Lifting makes me irritable -- why?

Get into boxing, it will quickly fix your attitude and humble you. Way too many weightlifters thinking they can fight someone and getting all pissy just because they lift.

a double stack is a very small (25 g protein) sandwich. a small soda is hardly very many calories either, like the equivalent of a piece of bread lol. it's not a massive amount of calories at all, not even a full-sized meal

i obviously avoid the fries and other junk

by the way, for the record, if i don't eat anything before lifting it doesn't help.

Brings out the sources to justify drinking pure fucking sugar

>Yeah, digesting the burgers is gonna be tough for you to do while you're exercizing too

it doesn't matter what i eat, as long as i eat something, otherwise i feel like shit

>You shouldn't eat that much before the gym.
it's a small snack that serves to not ruin my exercise by being hungry

>Junk food makes me feel bad after I eat in general.
which part of it is junk?

>have you considered gluten allergy?
>Try not eating bread.
yeah, i have. i have tried to avoid bread but it's hard and it doesn't seem to make any difference

I dunno, what music do you listen to while you lift? I dead set only listen to hardcore/grindcore and let the anger in me and from the song fuel my lifts.

post body i bet you have 0 gains and this is why you are mad

what if i take a multivitamin with it?

why is sugar supposed to be seen as something inherently bad?

starch is inferior to sugar as a source of carbs

obviously soda is trash in the sense that it has no micronutrients. if i take a multivitamin though, what's the problem?

fuck off with the 'sugar is bad' meme, it's total nonsense and many nutritionists are starting to accept this after the decades of anti-sugar junk science brainwashing

post body

i do listen to thrash metal but even if i don't listen to music it doesn't help at all

yeah i'm pretty DYEL. but i feel like it's the actual exercise that i do that irritates me, not my body. otherwise i would be constantly irritated because i am DYEL 24/7

why? what will it prove? what relevance does it have?

give me a good, legitimate reason and i will

it will show to other anons what you typed is retarded because you haven't gone below 15% bf in your life

but what did i say that was wrong? even if i was morbidly obese, that doesn't mean what i say is wrong

i haven't been below 15% in years, that's true. however, what is also true is that i used to, just like you, think fructose was inherently bad. i was on the keto bandwagon

then i did the research and found out that there's no reason to believe that. i lost 20 lbs of pure fat while on a high sugar diet.

so, yeah, a person can be 20% body fat which is objectively better than 30%. to suggest that them losing 10% body fat is irrelevant because it's not enough for you is absurd.

please explain what i said that was wrong. seems like you're just salty, for no reason. you should rejoice in your enlightenment

sorry not gonna read your wall of cope

redd*t spacing get out

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=22351714
> Fructose does not seem to cause weight gain when it is substituted for other carbohydrates in diets providing similar calories. Free fructose at high doses that provided excess calories modestly increased body weight, an effect that may be due to the extra calories rather than the fructose.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28592611
>Strong evidence exists that substituting fructose for glucose or sucrose in food or beverages lowers peak postprandial blood glucose and insulin concentrations. Isoenergetic replacement does not result in a substantial increase in blood triglyceride concentrations.

m.advances.nutrition.org/content/4/2/246.full.pdf
>It is concluded that 1) fructose intake at normal population levels and patterns does not cause biochemical outcomes substantially different from other dietary sugars and 2) extreme experimental models that feature hyperdosing or significantly alter the usual dietary glucose-to-fructose ratio are not predictive of typical human outcomes or useful to public health policymakers. It is recommended that granting agencies and journal editors require more physiologically relevant experimental designs and clinically important outcomes for fructose research.

journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=8958289
>These prospective findings suggest that the intakes of starch and sucrose are not associated, but that those of fructose and glucose are inversely associated with diabetes risk.

fructose intake correlates with obesity & diabetes only a fool pretends otherwise. however, to assume a causal relationship here is illogical. fructose has anti-stress properties, and stress makes people gain weight. people who are pounding down sugar without remorse are chronically stressed.

it's called forming proper paragraphs you retard

If smack this booty alpha mode, turn 360 and walk away

you look me in the eyes and tell me poop comes outta there?

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Kids on Jow Forums are so stupid that they dont understand how paragraphs work.

The future is doomed.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
stop posting

Peragraphs first word not a space in

list the foods you eat. guaranteed, i can find a morbidly obese person that eats the same thing

i posted research supporting my position. you're just relying on fallacious "logic" that could be exposed as fraudulent by a 12 year old LOL

fuck off, manlet

>i'll drive home and have only negative thoughts, like get mad, want to quit my job, want to fucking fight someone.
>does anyone else get this feeling as a result of lifting heavy things? how do i enjoy lifting?
At times after lifting i have a lot of energy and mental clarity and i really think things trough, often i'll i have conversations in my mind where i say things to people that i¨ve been meaning to say that but haven't, often of an aggressive nature. I often also find my self thinking about the same stuff, the same issues, etc going over in my head and its related to anger. I think its actually useful and you should perhaps considering writing that stuff down and maybe you should your quit job. If you are depressed then the gym sessions may make you undepressed for a moment and so you are not numb anymore so the anger you have have over things you want to change or things you are not happy about comes up along with a lot of other emotions. Idk, that is how it is with me i think

Maybe dont eat fast food and drink soda?

>i've been lifting on/off for 7 years
>doesn't know you shouldn't eat like shit before going to the gym

it doesn't make a difference what i eat, i was only pointing that out because it means i'm not hungry or glycogen depleted.

i should have never mentioned that i eat beef + cheese + bread + soda before the gym

what is so "shit" about it?
back when i would take a protein shake + potatoes before the gym, there was no fucking difference. i always hated exercising: always. i just did it anyway

i just wish i could lift weights and not feel so angry, irritated after. if it was so simple as the food i ate, i would have solved that years ago

Post body

if you give me a good reason why i should, then i will

Lifting doesnt get rid of other problems for you. If you are not satisfied with your life and you have problems going on in your life, lifting wont help with that.
The good feeling you get after lifting is that feeling where you sit at home, watch anime or netflix and you dont feel bad about it. You can actually enjoy lazy time and thats a very good feeling.

Also if your body doesnt improve there is nothing to feel good about.

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no, it's literally a chemical reaction of the actual activity causing irritability.

i guess i was mistaken by people who claim to "enjoy" the actual activity of lifting, rather than a sense of accomplishment.

like, when i eat food, i enjoy it... the whole process. but when i am at the gym, i just can't say "this is fun, this is enjoyable" -- obviously i do it for results. if there were no results, i wouldn't do it. the activity itself is just a pain in the ass

Your probably just irritable because a short guy mogged you because 5'6-5'10 is the best height range for the domination of social situations.
This is because of the "subtle alpha" aesthetics the shorter man always gives off. The shorter man will always dominate through his "style", his "sleekness" and most usually through his intellectual power. Taller men can not pull this off, so they have to dominate in a much "in your face" and "raw" way.

You have to go back

i fucking hate women

Are you OP?
Well i've been lifting for 4 years now, and i still hate it. People say the more you do it, the more you love it. But this simply havent been true for me in those past 4 years. I do not enjoy lifting, at all. When i go home, im happy that im done with my workout.

Yes, I am. I guess that helps a bit. Maybe it's a cope for them?

My parents made me run cross country as a high schooler, and my friends would say "I love running, it makes me feel good while I do it"
It was always the opposite for me, it exhausted me, made me feel like shit.

I guess it's just mind over matter. People can convince themselves that something "feels good" even if it doesn't

I agree. Im convinced no one actually feels good when deadlifting 400lbs while bursting arteries in their forehead, or jogging around for 30 minutes straight while you can barely breath. I dont see how anyone can actually enjoy any of those moments.
Its also proven that lifting releases huge amounts of stress hormones like cortisol.

Do you feel like shit when you come home after lifting? I think it takes around 20-30 minutes for me to calm down and after that i feel pretty good about myself

i feel better after i get home and lay down and eat food and whatnot

>People can convince themselves that something "feels good" even if it doesn't
I've been experiencing an abnormality even more disappointing. I couldn't wait to become a father, but now that I'm in the thick of it, pretending to enjoy toddler shit is wearing me the hell down to the point I'd rather be at work. I feel overwhelming guilt for having such thoughts and can't wait for them to be more self-sufficient and interesting, frankly

That is a pretty normal thing to feel for men. Peterson talked about that.

scared faggot

I suppose, but the correct feeling is "omg, this is amazing" and so many people tell me to savor this time, because I will allegedly miss it...I dunno man, I could do without hearing kids songs or all the excitement I have to constantly fake

because we all know processed sugar is the biggest reason for obesity, and if you eat junk food with soda every day then despite lifting there's a very big change that you are fat
we want to see the body of someone defending sugar, because they way someones body looks and the way they treat it can tell a lot about how they are as a person

Lifting makes me horny

>because we all know
do we really know?

>processed sugar is the biggest reason for obesity
but it really isn't.

>and if you eat junk food with soda every day then despite lifting there's a very big change that you are fat
i admitted that i am 20% body fat. this is an improvement from 1 year ago, though, but you'd all think it's pathetic. and i don't pretend to suggest i am not. my goal is muscle gain right now anyway, although i haven't gotten any fatter in about a year

>we want to see the body of someone defending sugar, because they way someones body looks and the way they treat it can tell a lot about how they are as a person
but you don't know how fat i was before

i lost 20 lbs on a high sugar diet.

if someone is 500 lbs morbidly obese eating shit... than adopts a healthy, flawless, perfect diet and becomes only 250 lbs. you will say:
>wow, your new diet must be terrible
but that is obviously fallacious, is it not?

as i said, i used to think sugar is bad. i used to think keto was good. i changed my mind on that from researching.

also i don't eat soda "every day" and what makes a cheeseburger "junk food" -- besides the bread?

i posted various peer-reviewed studies which confirm these facts. if you're seriously going to judge truth based on how the individual who says these things looks, you're just straight dumb lol.

tell me what YOU eat, and i'll find a morbidly obese person who eats the same foods... thus invalidating your dietary beliefs

This. But why not both? Wrap up your gym session with HIIT boxing. Very relaxing and it's always put me in a good mood after I finish

nice lordosis

>because we all know processed sugar is the biggest reason for obesity

False. When you eat carbs and fat, you store the fat. Americans always ate sugar, but it's the polyunsaturated fats that have been making everyone fat.

And we KNOW this is true. Why? Humans can't synthesize PUFA (hence why they are called "essential fatty acids") but the body fat of obese people is extraordinarily high in PUFA.

There is indeed, no question, a correlation between sugar consumption and obesity. But that is because (1) it is perceived as unhealthy, so health-conscious people will avoid it, and (2) sugar consumption reduces stress, and obese people are chronically stressed.

>sucrose ingestion normalizes feeding, energy balance and central corticotropin releasing factor expression in adrenalectomized (ADX) rats. Since this discovery, a diverse set of literature that supports this view of glucocorticoid feedback has been found. Taken together, recent findings of the well-known importance of glucocorticoids to feeding and energy balance, and the modulatory actions of carbohydrate ingestion on both basal and stress-induced activity in the HPA axis, strongly suggest that many metabolic (e.g. obesity) and psychological (e.g. depression) pathologies, which often present together and have been associated with stress and HPA dysregulation, might, in part, be understood in light of our new view of glucocorticoid feedback.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11578533

Monkeys in the wild, when their diet is mainly fruit, have low cortisol is low; It rises when their dietary sugar is low. Sucrose consumption lowers ACTH, the main pituitary stress hormone, and stress promotes increased sugar and fat consumptiom. If animals' adrenal glands are removed, so that they lack the adrenal steroids, they choose to consume more sucrose. Stress seems to be perceived as a need for sugar. In the absence of sucrose, satisfying this need with starch/fat is more likely to lead to obesity.

>also i don't eat soda "every day"
no, but 'before going to the gym i go to wendy's and get a double-stack and soda'
>what makes a cheeseburger "junk food" -besides the bread?
all the shit they mix into the meat and sauces in fast food places, sugar being prominent especially in sauces, plus the cheese is like 50% rubber and a bunch of non-cheese products
>tell me what YOU eat, and i'll find a morbidly obese person who eats the same foods...
well, obviously
that doesnt stop the facts that sugar is calorie dense AND nutritionally shit
and even if it can improve a workout under the correct circumstances, that doesnt mean you will be healthy
also, literally ever obese person who isnt a strongman or sumo or whatever gets fat from sugar, alcohol and processed shit; and even most strongmen and sumos do eat their fair share of shitty food

>no, but 'before going to the gym i go to wendy's and get a double-stack and soda'
yeah every other day.

i do that because being hungry at the gym is bad

>all the shit they mix into the meat and sauces in fast food places, sugar being prominent especially in sauces, plus the cheese is like 50% rubber and a bunch of non-cheese products

i only get: beef + cheese + bread. the bread is unhealthy, yeah

there is no sauce on my burger

sugar is not inherently bad, nor is it on my burger.

their cheese isn't any 'rubber' it's entirely comprised of dairy products, just like any other processed cheese

>well, obviously
so you admit it's meaingless? ok

>that doesnt stop the facts that sugar is calorie dense AND nutritionally shit
sugar is obviously 'calorie dense' but so what? it's immediately before a workout, which is a time when i burn calories

sugar is not 'nutritionally shit' it has no micronutrients, indeed, but i get all of my vitamins/nutrients from other things. it is in fact a very good source of calories and replenishes my glycogen. nothing wrong with it

>and even if it can improve a workout under the correct circumstances, that doesnt mean you will be healthy
please explain exactly how drinking a small soda (like 150 calories max) before a workout will somehow make me unhealthy? please be specific

>also, literally ever obese person who isnt a strongman or sumo or whatever gets fat from sugar, alcohol and processed shit; and even most strongmen and sumos do eat their fair share of shitty food
you make no sense. when a person consumes sugar and fat at the same time, the fat stores.

i posted a study here: showing that fructose does not cause weight gain

alcohol, which has calories which can't be stored, causes you to store more calories

there are lean people who consume sugar, and fat people who avoid it. it's a non sequitur

please, explain exactly how sugar (sucrose, glucose + fructose) is inherently "bad"

This

It's the trash food that's making you feel like shit. Eat garbage, become garbage.

it's the bubble butts you see at the gym

why would it only make me feel irritable after a workout though? i feel great otherwise

besides, i pointed out that it doesn't matter what i eat at the gym at all. in fact, like 3x in a row, they put mustard on my burger... so i obviously didn't eat it (i hate mustard)

the result? no fucking difference.

whatever, it's clear you people who come in to say these things just eat a very "clean" diet and only post to feel superior about it LOL.

there's no biochemical reason why those specific foods, if eaten before the gym, would cause that specific issue. not to mention it persists regardless of what foods i choose to eat...

>besides, i pointed out that it doesn't matter what i eat at the gym at all. in fact, like 3x in a row, they put mustard on my burger... so i obviously didn't eat it (i hate mustard)
...what?
i think all that shitty food is frying your brain
>whatever, it's clear you people who come in to say these things just eat a very "clean" diet and only post to feel superior about it LOL.
you sound like a tumblr fattie

so, your theory is:

>if i didn't ever eat fast food, but instead ate Jow Forums approved foods before the gym, this irritability that happens solely due to lifting would go away

ok. but i've done that, and it makes no difference. so that theory is clearly wrong

it's just goofy.

on top of that, i have shown that sugar consumption reduces stress levels. see: LOADS of studies agree with this. i think, if anything, the sugar HELPS

>The results of this experiment tend to support our model of chronic effects of stress and GCs, showing a stressor-induced preference for comfort food, and a comfort-food reduction in activity of the HPA axis.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15142987

>Results suggest that feeding a high-sucrose diet does not induce obesity in lean rats or enhance weight gain in obese rats, if caloric intake is appropriate. The diet does elevate plasma triglyerides in lean and obese rats, but it may have the potential to improve stress tolerance.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12828189

>We conclude that because sucrose ingestion, like glucocorticoid replacement, normalizes energetic and neuromodulatory effects of ADX, many of the actions of the steroids on the central nervous system under basal conditions may be indirect and mediated by signals that result from the metabolic effects of adrenal steroids.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11415998

>Sucrose intake has been shown to suppress increased adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH) levels in adrenalectomized rats, suggesting that increased cerebral energy supply can compensate for the loss of glucocorticoid feedback inhibition of the hypothalamo-pituitary-adrenal axis.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19709691

the whole "sugar is bad" theory has been long debunked. if you crave sugar, you should consume it. obviously fruits are superior sources. empty calories are only bad if you don't get enough micronutrients

>if you crave sugar, you should consume it.

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>if you're thirsty, you shouldn't drink water. you should drink an exactly calculated quantity of water every day, no matter what your body tells you

lol what the fuck is your problem? how brainwashed are you?

if i consume a bit of sugar, the craving goes away. if it doesn't, you should try to figure out what your malfunction is.

have you ever put too much salt on your food? it tastes wrong right? but haven't you eaten something that isn't salty enough?

your body is telling you how much salt you need

pay attention to what you're craving, and eat more "instinctually"

if you actively avoid all sources of fructose, despite craving it, you're just dumb. simple as that. as brainwashed as a vegan LOL

>if you crave heroin, you should take it
>Have you ever taken too much heroin?You overdose right? Your body is telling you how much heroin you need

you're experiencing a boost in test, you fucking basedboy

you sound like an addict

>conflating a macronutrient, which your dopamine receptors are literally designed to reinforce consumption of, with a drug

holy fuck you're retarded

you are addicted to the following things, and you need to STOP TAKING THEM:

> water
> oxygen
> protein
> calories
> sleep

stop these addictions, please. don't listen to your cravings, because they're designed to weaken and destroy you. you are an addict, and the only way to cure yourself is to quit these things

>irritability is associated with high test
>t. Goyboy
Fuck off.
>Inb4 muh roid rage
>what is estrogen flair up

Indeed, I am an addict. I'm addicted to various nutrients, as well as water, oxygen, sleep, etc. There's nothing wrong with that!

"Addiction" carries too much of pejorative connotation to be a useful qualifier (it is a scientifically sounding swear word, a damnation shriek let out by neo-puritians who modernized the Bible thumping into DSM-IV thumping).

Otherwise you would have to label other dopamine boosters, such as falling in love, having a newborn baby, making scientific discoveries, creating or enjoying beatiful visual art, writing or listening beautiful music, reading great poetry, taking walks to watch sunsets on a sea shore or a lake, writing elegant, clever computer programs... or just having sex, as being "addictive" hence "bad for you." In fact these dependencies on joys of life in all of their varieties are all good for you.

The useful judgment about substances or actions is by the fruits they bring forth not via simple minded neo-puritan slogans "if it feels good, it is bad" or some such.

come back when you've fixed all of these addictions: brainlet

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>testosterone makes people aggressive

Wow I can't believe it

he's not aggressive because of high test
he's pissy because of low test

That's the testosterone, my man. Also, this

trade the double stack for a spicy chicken sandwich, crispy or grilled doesn't matter, and cut out the soda completely, or drink coke zero (zero > diet)
if you want beef get a better quality burger when you leave, or cook a steak at home

Eat a healthy meal and wait at least 2-3 hours before working out.

youtube.com/watch?v=qG2HwH1JkAI

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spicy chicken sandwiches are deep-fried in cancer oils

and i need the carbs to fill my glycogen stores. you burn carbs, not fats when you lift

and honestly it's not the food choices, i've been lifting for 8 years on and off and let me tell you: i didn't eat double stack + soda before every work out. in fact, i used to thing sugar was bad so i avoided it completely

>obviously fruits are superior sources
Excessive consumption of fructose is unhealthy for your body. If you really crave sugar, just eat normal white sugar. Also fun fact: brown sugar isn't more healthy, it's just a slightly different taste.

I'm having the following problem: I have been athletic pretty much all my life (boxing) and since I dropped boxing I have been doing lots of clesthenics and cardio to stay in shape which has been working very well. The problem is I have to work out every day. As soon as I leave out one day, I feel like my body shuts down and I have a way harder time getting back into training the following day. Is that normal?

>Excessive consumption of fructose is unhealthy for your body
I agree entirely.
Excessive protein, fat, carbs, water, oxygen... can be very bad. Sugar is no exception

>If you really crave sugar, just eat normal white sugar.
sucrose is a disaccharide containing fructose + glucose

there is actually no pure fructose sources in food, you have to buy pure fructose powder. some people do this though, because of the benefits of fructose over glucose.

personally, i think they should both be eaten together, they compliment each other. in fact, fructose inhibits the overstimulation of insulin by glucose.

so this means that eating ordinary sugar, sucrose (a disaccharide, consisting of glucose and fructose), in place of starch, will reduce the tendency to store fat.

eating so-called "complex carbohydrates" rather than sugars, is a reasonable way to promote obesity.

eating starch, by increasing insulin and lowering the blood sugar, stimulates the appetite, causing a person to eat more, so the effect on fat production becomes much larger than when equal amounts of sugar and starch are eaten

see some studies: i agree that sucrose is superior to HFCS, but i wonder how much better it really is

I agree with you about sugar not being unhealthy and not being the reason for becoming fat but sugar is still shit if you're trying to get lean. It's just a waste of calories, you'll have a hard time hitting your protein and fat needs.

I used to hate lifting too. Would always feel like crap and extremely sore the next day. But I corrected my diet and added a shit ton of protein and I was able to recover a lot faster. So it's probably most likely your recovery process being crap

are you anti-carb?

because i can't see any reason to think starch is better than sucrose

i'm not as worried about becoming lean as i am about gaining muscle. i don't gain any fat if i lift weights. i am a hard gainer though, i don't put on muscle very easily. i'd rather get 200 calories too many than 200 too few. just as i'd rather get 5lb muscle + 2lb fat, than lose 10lb fat and 2lb of muscle.

sugar isn't really that calorie dense. 1 can of coke is 150 calories, which is about the same as a small soda from wendy's. this is equivalent to 2 slices of bread. that's not very much at all.

say i need 2500 calories per day. 150 calories is less than 1/16th of that.

it's basically nothing

i don't feel bad at all the next day, i'm never sore. i just get very irritated while lifting, and while driving home, and within a couple hours i feel fine. it's totally related to the actual activity. i never get DOMS either.

How much preworkout are you taking? If you're not used to it a full scoop can be too much. I don't even use pwo anymore.

No I'm not anti carb either, quite the opposite. But I would rather eat pasta than let's say sweets.

maybe get blood checked. I had hypothyroidism (skinny all my life btw) and that shit made me feel like crap all the time. Maybe its hormone related. I'd go to a doctor if you have insurance you might dig up something you weren't expecting

Every time i eat starch, protein, anything i crave sugary things. Just a tiny bit will do. It does help with insulin. I posted a study showing fructose improves glycemic response to glucose. Any time you find fructose in nature, it's paired with fructose. For me, starch tastes bad without fat whereas sugar tastes fine on its own. So starch is more fattening for me. My favorite foods are cheesy bread and mac n cheese. I'm trying to eat low starch it's really just a treat i justify as a pre- and post-workout meal

I take a reasonable amount of caffeine (200mg max) and i recently started using beta alanine. But this doesn't cause it. The beta alanine i started taking because i used to feel tired at the gym, always yawning after a couple sets. This seemed to fix it

Yeah i might do this. I think it is cortisol/adrenaline related. I also get insomnia on days i lift. Should have mentioned that in the OP. (And its not from caffeine)

If it works for you then good. For me, pasta solves the problem. But if you need sweets you should give Haribo a try instead of Soda.

I normally consume orange juice gelatin for sugar. Also, potatoes for starch (way more micros than pasta)

Gelatin is pure collagen protein btw. Check out:

valtsus.blogspot.com/2013/12/glycine.html

>lifting
>just to not be weak and pathetic

hum...

the truth is there

Why do I feel more angry, dominant and assertive ever since I've started lifting? I was the complete opposite before I started.

but...but thats not the real trake.

I know that's why Haribo is actually nice. People giving me looks when I tell them that but you can't convince those brainwashed morons anyway.

>it's totally related to the actual activity.
no, you retard
it's diet and/or hormone related
or just something messed up with your brain

>My favorite foods are cheesy bread and mac n cheese.