True fact: the less sugars and starches you consume, the healthier you will be

True fact: the less sugars and starches you consume, the healthier you will be.

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why starches? are tatoes bad now?

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Not OP, but they are devoid of nutrients, will cause an insulin spike and contain antinutrients that will inhibit the absorption of other minerals. It's useless filler for taste at best and detrimental trash at worst. Never understood body builders eating loads of carbs, how is the body supposed to rebuild itself and become stronger with rice and potatoes?

Is protein good or bad? I eat a lot of protein (but still within calorie deficit range) and I'm concerned that it's stopping me from losing weight.

I eat the occasional sugary snack, especially on busy days. Once in a while wont kill you, and the bloodsugar helps when you really need some energy.

God shut the fuck up brainded twat.

>devoid of nutrients
>contain antinutrients
>inhibit the absorption of other minerals
sounds like a load of bullshit.

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>no carb
someone doesn't lift

true fact: red meat causes cancer

Niggers have to try this before passing judgment. Makes you feel way better and improves, not negates, recovery from exercise.

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I think a major issue is that people are not eating fruit when in season and in the amount that would've been stumbled upon in wildly in nature. A lot of fruits have been modified by man and not for the better. Indigenous tribes only consumed carbohydrates for caloric necessity when they couldn't get animals and superior nutrition from them.

I think the natural way of life is to subsist off of fat for energy, as that is how we are born and exist as long as we breastfeed.

Association is not causation.
Easy explanation: People who are eating rice and beans are the types of people who don't eat McDonald's.

>t.fruit juice drinker

That actually makes sense, I have been low energy on the days I felt full but ate little. I just need to up my cooking game because the meals I cook looking like doodoo and tasting bland don't make me wanna eat it.

I get about 80% of my diet from local sustainable farm. Good job saving the environment by eating agriculture cultivated by slaves who are shitting in the field and getting cancer from pesticides, meanwhile the produce is shipped on enormous cargo ships that exhale more Co2 than any fucking cow farts will.

Think of how big a fucking cow is. That's well over 1,000 pounds of meat. That can literally feed a person for almost a year

Eat nuts. Almonds, macadamia, hazelnut, pecan, para. All about 700kcal/100g at 5-10g carbs.

I started with eating a lot of eggs, bacon, muscle meats, avocado, veggies that fit within under 20g of carbs. A lot one bars too lol. Currently my daily eating is looking like raw liver, fish roe, 4-6 eggs mixed with raw milk, raw fermented dairy such as cheese, kefir, yogurt, muscle meats, bacon, sausage, any fish and I just got some wild caught scallops that I'm excited to try raw. It's something that you gotta just start off slowly and sustainably with, cuz I feel like I did stupid shit when I first started on keto, but I started to learn about nutrient dense foods and am always learning ways I can incorporate better, high quality nutrition into what I can eat. Maybe take a look at the ketorecipes reddit

>I think the natural way of life is to subsist off of fat for energy, as that is how we are born and exist as long as we breastfeed.
this is a very interesting claim. breastmilk and fat-heavy diets are good for growing children and for adults who need to gain weight. however an adults body operates differently because it is no longer growing. so I am skeptical about the suitability of a high fat diet for adults who are maintaining their body.

thanks lads, hope has been restored

the people with access to world class nutritionists and strength coaches aren't relying on "traditional wisdom", they're literally doing everything in their power to be the best. weird how none of them train on low carb diets.

it's almost as if carbs are a really good energy source or something

but you should try to get into contact with some NFL teams or some olympians and let them know that they're doing it all wrong

There's a reason the appeal to authority exists. Anyway, if you want an example of a keto athlete (there are many), Shawn Baker is one who has broken world records several times.

I think the presence of fat is important for all stages, as vitamin A, D, K2, cholesterol and I'm sure other things need fat in order to properly metabolize in the body and be stored and most of those fat-soluble vitamins are only present in the most bioavaiable form in high quality animal fats. An adult gaining weight with a primarily fat diet sounds counterintuitive, but taking in both fats and carbs seems like a sure way to gain a bunch of weight, as you're getting two forms of energy that body has no choice but to store. Doesn't sound like a healthy way to go.

Not gonna claim to be an extremely well read and researched eater or nutritionist or anything, but I try to put in perspective we would've eaten before agriculture became so prevalent at least 7000 years ago and why we regarded organ meats to be holy grails of power among other factors of living then

your points about fruit intake and cultivated fruits are well taken.
it's true that fruit juice and other foods which have been cultivated to be excessively sweet are not as nutritionally valuable as fruits that grow closer to their wild form.
as for seasonality and encountering fruit in nature, I think you are missing the mark. a hunter-gatherer that stumbles across a good fruit source would stuff himself full of fruit because he doesn't know when the next easy meal will come. since we have access to supermarkets and greenhouses, we can control our portions and eat an optimal serving each day.
a similar argument can be made against seasonality. your body's nutritional requirements don't change throughout the year, so if you can eat consistently regardless of seasons, you should have a better outcome.
one rule I have heard is to eat fruit from your lattitude, either where you currently live or where your ancestors come from. this should increase the quality of your fruit intake.

user can repeat catch phrases but has never taken a statistics class: the post
also, my whole family eats rice and beans and sometimes mcdonalds, so your inane stereotyping is ineffective.
in the study, it says that test subjects were instructed to make no other changes to their diet besides just the bean rice ratio. so they were controlling for the effect of confounding variables like fast food intake.

>Shawn Baker
aka the first guy to shill this shitty diet on the JRE podcast. He also sounds and looks like a burn victim and comes off as a pathological liar. Next your going to mention Peterson, right? The guy who couldn't sleep for a whole month because he drank a glass of cidar.

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>all these buzzwords with no evidence
Reminder kids to take any advice posted here with an ocean's worth of salt

you're right that some fat is necessary in any diet in order to metabolize vitamins and do other healthy stuff. what percentage of your caloric intake comes from fat versus carbs versus protein seems to still be up for debate though.
I don't think the mere copresence of fat and carbs would cause weight gain. I subscribe to the calories in/ calories out theory, so I think weight gain would be caused by the amount of calories you take in, not by where those calories come from.

>user can repeat catch phrases but has never taken a statistics class: the post
Knowing how to interpret studies properly is far different from knowing statistics. I'm sorry you can't tell the difference.
>also, my whole family eats rice and beans and sometimes mcdonalds, so your inane stereotyping is ineffective.
Proves my point: the results of epidemiological studies are muddled by data like this.
>in the study, it says that test subjects were instructed to make no other changes to their diet besides just the bean rice ratio. so they were controlling for the effect of confounding variables like fast food intake.
They were instructed to. Doesn't mean they tracked what they were eating. People are unreliable when they rely on their intuition.

This isn't an argument. Bottom line: If you're too close-minded to try it for 30 days and find out what is true for yourself, rather than relying on other people like an infant, I dunno what to tell you.

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I agree that our nutritional needs are static throughout the year but I don't see what necessity fruit bears. There are essential fatty acids, essential amino acids, but no essential carbohydrates. It seems that fruit is only a vessel for sugar, vitamin C, fiber and electrolytes. I think that we can all agree that sugar in excess is bad, I personally think fiber is useless, and vitamin C from what I've read mainly acts as a means of metabolizing sugar, but organ meats have proportional as much vitamin C as a mango. For me, the cons outweigh the pros in regards to fruit. But boy howdy does it taste fine and I'll probably eat a lot more berries when summer comes around.

>all this raw stuff
Gay larping

i think someone farted in my eye

Yeah Shawn Baker doesn't know what he's talking about, same with the Petersons. Eating primarily animal products is a superior way of nutrition though and eliminates inflammation from foods most are intolerant to

No lol, you're just hipsters. Not even your own brand, regular tier.

- Anonymous from a fitness board on an anonymous anime imageboard.

Fucking lmao. You retards will believe everything posted here and take any advice from here and then gonna make threads wondering why are you still look like a skinnyfat sack of shit after 2 years of lifting.

Yeah, I don't think my words are doctrine, but if it makes any anons interested and contemplate it then they can just look into the shit I'm talking about
>monocropping
>soil nutrient depletion
>oxalates
>phytates
>soaking, fermenting, sprouting, properly prepairing grains and veggies
>Weston A Price
>"The Fat of the Land"
>"Nutrition and Physical Degeneration"

I genuinely believe and know that because I did not get optimal nutrition and was fed grains and soi for a majority of my upbringing is why I needed glasses, braces, and had asthma. Ever since changing my way of eating I don't need an inhaler anymore though after many many many years of having it. This shit isn't just "genetics". Half of children born in 2025 are going to be diagnosed autistic and people won't think twice about nutrition and continue to eat plant based as the government tells them to

Someone's been reading Eat To Live. Great nutrion book, just has your average textbook fluff

I'll take the bait.
This particular study, like most studies, bases its conclusion on a statistical analysis of data. If you knew anything about either statistics or scientific research, you would know that "interpreting studies properly" requires you to understand their statistical method.
You don't even know what epidemiological means, and my anecdotal counterexample proves only that your stereotype is false.
Like I already said, they used randomized trials to control for external variables such as pre-existing eating habits. This is a statistical method that negates the influence of subjects "relying on their intuition."

Oh, and I'll bet you a homemade bowl of rice and beans that pic related describes you perfectly.

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Show me one decently strong person who doesn't eat carbs

can someone translate this nigga?

Low carb diets have been found in RCTs to increase LDL cholesterol
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26768850

ketokult is a meme

Don't eat bacon every day user. Red meat (might) be okay but bacon is a recognised carcinogen.

>still afraid of the cholesterol bad joojoo

already debunked as a causative factor in heart disease

>2019
>still eating carbs, fats or proteins
>shiggydiggy

Shawn Baker lost his medical licence due to incompetence and dishonesty. He only eats steak (no organ meat) which even the rest of the carnie club are against because it will leave him with nutritional deficiencies.

After Joe Rogan gave him shit he finally got blood work done revealing he had: raised cholesterol, low test, and was pre diabetic and probably had metabolic syndrome.

No it hasn't

Yeah, that's why I said he doesn't know what he's talking about, which I'm now realizing is quite an exaggerated statement, but yeah the fact that he doesn't eat organ meats is pretty awful, along with the assumption that most of the meat he eats is low quality, grain and soi fed. Guy just assumes that eating 2lbs of ribeye and some salmon is all you need

Not that guy but cholesterol and saturated fat have no link to heart disease. Here's a solid start on why cholesterol is extremely necessary for the function of your vessel

raw-milk-facts.com/cholesterol_primer_T3.html

>potatos are devoid of nutrients
can someone please shoot this dumb retard
the plants themselves need nutrients in order to grow, think for a fucking second before listening to retards about muh nutrient depleted soils, ofc the quality has been going down but the actual net difference is minimal at best, this has been studied plenty already, this meme about nutrient depleted soils was pushed by retards who looked at nutrients found in old domesticated fruit with more modern fruit for the most part, we have been selecting for less nutritious fruit that tastes better ever since agriculture became the norm.

This, sunlight is all we need

So, we already forgot the test crash of that one dude who went carnivore?

Nice. Guys, I know you're Americans, and Americans are stupid, but please, some common sense here.

>No carbs

Look much leaner, stable energy throughout the day. However, poorer recovery and performance in gym

>carbs

Improved performance and recovery. Steadily gain fat.

>still afraid of strokes and heart attacks

already le debunked

Also, it's not cholesterol that is the issue, it's oxidized and gylcated cholesterol which only occurs from carbohydrate and polyunsaturated fat intake and inflammation of the arteries due to unnatural carbs and oils.

Nature gave us fat and cholesterol in the most natural forms of animal life. It's what we subsisted off of primarily for over two million years

True fact: Getting shot in the head heavily increases the possibility of dying.

True fact: Organised and regular circumcision of immature males is a distinctive mark of jews and muslims. There are over 1.8 billions of muslims and around 15 million jews on earth. Due to this the assumption that a male with a circumcised penis must be under jewish or islamic influence is almost everytime a true one. Now look into your underwear, amerimutt ...

>Not that guy but cholesterol and saturated fat have no link to heart disease.
opinion discarded

Jews also believe that the jewish heritage is given by the mother. In the USNA mostly women are behind the mutilation of baby dicks.

THINK!

wrong thread boi

I wonder who's behind this post ....

Source, you're flying in the face of the advice of the medical establishment you know.

> Nature gave us fat and cholesterol in the most natural forms of animal life. It's what we subsisted off of primarily for over two million years
Yes, and we passed on our genes before a life of eating such things could have an effect (death in your 40s or 50s).

>After Joe Rogan gave him shit he finally got blood work done revealing he had: raised cholesterol, low test, and was pre diabetic and probably had metabolic syndrome.
How do you reconcile the fact that he's capable of deadlifting 500lbs for reps and has no symptoms of low-t with the fact of his low test? Not really convinced that there's a problem there.

As far as diabetes, there are some key differences in his bloodwork which indicate that he isn't actually prediabetic:
cholesterolcode.com/thoughts-on-shawn-bakers-labs/
>The A1c and fasting glucose are certainly consistent with someone who is prediabetic and likely on their way to full-blown Type 2. Well — that is — until you look at the fasting insulin. In what circumstance would you expect a high fasting glucose with a low fasting insulin?

>I see them all the time: low carb athletes.

Cholesterol is analyzed here as well.

Got any links I can read up on?

We're discussing the carnivore diet, not circumcision. You're literally in the wrong thread.

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Jamie Lewis

FDA says to eat 70% plant based since the 80's and obesity has become a greater and greater epidemic since then. 75% of Americans are either overweight or obese now. Despite all of these government appointed studies saying we need less fat and more grains, our health keeps getting worse and will continue to be.

There are recorded indigenous tribes who lived high quality lives up into the 70's and 80's, Inuits, Massai, Swiss living in the Alps. They ate primarily animal based diets

1. You're assuming people followed this advice
2. Those tribes did not live that long, sorry you're spouting a falsehood.

>starches are devoid of nutrients
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There's a reason why populations all over the world have survived and thrived of potato based diets, they are plant organs that require pretty much every single nutrient you do in order to grow, they also have nitrogen in them that are not reflected in the protein content meaning they are more anabolic than they seem on paper.
In the case of normal white potatos over half the nitrogen content is not bound to protein, but free amino acids like lysine and arginine that considerably boost the protein content of the crop.
Potatos also contain an extremely strong metabolite of vitamin D3, calcitriol, thousands of times stronger than regular D3, this is so potent that it's considered risky for people who supplement D3 to even eat potatos.
The only nutrient potatos lack is vitamin B12.

>people eat way too many calories usually in the form of soda and pizza and chips and burgers
>I-IT'S THE PLANTS DOING THIS

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True fact: you shouldn't eat meat that you didn't kill yourself to avoid pumping yourself with female growth hormones.

>on roids
>also stimulants
who cares
every single ketoshill is on gear and stimulants like coffee or even worse cocaine because they undercarbed like fuck and can't function without their drugs

>You're assuming people followed this advice

evidence shows that, on average, the American diet has trended towards the advice. Not 100%, but it's moved towards it. And things have gotten worse.

>Every pro bodybuilder and other pro athlete is just fucking retarded and a dyel neet on anime imageboard has it all figured out
Lmao kys u dumb delusional fuck

>amerimutt
Wait, how prevalent is circumcision (for other than health reasons, like phimosis) in America? Barbarians, do they practice female genital mutiliation too?

How isn't this common sense here wtf

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Yeah and they're all bald. Weird huh?

no it hasn't, there's a difference between soda and carrots
the "plant" foods americans have been gorging on are sodas, oils, fries, americans also are eating over 3000 daily on average, that includes females

>t. Brainlet

The standard american diet is 70% plant based. People primarily eat grain, corn, and soi products. The fact that people still today think fat is bad is evidence of the influence of the government from the 50's-80's. The book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration has info on indigenous peoples diets, lifespan and health. It seems obvious to me that natural animal products are much better for us than plant oils that would've never existed in nature, grains with sugar dumped on them and all of the soi and corn products that is in a majority of supermarket items

I can stuff myself to the brim with animal products and not feel like shit, operate well and won't ever become obese no matter how much I eat because my body is actually utilizing everything I put in it. Pizza is primarily grain, as are chips, burgers are 50-60% grain and veggies

Carrots are mainly sugar and the vitamin A in them is in the form of beta carotene which has a low conversion rate in the body into retinol, the form of vitamin A that humans actually need. Vitamin A also need fat to metabolize, and you don't get fat from carrots. half of the population has a gene polymorphism that doesn't allow them to convert beta carotene at all, so it's useless to try to get it from plant sources. Carrots are just a sugary veggie for filler

But yeah, people are downing sodas like crazy. Along with that is the primary consumption of grains, which is historically what the elite would have the slaves subsist off of.

That guys 1rm deadlift is 255kg at idk 105kg bodyweight

Thats pathetic af desu but really not surprising if you dont get a proper energy source and have test levels of a little girl

Come on brah. We both know 255kg deadlift is impressive for a natty, and outlifts 99% of the human population.

Ofc they are bald they shoot roids up their asses like there is no tomorrow

Shit u really are dumb as fuck

if we go by facts... the less saturated fat and cholesterol you consume the longer you live.
but you will just deny it and post some blogs about how its good and shit.

I'm number 2

Until you've tried it, you can't really anticipate how good keto is. You can argue all day about studies, or what's healthier, but there is no knowing until you see it firsthand. It's only been about 10 days and I already catch myself sitting there with a fat smile on my face for no reason. The stable sense of wellbeing is unlike any other diet I've ever had - must be to do with gut bacteria. Even if it took 10 years off my life, it would still be worth it to experience several decades with a higher quality of life.

Yes because 99% of the population doesnt lift or if they do, just bench and curl

For powerlifting standards this is weak as fuck at his bodyweight and definitely not something that speaks for a carnivore diet

>Carrots are mainly sugar and the vitamin A
wrong
>form of beta carotene which has a low conversion rate
doesnt matter
>Vitamin A also need fat to metabolize, and you don't get fat from carrots.
thats why you should not consume carrots only you dumb twat
>half of the population has a gene polymorphism that doesn't allow them to convert beta carotene at all
how wrong can you get?
>Along with that is the primary consumption of grains, which is historically what the elite would have the slaves subsist off of.
not even a valid argument, the reason why the poor ate grains was becuase it was easier,faster and cheaper to grow then any fucking animal
you such a brainlet

Then why does France have a life expectancy of 82.27 years despite eating 40% fat on average?

The old studies of saturated fat and cholesterol causing heart disease have little to no evidence supporting them.

>Carrots are mainly sugar
no. they're mainly starch, its fiber content is 3x as high as the sugar content
starches are very optimal for human metabolism
>and the vitamin A in them is in the form of beta carotene which has a low conversion rate in the body into retinol
see, you don't even know the conversion rate, plus vitamin A is stored in your body and isn't recommended to eat in large ammounts.
The RDA takes into account beta carotene, meaning that it is not designed with retinol consumption in mind.
There is a calculation made which is named "retinol equivalent", check the retinol equivalent content of carrots, it's enormous, it's like a third of the beta carotene.
Also notice how I didn't even fucking mention vitamin A in any way shape or form in my previous post but that soda and carrots are both put in the same category by you and other retards for being both "plant foods", and thus the claim that americans have been getting fat on mostly plant diets is fucking retarded and dishonest.
Check the caloric intake of the average american, american adult males eat over 3500 calories a day and are sedentary, of course they're gonna get fat.
>Vitamin A also need fat to metabolize
That's why humans like other great apes have bile to aid absorption of fat soluble nutrients, plus is anyone here shilling for a literal 0 fat diet? You're all over the place with this dumb parroted shit.
>half of the population has a gene polymorphism that doesn't allow them to convert beta carotene at all,
Wrong and dishonest, half the population has a gene mutation that makes them less efficient at converting BC to retinol but it does not prevent it in any way shape or form, it merely reduces its regulation.
>so it's useless to try to get it from plant sources. Carrots are just a sugary veggie for filler
Wrong.
>But yeah, people are downing sodas like crazy.
Yeah and that plus overuse of oils and not to mention fast food is the reason why people are getting fat.

>The old studies of saturated fat and cholesterol causing heart disease have little to no evidence supporting them.
no one is talking about old studies
you seriously think that there are no new studies that prove it?
just look for yourself

>Then why does France have a life expectancy of 82.27 years despite eating 40% fat on average?
this is wrong