happily married". From what I've seen of people who "try", they just end up as battered and broken as those who don't bother.
>"Why do normies care so much about being a good person?". Since you are posting on Jow Forums, it is reasonable to assume that you are placing yourself above said normies
WRONG, I consider myself to the side of them. Neither better or worse than them.
>Consequently, it is also reasonable to assume that you hold the position that being socially apathetic is superior to being empathetic.
Not superior, just more honest and practical.
>So yes, though you may not directly realize it, you are establishing your intellectual superiority
Nope, that's still just your insecurity.
Like illegal immigration, just make the law different so children of illegals are illegal and then find all the illegal aliens and deport them on a bus or airplane. Or the cure to HIV in Africa. Just go to places like Botswana, test everyone for HIV, sterilize and quarantine them. Then there is no more HIV. Or the housing crisis. The government can just add some extra taxes and build cheap homes for everyone.
It largely doesn't matter what goes on inside your mind, how you view your actions or what you say. You are largely behaviorally moral through your actions.
My man, all the "simple" political solutions you just presented end up clashing with various moral stances which are in itself quite debatable.
Congratualations on the first interesting reply in the thread so far.
I never really thought about it like that.
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OP you're going to end up helping for the greater good, even if you are conflicted with the idea
If you ignore morals except in the end justifies the means sense you can end up fixing poverty and HIV. You can fix almost every problem fast. We can have a lot more technology and medical research too.
OP here, this is part of why I just check out of caring completely.
Stem cell research and cloning is a big taboo because of whiny normies going "it's WRONG", when the benefits are the biggest win for medicine in the history of mankind. We're on the verge of a magical cure all actually being real but we're "not allowed" to pursue it because of a bunch of pathetic cry babies.
How can I be expected to give a fuck about a society like that?
>creating a sentient entity to serve purely mechanical purposes is somehow not morally wrong
>thinking utilitarianism isn't a highly flawed philosophical perspective since there is no certain way of knowing the exact consequences of our actions
I don't see the point of caring about things I can do nothing about. There's so much information overload and everyone demands you care about every cause. And the solutions people offer are things that would make our lives worse and not better because of morals.
Look how slow medical research is. That's why people do risky procedures in foreign countries. They know the FDA takes 10 million years to approve anything because of all this red tape.
>creating a sentient entity to serve purely mechanical purposes is somehow not morally wrong
Like I said, I don't care if it's wrong. If I get a lung transplant and some clone ends up in the garbage dump, I don't care.
>thinking utilitarianism isn't a highly flawed philosophical perspective since there is no certain way of knowing the exact consequences of our actions
I'll take it over "it makes me feel sad so you can't have it"
I think you ought to read Brave New World.
>he thinks normies care about being good people
I'm already living it. I live in the UK.
When you accuse them of being a shitty or bad person they get irrationally mad, so yes I do think they care about being good or at least appearing good
This is why we need a white genocide folks. They're all like this
Because caring about being a good person is what makes society work, ot is what makes us human.
We can bring back extinct animals like the Wooly Mammoth and other extinct animals back from cloning. We can bring back neanderthals and study them. Do you really not want this?
wanting to appear good is way fucking different than actually wanting to be good
Im not defending myself, im saying you're a loser. I didnt even say im succesful
>Im not defending myself, im saying you're a loser.
Ok? And?
>I didnt even say im succesful
Then why are you defending a position you're not part of? Because you're a failed normie and I'm triggering you probably.
Its not about how people feel. That "clone" is objectively a person. You do not have the right to cannibalize another person for your own ends.
>But that hurts my feelings! I want it and if you take it away from me that makes me sad!
I dont care about how you feel ;)
>Ok? And?
So you're wrong.
Because you are objectively wrong and i have to point out the truth
What about cloning extinct animals and extinct evolutionary groups?
>So you're wrong.
>Because you are objectively wrong
weak
>That "clone" is objectively a person. You do not have the right to cannibalize another person for your own ends.
Says you.
There's no universal law saying that, it's purely down to how you feel on the subject. And I don't feel bad about it.
>I dont care about how you feel ;)
No, you just care about how you feel. I'm not the selfish, cruel one. You are. You'd sit there and let your own son die if the only cure was taking an organ from a clone and letting it die instead? Really? Or is it one rule for you and another for everyone else, you hypocrite?
Thats replying to two different parts of your post, brainlet. The second is not supporting the first, they're different arguments
Holy shit are you retarded? Its literally human being. If i dont "feel" you are human then do you suddenly not become human? Fucktard
Yes, you are the selfish cruel and the point of that post was to turn your "logic" back on you because it applies more to you than anyone else. You are literally saying i dont care who dies as long as i live, thats the definition of being cruel and selfish.
>You'd sit there and let your own son die if the only cure was taking an organ from a clone and letting it die instead?
Thats an argument from emotion. "But how do you feel!". Try logic next time
Your argument is "you're objectively wrong", which is dumb argument on a debate about morals.
>Its literally human being.
No it's not. It's a copy of one, it's a spare. It's not equal to a natural born human being, it was birthed for purely practical reasons and your feelings don't change that.
>Thats an argument from emotion. "But how do you feel!".
So what? Are you a human or an unfeeling robot? You don't operate on logic alone so stop pretending you do. You know full well you'd do anything possible to save your son. You're wrong, just admit it.
>success relies on being "good" among a community
In what soap bubble do you live, and was it natural or drug induced?
My grandpa fell ill last week. I was pissed about the fact that I would have to visit him with my grandma everyday since she can't leave her home alone. Of course I want my grandpa to be ok, but that was my main concern.
really activated my almonds (unironically), this is interesting, can you elaborate more on this idea?
>Why do normies care so much about being a good person?
They don't. Most of them aren't good people
>I'm a piece of shit and I know it. I have no aspirations to be a good or moral person. I don't care if the kid who made my t-shirt got paid 20 cents a day and was beaten with a stick, I don't care about border hopping immigrant children, I don't care if I see someone shoplifting, I don't care about "the community". I'm out for me and I don't pretend otherwise, fuck everyone else.
Right, but because you don't care about something no one else should either? Remarkable narcissism.
Newflash dumbass normies don't care about anything but themselves. It's why they buy into consumerist, individualist bullshit. If anything you're the normie you low IQ faggot
The group sucks. Why should I place those morons that listen to mumble rap and believe everything on social media above myself?
> I don't care if it's wrong. If I get a lung transplant and some clone ends up in the garbage dump, I don't care.
And that's why people consider it morally wrong and (rightfully) inhumane. The Chinese government does the same with prisoners, farming some of them for organs. That 'clone' can be you, literally. Imagine you being brought into this world and finding out you're spare bodyparts. I'm not saying you should give a shit about others being exploited, but living in that kind of world does not sound like a good deal unless you're part of the rich/elite.
We already live in the world you fear.
Except instead of organs it's ipads and cheap clothing. You're just afraid of the next step, we're already on the path and nothing you say hanges that.
What I meant is that if your society is willing to clone real sentient human beings then to be used as spare parts then who knows what other 'moral 'limits can be broken for practical reasons.