I am in my late 30s. I have been going to the gym for 20 years. The gym is a total scam. Here is what I have learnt:
You don't need to lift weights to get girls. The hottest girls I have had, were when I never lifted weights. Posture, the muscle mass obtained from things like hill sprints and swimming and so on, and good diet, are enough. I rarely even see a hot girl with a muscular guy.
Literally every single person in the gym is injured in some way. This is because lifting weights as a primary means of gaining muscle is dumb. There is no way to balance out all the muscles, and virtually none of the common lifts at the gym are anything life real life activities that you might find in hunter gatherer societies.
Nobody in the gym will ever look like the people in hunter gatherer societies. They will never have bodies anywhere near these people in terms of athleticism. Pretty much everybody in the gym looks like a complete retard. Their bodies have morphed into a strange shape due to the imperfect nature of the gym at simulating ancient life. Their pecs and lats rub against their body causing rashes, their legs look strange and rub against each other. Their posture is terrible, their stomach sticks out massively, etc.
Most people lift too heavy, screwing up their body. Humans are not meant to regularly lift weight as heavy as people do at the gym.
Parker Moore
The only real way to obtain muscle in modern life is through full body activities like sprinting, and activities that involve an extreme variety of movement, such as building a hut or whatever. This is the only way you can ensure your body actually works, the muscles are in proportion, and so on.
No other animal on earth lifts weights as a primary means of muscle gain. Muscle mass is created simply through the primary means of activity for that animal. In humans, that is walking, running, sprinting, jumping, crawling, etc. It is not created through external load. If this were the case, such as say, creating muscle by throwing a spear, it would create an extreme imbalance in muscles. You don't just think "well, I better throw the spear with the other hand to balance things out". No one in nature would "accidentally" progressively overload. "Oh I better get a heavier spear this time".
Muscle mass is primarily determined by hormone levels and diet, combined with the animal or humans primary activity. The reason many modern day humans look terrible is because their bodies do not work properly from sitting all day, leading to the inability to engage all the muscles properly during everyday life, and low testosterone levels.
Hudson Morgan
You can see the drastic effect testosterone levels have on people by observing those who take testosterone as a drug. I once worked with a girl who was on TRT. She did nothing but some very basic body-weight exercises, and she was pro-bodybuilder level of jacked. Most pro male bodybuilders these days rely on their drugs to grow muscle. This is a shift away from the old days, where it was a combination of drugs and work in the gym. People like Callum Von Moger can take a year or so off, and still look gigantic with drugs. The fitness industry is a scam. It is all about trying to take your money. If you take Athlean X for example, he is one of the most knowledgeable YouTubers. The thing is, he is still trying to con you. There is no need for the complexity in his programs. He just needs to keep putting out videos and giving people a reason to watch him. You can grow a giant chest with just flat bench and incline dumbbell press (I know because I have done it). Yet Jeff goes on about all of these weird and complex moves that simply aren't necessary at all. Girls are sold the gym based on the idea that they can grow their butt and look good. The problem is that the reason their butt doesn't look good is either due to genetics of their surrounding bone structure, or from sitting all day and not having a working body. None of the girls that lift weights even have good bodies.
The same goes for guys. Essentially, girls are looking for guys who have a good diet and hormone levels. The gym can never simulate this. If girls were looking for guys who "lift lots of weights" it would make no sense. There is no evolutionary advantage to finding a guy who does that.
Joseph Allen
The gym makes your face look worse. As you build muscle, the muscles in your face also change. This can be a good thing, but after a certain point, your face looks worse, making you less desirable to the opposite sex. Most lat exercises make your face "wide", for example. Many athletes are starting to go away from weight training. Kevin Lee said "he doesn't lift weights". He is most likely on steroids. That is the only real way a modern human can be athletic. Perform your primary task (martial arts in his case), and take steroids to boost your testosterone levels and gain muscle mass.
Most modern humans spend their lives trying to get fit. The only reason answer is to return to a hunter gatherer life. In the meantime though, there are an infinite number of scam artists willing to take your money to try to get you there. Whether it is by selling you expertise and complicated exercises, or by promising you everything will be fixed if you go to a gym and lift things up and down. You then start to run into all kinds of problems at the gym, and then have to go to Athlean X, or the next thing, and the next thing. It never ends.
At the end of the day, high intensity full body human movements like sprinting, swimming, etc, are the only things you can do. Combine this with adequate sunlight and good diet and reducing stress as much as you can, and you will be as fit as you can get without looking like a gym retard that is always injured and feels like they are stuffed in a box by their own muscles.
Thomas King
>spent 20 years lifting weights thinking he would attract females by doing it >now suffering from severe existential crisis he comes into Jow Forums to whine and cry about it and tell Jow Forums to forget the gym entirely Guess what? You're a fucking moron, all the way around. YOU DID IT ALL FOR THE WRONG REASONS AND HAVE ONLY YOURSELF TO BLAME!
Just kill yourself now.
Brayden Flores
Ahh, nowhere did I say that, but you need to find a way out of the topic so have to make up a strawman. The first time I started lifting weights was because my dad bought a gym in the garage and I just went and lifted so I could look like the guys in the movies like van dam.
Luis Cook
The reason you are so defensive is because what I have said hits home to you. You know about the injuries, about not being happy with how your body looks despite having muscle, the complexity of postural issues, and so on.
Jaxson Johnson
If you say so buddy. It's easy on an anonymous imageboard to backpedal, isn't it? But I'm not. I stand behind what I said and you can deny it all you want.
Chase Perez
At the end of the day, the gym is not the answer. There is no end to the journey where everything is fixed and right. There is no way to obtain a functioning body with weight training at the gym. Most experienced lifters come to this stage. I know a guy who has been lifting for a decade and wrote some instagram post saying the exact same thing just yesterday. He has now started to perform a bunch of weird exercises, he calls them "unconventional exercises" to get around his problems. He will soon find there is no way around them. The gym is not natural, the movements are not natural, there is no way to get what you want from a gym.
Matthew Brooks
No, you are retarded. Lifting weights actually got me more attention from girls at certain times in my life, so your claim isn't even true.
Hudson Allen
Shot tier bait.
Brody Turner
I have gone back and forth between gym and calisthenics several times over 10 years and I looked and felt like shit during the calisthenics only phases way worse than I felt like shit during heavy lifting.
Don't get me wrong past 2/3/4/5 I started feeling like shit in entirely different ways, now I believe in a balanced approach.
Muh pure calisthenics is retarded, I oughta know because I've been there.
Aiden Adams
Not everyone lifts for girls m8
Charles Garcia
your blog post makes sense.
i think your right. or at least more correct than the gym.
>Most lat exercises make your face "wide", for example.
everything in this rant is dumb
Jonathan Garcia
I don't lift weights to get girls.
Carson Lopez
>no other animal on earth lifts weights to build muscle No other animal on earth put robots on Mars either dipshit
Matthew Turner
Serious question - since only whites put robots on mars, does that imply different races have different optimum lifting/calisthenics ratios for health? Does that mean whites should do more lifting since we are clearly more natural tool users, while blacks for example should do primarily calisthenics?
Daniel Rivera
You posted this shit almost word for word like 2 weeks ago. Get a life, faggot
Ian Hughes
You have to remember that ww1 and ww2 fucked our gene pool pretty bad. Our warrior genetics lost because millions of young Jow Forums and high test men gave their lives for Isreal.
Brayden Gray
Fuck you fof snealing your gay assblog in
Xavier Clark
post body
Zachary Fisher
>discord trannies
Wyatt Wright
Every animal is the same. It is all just muscle and hormones. Gorillas sit around and do nothing yet have more muscle than everybody. As I pointed out, the same is true for humans. If you take testosterone and do virtually nothing, you will be more jacked than most people who go to the gym.
OP I tend to agree with you as I usually follow the more natural way of doing things based on our evolutionary past. I also think a lot of guys look retarded in the gym with their weird unbalanced muscles. However I still think their is some benefit to lifting weights, perhaps it is a substitution for lifting logs and rocks to construct things. Wouldn’t humans need to lift heavy materials to construct houses and other things. And then of course calisthenics as you are probably climbing and moving your body a lot to traverse the terrain. I’d say a good middle ground is combination of some free weight lifts, calisthenics, sprints and maybe swimming or climbing
Angel Campbell
20 years later and you still haven't figured out that weight training isn't about girls lol
Daniel White
It's about being bigger than your dad so he stops bullying you.
Brody Roberts
based and dominancepilled
Joseph Garcia
Lift because of the beauty of overcoming your own limits. Now that I have experienced it, I can't go back to being the same person I was before.
Luis Jenkins
ITT: The rantings of a guy who did bro-splits and PPL routines that ate a bro-diet who finally got burnt out. If only you just ate like a balanced diet, and did balanced training (full body) a few days a week, you wouldn't be all fucked up, injured and look all fucked up.
Thomas Hernandez
Nice blog, favorited so I can read it later. Do u have reddit also so I can give gold to you? :)
Anthony Peterson
I agree with you mostly but >The gym makes your face look worse. As you build muscle, the muscles in your face also change. This can be a good thing, but after a certain point, your face looks worse, making you less desirable to the opposite sex. Most lat exercises make your face "wide", for example. Can you explain how this works?
Alexander Brooks
What do you recommend to get physically fit then? Just cardio(running, swimming, etc)?
Carter Gomez
FUCKING BASED. I remember your other thread (if you only ever made 2)
I always knew this too and practice it. I mog everyone athletically and aesthetically. Posture and natural movements are underrated but sadly gymcells will just fucking cope and its annoying
Hill sprints, swimming, sports, and a hobby that involves physically building things.
Zachary Sullivan
"calisthenics"
not op but I bet you were doing shit like pullups and pushups instead of sprinting outside and swimming
Henry Peterson
also op, everything in my hundreds of hours of research on health and beauty all fall back onto the natural movements. Why not reach your top genetic potential and beauty instead of being a bloated gymcel?
Gabriel Anderson
Routine bro?
Matthew Walker
Based. Can you imagine what this fucker would look like in a natural setting?
>Went to the gym for 20 years >Thinks it's a scam No shit, retard You could have bought a home gym and paid it off 5x by now in gym membership savings
Leo Watson
Bunch of random shit really to be honest, a mix of everything. I mainly focus on sprinting and walking, and when its warm outside ill go swimming daily if I have the chance. Right now im working on squats (without weights of course) 100 every day since my body still cant go down like how babies can.
some redpills: Walking is god tier for posture. Literally nothing better to do in the world other then to simply walk. We are meant to walk for 8+ hours a day, which is why we have such good endurance, not to be confused with the supposed endurance for "running long distances" which only fucks you up and kills you slowly.
Sprinting is all the upper body work I need. Although I do think that it wouldnt hurt to do something like overhead press since to me it seems like a pretty natural movement. Every sprinter has huge wide shoulders and just overall look aesthetic
Even though this is all I do, my stats are pretty good
Most muscular people at my height weigh like 140 pounds at my bodyfat
Jacob Gomez
>5'8 >180 >10% >doesn't lift You realise you're blessed with great genetics right? This would never work for a guy like me with shit genes. I've been lifting for a long ass time and I'm still 6' 165 lbs 14%. I'm gonna have to lift for at least 1 more year and some change if I ever want to look good. Like OP said, it's about hormones and diet and for some us with shit hormones, we need to lift for years to look good.
Michael Perry
>Their bodies have morphed into a strange shape due to the imperfect nature of the gym at simulating ancient life. Their pecs and lats rub against their body causing rashes, their legs look strange and rub against each other. Their posture is terrible, their stomach sticks out massively, etc. This is my fetish.
Henry King
180 lbs 10% with athleticism is my goal body btw
John Young
>sneedville Fucking hell.
Oliver James
Lol g8 b8 m8 Hunter gatherers were dyels who were only good at running
Bentley Williams
if you once lifted weights you won't lose all of it if you don't starve yourself
Leo Sullivan
Lifting and sprinting is beneficial to mental health. Its meditative for me. It also releives stress, helps me sleep better and stimulates appetite. Which disproves your theory that lifting weights is pointless.
Yes, but to be honest what helps with hormones? I used to be a shit postured 120 pound skinny ugly r9k depressed manlet. This made me extremely redpilled on health and beauty and added with research and thorough thinking which has brought me through every corner of the internet back to the simple steps on how we are meant to use our bodies. How do you think Chad who played football since childhood got his good looks? Its due to good posture which leads to a well developed face, and with all the healthy exercises he has good hormones
Chad eats lots of food and doesnt get fat? Well thats because eating a lot IS good for you (as long as its healthy food ofc). Honestly the fattest fucking people I know get full after one burger, and I order x5 that and end up losing weight the next day
Adrian Nelson
of course ive tried lifting weights before, but 3 months max of actual weight lifting throughout the years, which would be impossible to reach my stats
Kayden Rodriguez
post body faggot
Samuel Thompson
Didn't read most of your retardation here but weightlifting has proven health benefits and it feels great. Of course overdoing anything is bad. But it sounds like you're basing this off of steroid users. People who reach their natty potential and have good cardio are the healthiest a human being can possibly be. There's literally no argument against this.
John Martinez
also excuse the weird wording of this post im extremely tired
Owen Cooper
weightlifting is better then being a soiboy of course, doesnt mean its the best and healthiest way to gain muscle
Chase Torres
I disagree; some people go to the gym to look toned and get girls, others have health problems and want to lose weight, and others just do it as a hobby.
For people trying to lose weight or remove their health problems a gym is a pretty good place to start off, you're surrounded by people and as you gradually go you learn to become more comfortable and less insecure and at the same time lose weight or gain muscle. If you do it by yourself you have less motivation the social pressure of being weaker around others is a strong motivator, but a gym is just one of many social areas where people can go to improve their health.
And as a hobby, it's just to maintain your health. It doesn't necessarily mean you have to get past your PR every week or month or to get girls, some people just work out so they don't get fat as their older, etc.
I think gyms are generally bad for people who are extremely insecure, who feel as if people are judging them all the time. They will generally resort to drugs when seeing someone lift heavier than them, or workout thinking girls will love gen after being buff but it's just digging yourself further.
Lucas Lewis
Yes I agree. Help me out with some questions please.
How did you get such a good jump? Always wanted to dunk. And where do you train sprints? Treadmill?
I'm planning on getting lean and quitting lifting this summer for lots of swimming and climbing. Do you think this is a good idea? I'm sick of lifting weights, it just seems so pointless.
Dominic Evans
check
Jace Phillips
It's perfectly fine. Your walking redpill proves you know what you're talking about.
Xavier Martinez
any other tips are welcome too
Ian Hernandez
>hill sprints Get a load of this dinosaur
Isaiah Sanchez
Why?
Matthew Richardson
Good jump comes from all the natural movements. Squats and sprinting help that the most. Training for sprinting ideally would be on some soft ground such as a grass field, could be sand on the beach even, but grass is always the best. I just go to a track near my house where there is a football field. Wearing no shoes is also very good, and always remember to walk at least 800m (two laps around the track) otherwise you will pull something since we are always meant to be walking around, constantly warmed up. Treadmill is shit since it doesnt go fast enough, and its bad for your legs.
>I'm planning on getting lean and quitting lifting this summer for lots of swimming and climbing. Do you think this is a good idea? I'm sick of lifting weights, it just seems so pointless.
Yes this is a very good idea
Juan Scott
Imagine writing an entire essay literally no one's going to read to cope lmao
Nolan Roberts
thanks, it means a lot
>its bad for your legs sorry last question, but could you tell my why this is? I've been using the treadmill a lot
Oliver Anderson
I dont know, maybe read the OP? Natural workouts > Gymcel workouts in every way possible besides meme lifts
Daniel Harris
youre retarded, not lifting.
Andrew Flores
You tend to run a bit different on a treadmill since youre running in one spot, and people unconsciously leap to cheat since youre "moving" at a longer distance if you stay above the treadmill in the air, which creates bad agility which is bad for your joints. You also dont use as much muscles on a treadmill which could also be really bad for your knees. And lastly youre running long distance which our bodies arent mean to do. We're meant to walk long distance instead.
Ian Williams
Post pics or this is all larping bullshit
Joshua Lee
Cope
Jeremiah Bailey
>Armchair evopsych That's gonna be a yikes from me dawg
Henry Scott
We don't live in a hunter gatherer society. Hunter gatherers couldn't afford the extra calories required to maintain large muscles. We can afford the extra calories, so why shouldn't we? Having extraordinary strength was considered godly, I'm sure if given the options hunter gatherers would want strength just like we do today.
William Rogers
>those stats post body or gtfo
Luis Hughes
I did all kinds of stuff. You described cardio activities, what made me feel bad was not lack of cardio - it was soft muscles and joints that never felt solid, and extreme difficulty maintaining my traps or the muscles between my shoulder blades. It was entirely postural stuff that made calisthenics suck, not lack of cardio.
Connor Morgan
>lifting for girls >muh functional strength Its like you don't want to make it.
>implying everyone in the gym is a 7000 calories strongmen testo abuser
I can tell you are a fat DYEL who lost his GF to a Chad
Luke Murphy
So true, OP. Been going to the gym myself for years. I am always injured, always fatigued, always have pulled muscles, etc. Yet because i don't take drugs i don't look that much better than a guy who builds houses for a living or uses heavy machinery drilling into the ground.
All the huge jacked guys, even the roided guys in the gym are literally always injured. Shoulder problems, pulled muscles, hand injuries, one guy can't deadlift anymore because his back is so fucked etc. That's why i don't dedicate much time to the gym anymore. You are never going to look like you lift natty and the guys on drugs who do look like they lift always have injuries and enough is never enough. They have some mental disorder where they need to keep getting bigger and bigger.
All the guys you see with hot women do some kind of manual labor work, have a "manly" looking body with some bodyfat and don't overeat and almost never hit the gym. That's enough for women.
Ever seen a tradesman or builder that was short of female options? Yet the incel and lookism sites are full of puffed up roiders who are long term single and going MGTOW
Shut it down, the goyim are figuring out the gym memberships and merchandise purchases lining our pockets are a scam, when they could just be doing cardio and body weight exercises for free.
Adam Price
>Ever seen a tradesman or builder that was short of female options?
Um, yes? They're usually the least desirable men, at least where I live. Where do you live?
William Reed
Why are there so many roided up guys going mgtow because they cant get women? why are there so many incels who took roids and are still on the incel sites then? Why didn't they get girlfriends by artificially inflating their muscles and counting calories on their phones everyday?
Meanwhile, dyel guys like this have been drowning in women since their teens. Bodybuilding not even once
man too bad, i need to sit in front of a computer for 6 hours a day for work
Jackson Turner
>girls don't like people who lift I'm not lifting for girls >people in the gym get injured so do people driving cars, should we get rid of cars? >you won't look like a caveman why does this matter >humans are not meant to regularly lift weights as heavy as people do in the gym then why does lifting weights correlate with longevity >The only real way to obtain muscle in modern life is through full body activities like sprinting let me guess you're the ultimate decide on what "real" ways are valid and which aren't? >No other animal on earth lifts weights as a primary means of muscle gain. because we're better than them, no other animal has agriculture so lets just get rid of that right, I mean since foxes don't farm plants and animals we shouldn't >Muscle mass is primarily determined by hormone levels and diet, combined with the animal or humans primary activity. wow incredible, someone should coin a term to represent this because this is very new cutting edge information, maybe something like getting muscles is 70% diet 30% lifting >The gym makes your face look worse. see attached picture, I can post more people who look better after hitting the gym >At the end of the day, the gym is not the answer. There is no end to the journey where everything is fixed and right. yes people who aren't brainlets know this, but you say the gym isn't the answer because what? you know people lift for reasons other than girls and to be a hunter gatherer right? I know this is probably bait but if not I honestly think you might have some kind of mental impairment
What the fuck is a "natural workout" you soccer mom
Aaron Long
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA Pls be true
Aaron Powell
>Be high metabolism skinny dude >Force self to eat, eat, eat, lift >No cardio, because can't burn precious calories >Shit sexual endurance
Advice?
Easton Rodriguez
Yes
Asher Gray
Don't forget swimming (God-tier activity)
Sebastian Davis
Do what I did here
Ethan Wright
THIS is what women want. This is their ideal body. Guys who have some muscle/mass to them with some bodyfat but that still looks like a normal manly man, most of which comes from the outdoor and manual labor work they do like the OP mentioned Guys who do a lot of walking, a lot of movement in their day to day lives so they tend to have good hormone profiles. Every woman you see is with a guy like this.
Their ideal celebrity body is Tom Hardy who also looks like this. Why isn't their ideal body on a male celebrity Dwayne Johnson or Dave Batista or Jeff Seid? There's a reason they pick Hardy above all others.
He's dyel to YOU but yet he's the one who has girlfriend after girlfriend and will settle down with a hot wife who will give him several kids while the guy in the gym still lugging around heavy weights and wearing belts and wraps to keep his bulging discs in place is on Youtube complaining that his long term girlfriend took off and how he might go mgtow now.
>All the guys you see with hot women do some kind of manual labor work, have a "manly" looking body with some bodyfat and don't overeat and almost never hit the gym. That's enough for women. OP here. This is what I have found as well.
Kayden Gray
Just do cardio and eat more. It's like 4-500 extra calories at most.
Luis Barnes
Ugh, all those activities burn serious calories. I already force myself to eat three squares, snacks, and two shakes a day. Too bad user, eat more!
