At what weight should you start wearing a belt

fpbp. seriously OP don't use a belt or straps. you do not need them

>Nice opinion piece with no studies or citations retard.

Yeah because studies done on bodybuilders and powerlifters is the same as this pleb walking into a gym and trying to squat 100kg with a belt

waste of time

>Might inhibit motor learning in the abdominal muscles.
Practice flexing your abs dummy
>Lower Back might not get as strong
Train your lower back dummy

Then get a belt and use it to brace your trained lower back and abs. Wow dang that wasn't difficult

Obviously you didn't read anything faggot lol. Go ahead keep believing those false cons listed in your shit article and I'll keep getting stronger than you'll ever be

Haha okay retard have fun with your belt, lifting 50kg looking like ronnie coleman on crack boii

I squat 250kg lol

>didnt even read it

>To my knowledge, there haven’t been any studies conducted comparing one group of people training with a belt to another training without a belt for a prolonged period of time.

>Starting with deadlifts, one study utilizing experienced lifters

seems like 'experienced lifters' implies that they're not just guys going to the gym lifting some weights and throwing them back to avoid having a stroke

>I squat 250kg lol

thats cute

still don't think a belt can provide what controlling your abs without one can't provide

2019 and mongoloids STILL don't know how a fucking belt works. It doesn't take anything away, it literally just gives you something to flex your abs into, leading to MORE CORE ACTIVATION, AND THUS, LETTING YOU MAINTAIN GOOD FORM FOR HIGHER WEIGHTS

>didn't read my original post and makes strawman arguments
>ignores the studies
>skims the piece and thinks he's well informed
>still has shit lifts and thinks people who lift heavy do no extra abdominal work
You wreak of 1st year lifter with shit lifts.

>>didn't read my original post and makes strawman arguments
>>ignores the studies
>>skims the piece and thinks he's well informed

I read it bro, it's got a lot of swing, uses mostly experienced lifters and suggests unless going for heavier weights is really irrelevant, nice try thooo

>You wreak of 1st year lifter with shit lifts.
my man pussy weeps

>read an article that takes ~15 minutes to read in 5 minutes
Why would people do that? Go in the internet and tell lies.

>Why would people do that? Go in the internet and tell lies.

As if school didn't teach you to skim read for important information..

like
>So, taken as a whole, wearing a belt may increase rectus abdominis activation (although, to be honest, I’m not going to put a ton of faith in a single study on untrained lifters performing an isometric lift) and probably doesn’t affect external oblique activation

tard

I wear it at 80% max.. im getting old and my body already hurts, no need to accelerate it,

Cock friend the belt is a pod that what should do is help you tighten belly mass, honestly that cock is not necessary if not until the thing that puts hairy hair, when you feel that the weight is an outrage, there you put the belt and the pod helps you but nothing else should throw balls when the pod really is a beta because if not what you're cracking patience and sticking a bullet in the foot to yourself.

>you can understand a scientific article and actually form arguments about it by skimming it and not actually understanding the conjecture or forming any real opinions
Peak dunning krueger lmao

man you're autistic lmao 'key points'
you're trying to make it sound like it's hard to understand, it's not
>wearing a belt does help proven in people like football players
>doesn't have an affect or sways both negatively and positively for people who are inexperienced
whew what a lot to comprehend
colour me pooped

You didn't even read my initial post and haven't posted anything proving anything I've said wrong. Keep trying though

because my point still stands
unless he's lifting heavy as fuck theres no point in using one
and your link proved that

good one

>Key Points
>1) Wearing a belt improves your performance in the gym

>2) These performance increases likely mean increased size and strength in the long run

>3) There are still instances that it’s better to train beltless, but you should probably use a belt for the bulk of your training

>there's no point in using one

Clearly you're not very good at skimming

I do push press and OHP with a belt. I have a herniated disc in my L5. I'm come down hard and ended up with incredible back pain. Wearing the belt for this makes me feel more comfortable.

If I'm pushing a deadlift PR I'll put the belt on.

>Clearly you're not very good at skimming

>The first and most obvious limitation is that there haven’t been any long-term studies done (to the best of my knowledge) comparing adaptations of training with a belt versus training without one. Although EMG data is useful, when talking about long-term training outcomes, it can only be used to discuss what will probably happen, but you should not hold any conclusions you reach with much temerity.

Clearly you're not very good at taking in formation when you're trying your little heart out

Do you workout to be stronger in your day to day life?
Then you should never wear a belt.

Do you workout to show other people you can lift heavy stuff? Then whenever you can't lift something heavy and you don't really care about form or long term health so much as getting whatever random number of pounds/kilos you want to move off of the ground.

>cherry picking points from an article largely in support of using belts to support your shit argument and literally ignoring the KEY POINTS and the other 70% of the article that's all in favor of using belts
Were you dropped on your head as a child?

wearing a belt and say dead lifting 275 means you're probably stronger than the guy deadlifing 250 belt less. belts also allow you get more gains.

there is honestly no good reason not to wear a belt, you can safely ignore all of the "so hardcore" lunkheads itt

I wear one because I slipped a disc years ago and I'm crippled with low back pain if I don't.

hmm maybe i should look into getting one. i have some slipped discs myself and i've been easing back into the squattin and the next day i always feel minor disc pain

>Were you dropped on your head as a child?
>When the whole article is a mix of pros and cons for the belt, overall there is positives but the final outcome is that using one is optional and in inexperienced weight lifters can lower parts of your abs in terms of strength and conditioning but you think there's something concrete in there proving your point
>the positive effects are mostly if not all shown in professional or experienced lifters
>inexperienced or shit tier plebs have no/negative or some positive effects from it

lel, you're seriously retarded

stop fighting guys this is a board of love

sheeeeeeit

>wearing a belt and say dead lifting 275 means you're probably stronger than the guy deadlifing 250 belt less. belts also allow you get more gains.

No, you really aren't.
If you need the belt to get that 275 and you can't even get that 250 the other guy is getting unless you're wearing a belt...then no
You aren't strong.

You're able to move a larger amount of weight by using a belt and leverages.
If you can't lift it wihthout stuff like belts straps knee wraps and the like then you can't lift it.

Literally every single study done on bar speed shows an increase bar speed when using a belt or increased number if reps with a given load. Increase bar speed or increased number of reps means improved performance. Improved performance means more gains. I fail to see how this makes belts bad or even a wash. Maybe if you ignore the whole bit on performance that's the first section in the article belts are a wash, but only if you're a retard, which you seem very much to be.

>Improved performance means more gains. I fail to see how this makes belts bad or even a wash.

Because when you lift with a belt and then lift shit without a belt you increase your risk of injury you fucking turd

>So, wearing a belt probably increases rectus abdominis activation slightly and decreases external oblique activation slightly, relative to deadlifting beltless.

>They tend to find no effect or small benefit, although some suggest that the main benefit is decreased risk of re-injury in people who had been previously injured, with no benefit to people who had never had a back injury, or even an increased injury risk when they stopped using a belt.

>Dr. Stuart McGill, a (or the) foremost expert on spinal biomechanics, recommends against the use of a belt in most cases, even for lifters.

>Another limitation is that people tend to use different bracing patterns when lifting with a belt versus lifting beltless.

again, unless you're a professional or trying to do retarded lifts for gymbros to high five you over theres no reason to do it, and what seems like big red flags like increased risk of injury from not using one which is pretty common unless you wear one in work? Lift some heavy shit without your belt, blow your ass out, fuck your spine, nice
for an extra 5-10% weight? seems like a fucking joke

Highly suggest it.
Might not help as much depending on where. I slipped L3, third vertebrae from the bottom, so the belt is directly supporting my injury.

>3) There are still instances that it’s better to train beltless, but you should probably use a belt for the bulk of your training

Oh gee, I wonder what ever will you do to offset using a belt for the majority of your lifting? Maybe training beltless sometimes? Maybe doing additional abdominal and erector work? Oh no, why would you ever try hard in the gym? Unless you have some draconian reason to not use one or think not lifting one makes you cool(it doesn't unless you lift as much as Clarence) then you should probably own and know how to use a belt.

>Oh gee, I wonder what ever will you do to offset using a belt for the majority of your lifting? Maybe training beltless sometimes? Maybe doing additional abdominal and erector work? Oh no, why would you ever try hard in the gym? Unless you have some draconian reason to not use one or think not lifting one makes you cool(it doesn't unless you lift as much as Clarence) then you should probably own and know how to use a belt.

Yeah lift an extra 10 - 15lbs and have to add additional training in to make sure you don't ruin your spine and and actually learn how to lift shit in real situations, again, no point unless you're a professional or just trying to lift heavy so some hulk dudes will touch your bumhole

i have bulging disc on l2/l3, l4/l5 and l5/s1

i only had minor issues until i paid a visit to a chiro. one session with a chiro and i was put of commission big time. whatever you do don't ever visit a chiro

You perform some lifts beltless and you'll have no problems lifting beltless. I get a whole lot more than 10-15lbs out of a belt, closer to 50 on my squat and 30 on my deadlift. You do lifts beltless and you'll have no problem lifting beltless even if you do most of your lifting with a belt.

jesus christ shut the fuck up already you fucking 85 IQ mongoloid. I'd bet my fucking car you're some twink DYEL faggot. You're fucking wrong. Belts INCREASE core activation

>You perform some lifts beltless and you'll have no problems lifting beltless. I get a whole lot more than 10-15lbs out of a belt, closer to 50 on my squat and 30 on my deadlift. You do lifts beltless and you'll have no problem lifting beltless even if you do most of your lifting with a belt.

Sure if you want to put the extra effort into training with a belt and learning to push into it and brace it properly then training some days learning to breath in and fat belly a lift
or you can just fat belly a lift and do it without the belt and get more sessions in doing it beltless
I get why people would use it for the weight increase but i don't think the weight increase is as important as the risk of damaging your spine outside of using it

do you boo no ones stopping you

you had a shitty chiro, I had one too.
but later I tried a different one and he has helped me so much, my hands are no longer numb all the time.

Belts increase abdominal activation, that's how they work tardo.

Oh, so you can lift that weight you can lift with the belt without it?

You just need to "activat your core" more correct?
Yes?
No?

Funny, chiropractor saved me.
I was so broken that I couldn't hinge more than, like, ten degrees forward. I couldn't tie my own shoe. To drink from a water fountain, I would stand up straight and fall forward in a plank. I was in Airborne training at the time, and when I got out of my bunk every morning I would do it by grabbing the support bar of the bunk above me and pulling myself into a standing position 'cause my trunk couldn't lift itself up.
Fucking hell, I don't know why I forced myself through. If I'd known what Fort Bragg was going to be like, I would have just gone to sick call and washed myself out. Getting my wings was a mistake.

i'm tempted to go to another one but i think i'll steer clear. chiros are full of shit.

It takes like 2-3 weeks worth of sessions to be able to use a belt properly. If you plan on lifting long term, which I certainly hope you do, that's a drop in the bucket. I've been using one now for 3 years, in that time I've gone from a 410 to a 550 squat, and 485 to a 620 deadlift and I haven't had a single back injury in that time related to belt usage. Learn how to use one, use it well, use it often, but keep doing beltless work and you'll be fine.

yeah i mean i had some pretty significant bone pain in the lumbar region but i was totally functional otherwise. then when i went to visit a chiro i could barely walk the next and i have trouble putting my pants on.

idk about chiros they seem very hit or miss and i'm scared shitless about letting a chiro anywhere near me again, they definitely made my situation 10x worse.

Fair. There are a lot of quality chiropractors around Ft Bragg. Home of the airborne, so home of back problems.

it felt great right after he did his adjustments but the next day was literal hell.

yeah dont go to the ones that say $25 walk in adjustment. Chiro now is bullshit. The ones I have been to that were good took xrays before even touching me, afterward even gave me exercises to help even out and balance me.

the chiro i went to took xrays too. i don't think that means much. the field as a whole is very iffy.

A belt doesn't take out muscular involvement. Rather, it gives your core something to brace against causing its muscles to tense naturally.

I start around a two plate squat and a three plate deadlift but you can start anytime really.

i used a belt to do OHP 42x4 and DL 105x8 today

fuck the haters it felt fucking great

If you can't do it without the belt then you can't do it.

"Wrong"

So why wear the belt if you can lift said weight without it?
For decoration?
Are you one of those fucking nerds who wear a weight belt and lifting gloves and a full lifting suit in the gym to lift lmao .75 plate?

How does it feel to be fucking retarded?

Yea so when you need to actually lift something heavy outside the gym unexpectedly. The guy who wears a belt regularly will be able to lift more than the guy who doesn’t right?

Yes, he'll overall have stronger muscles from having an increased performance in the gym.

No I'm

At what weights should I start using a belt for squats/dl?

Usually I keep it for my heaviest sets so 90% at 3 reps and such.

Either you have babied yourself lifting with a belt since day 1, or you are a genuine retarded who doesn't even lift.

I weigh 180lbs and the difference between my belted conv deadlift (505) and my raw conv (475) is over 25lbs. That 25-30lb difference is the same for all my lifts and while anecdotal, is the same for all my gym bros lifts as well. A belt LITERALLY holds you together so that you can move weight that would blow out your (undertrained) core otherwise.

>and if you baby yourself and always train with a belt in order to keep consistent numbers the gap between your belted and raw will keep growing

But I don't know why I bothered typing all this. If you don't think a belt helps out significantly you are DYEL anyway, and you twink faggots never learn

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When you reach a point where linear progression stops and you have to really work at your PR's is a good point.

If I feel my form is a little shaky some days I'll throw a belt on because it really helps plug up the leaks but you don't want it to be something you depend on all the time.

It's a crutch and there for safety reasons, don't become dependent on using it every time you squat.

>safety reasons,
Belts don't make you one wit safer.
They just let you lift heavier weight.
That's all.

do compound movements like bent over row really indirectly make your waist thicker? rich piana said this

Whenever you want.

Should I be using a belt when I deadlift 220 lbs.?

If you want.

i only use it for deadlifts, only on sets at a little over doubly body weight; typically for weights where 3-4 reps is the absolute max i can do