I'm a weight machine fag. Just yesterday I summoned the courage to try squats for the first time and just accept any advice or judgement from strangers should I happen to be doing something wrong or stupid. After a couple youtube vids and ~30 reps I think I managed to go from disaster to sloppy, which I'm proud of
Now my ass is tender and my legs feel like they'll give out when walking down steps. Should I abandon weight machines completely and just try to do free weights all the time? Do you do a mix of machine and free weight? I can't remember when my muscles were blasted this badly (but it may just be that I have never done squats). I do dumbbell exercises for shoulders arms and back but idk if that's enough
Are they inefficient or don't hit certain muscles or what
Jordan Butler
Read the book you fucking retard. Rippetoe talks about why machines suck at the very beginning of the book my god you're a stupid piece of shit starting a thread with a picture of a book and not even reading the book why don't you unironically neck yourself you absolute waste of oxygen.
Jacob Smith
I thought it was a meme that's why I put it there. Make up your collective mind retards
Jayden Ross
Read the book and think for yourself dipshit.
Joshua Lee
The only machines you really need are for legs. The rest should BB, DB, and cables
Chase Price
You only need free weights to build strength and muscle. Read about Stronglifts 5x5
Brody Richardson
The other dude might be unnecessarily aggressive but he's right, machines are a meme. >Should I abandon weight machines completely and just try to do free weights all the time? Absolutely. You probably got DOMS only because you're not used to squatting, so you'll be fine after you get used to it.
Anthony Kelly
>Read the book Fuck off rippletits Tell me or don't I'm not reading your shitty book
But seriously, do barbell movements. Do what you did, watch some youtube about form. Bench, squat, and dead lift. You can really tear your back up doing dead lifts and squats wrong.
Dumbbell movements outside of barbell ones. Youtube had plenty of videos on form of these too. You can screw up your shoulders really easy doing movements wrong. Watch a decent number of videos for each exercise you want to do.
Unfortunately I can't give you advice on routines.
Unironically, read the sticky.
If you stop using machines, and start using free weights, after enough time (not too long), you'll know what machines you need and dont need. I gaurentee you ever guy in here has 1 or 2 machines they use because they can't hit this or that right, or whatever the reason. Or they just like it.
James Jackson
You don't even need to read his book retard. You can google "Free weights vs machines" and figure this out for yourself.
Robert Perry
I really just want someone to hold me and tell me machines are ok and that I'm a good boy and that you'll still love me no matter how I workout mommy
Grayson Myers
Ok about bench... I'm pretty fucking autistic so I have no friends. What do I do when I don't have a spot
And fuck you retards who say lol you don't need a spot I'm not a seasoned weightlifter
Jose Nguyen
Go freeweights full time. Don't be afraid of the bar. I made that mistake and I lost a shitload of gains fucking around trying to perfect form with babyweights. Injury isn't as common as Jow Forums will tell you; you're far FAR more likely to get injured playing football or soccer. Just lift, even if you think you have bad form. Film your lifts and upload them here or if you have some spare NEETBUX, hire a coach (NOT a personal trainer, a powerlifting coach) for a few weeks to help you. They only cost about $14 US a week and their advice is well worth it if you ask lots of questions.
Henry Garcia
is it normal for hamstrings to take 2 weeks to repair? i worked them out for the first time and they still feel sore in a good way this long after.. also should i stretch or avoid stretching them while they repair?
Jaxon Sanders
My fear doesn't come from getting injured, I have been and still kind of am afraid of looking like a complete retard. I guess yesterday I just figured I have to start somewhere. Perhaps if I look like a fool now, a month later I'll be shoulder pressing the faggots who snickered at me squatting like a bitch
Lucas Miller
Yes If you go too hard on an untrained body you can get DOMS for more than a week. Stops happening once you've been at it for a few weeks.
Completely optional, but if you want temporary relief you can foam roll the area that's bothering you. Just get one of those but foam tube things they probably have at your gym and roll your body over it a few times Hurts like hell, but it's a good pain, and it really loosens up the muscle, at least for a while
Lincoln Harris
If it helps, most people don't give a shit about what you're doing as long as you're not making a scene. Most people go out of their way to not look at others since it can come off as weird if you're caught looking at someone
William Russell
So if I deliberately make eye contact with people in the mirrors will that be seen as an alpha move
Joshua Allen
I can't help you with this I'm home gym power cage for this reason. Most people will you >stop being autistic >quit being a bitch If you dont mind looking autistic, start low. Like 95. Then slowly work up. Trust me user, if your to shy and embarrassed to ask for a spot, you'll never go back to the gym if someone has to save you from a lift.
Don't ask a woman for a spot.
So start low, and if you feel like pushing it one day, just ask someone >hey im pretty new, you think you can give me a spot on this? Im not sure how this is going to go
I think what i would do is find someone benching, ask them how many sets they have left after you see them do 3 or 4, ad ask them >when your done do you think you can give me a spot? I dont know man, im super uncomfortable talking to strangers. Could you bench in the equipment you squatted in? Does your gym have power racks? Theres videos on to set the safeties on that kind of stuff as long as you arch your back correctly, and when you fail the bars will catch the barbell when you un-ach your back.
Unfortantely theres no videos on how to not be a social sped. Maybe you can ask a guy who looks like hes pushing the same amount of weight as you if you can work in. Dont ask the guy whose benching 315, you dont wanna make him have to strip all the weight off so you can bench 95 lbs. But if you press 135 and hes doing 185, thats only a 1 plate adjustment, and its not even a swap out, just a removal.
Who knows, you might make yourself a gym bro.
Remember this user, all this guys in the bowflex, total gym, whatever home meme machine they're selling got the way they are from free weights, not from the gypsy muscle magic theyre selling.
And seriously, read the sticky, theres a specific amount of information in there thats really good that you might not know if you havent read it. And its a fun read, it's not technical and its written like the guy is talking to you, not like a masters thesis.
Noah Martin
Thanks mang this is helpful. I'll check out the sticky. Idk how you faggots pick up on board newbies so quick
Isaiah Reyes
>Injury isn't as common as Jow Forums will tell you; you're far FAR more likely to get injured playing football or soccer. This is fair, but if you fuck up a deadlift or squat enough and you will know pain. But he's right, don't be afraid of it, be knowledgable and educated enough that you have confidence in your lifts. Youre going to hurt yourself but youll eventually learn the difference between "This hurts" and "I think this injuring me." You'll leaen the difference between, "this makes me tight," and "this doubles me over." I had hard time with squats and deadlifts; alan thralls form videos really helped me. But if you watch enougg different peoples videos, everyone covers it a bit different. Eventually youll build a check list in your head of what to do for those lifts, and they'll feel right when you do them. Every time i try a new lift i ALWAYS watch a couple videos about them because when i firsr started lifting i thought form was "how to get the most out of an exercise" and didnt realize it was "how to stay out of a wheelchair."
>I have been and still kind of am afraid of looking like a complete retard. I guess yesterday I just figured I have to start somewhere. This was the right step to take and mentality to have
>If it helps, most people don't give a shit about what you're doing as long as you're not making a scene. Like I said I'm homegym, but everyone does say this, a lot
Brandon Price
It literally doesn't matter. Do whatever you want. Going to the gym is about having fun.
Evan Allen
>Idk how you faggots pick up on board newbies so quick I don't 100% know what you mean by this. You mean how to tell your new? You fucking said it yourself. I'm just trying to be as helpful as possible even though im not very experienced.
Like the one guy said about getting a power lifting coach to teach you form...dont bother with your gym PTs. They are there to make you sore so you dont come back. A power lifting coach will teach how to execute those movements safely. Thats something I wish i could have done but having a kkd and going to college at 30 and working is a pretty big time suck.
Also, if you eat to lose weight, you progress slow. If you eat to gain weight youll progress faster. If you spend all winter gaining weight amd getting stronger, when you slim down for summer, so will your lifts.
Well I'm new to squatting I guess, but I've been going to the gym on and off for a long time now. Just been ineffective I guess because I didn't bother to look up stuff that I was doing or seek out advice. It was basically just full body "move and pull things haphazardly until I'm sore" workouts
Ian Clark
What the fuck is the image from?
Thomas White
Great. So you know what not to do. Now it's time to begin you're experience of learning what to do. Welcome user. You're going to sore like you've never known before. Eventuay that stops. If you let DOMS beat you and prevent you from lifting, then you're only playing yourself. >DJKhaled.mp3 If you ever have any questions they've been asked before on other forums a decade ago. Google it and youll find threads from bodybuilding.com, reddit, quora, all kinds of places with fags asking the shit >bench vs dumbbell press >UL vs PPL >pain in my [here] while doing [this exercise] Its all out there. Someone has experienced what you are. Good luck user. Love you. We're all going to make it.
Colton Jenkins
Love you too thanks ;*
Isaiah Barnes
Pretty sure some bad commercial.
Chase Walker
Read nigger!
Brody Torres
honestly. just stick to the machines and focus on having good cardio. barbell shit is mostly a waste unless you plan on competing, and you will get injured sooner or later in the long run with life long back and joint issues and you will have nothing to show for it. it isn't something you should really do casually.
t. been lifting while the majority of this board was still shitting their pants playing mario
Joshua Hernandez
Post body
Owen Cooper
Even if you told me something as obvious as "eating is good for you" I would doubt it with that extremely childish aggression you got.
Xavier Martin
I walked into a gym for the first time 3 weeks ago today and was already strong enough that the weight machines mostly don't go high enough to get a good burn on 12 reps. Not a humble brag, just that it's quite easy to sacrifice good form and pump out some high numbers.
Free weight compounds recruit a lot of muscles together, including the smaller, neglected muscles used for balance. I personally find it harder to squat 45kg than I do to leg curl 120kg, you should abandon weight machines and isolations entirely until you have specific points in your body which are lacking.
Jose Garcia
Machines have you in a seats position that generally isolates your upper body from your lower body. If you sit down and use a leg press instead of squatting you're not loading your shoulders, your back, or your abs. You're not going to get the same ROM either. You're just robbing yourself. Its the same for pretty much every machine.
The cable systems, lack of quality bearings, and mechanical losses in the system means that putting up 100lbs feels nothing like actually lifting 100lbs with a barbell either.
Machines are vastly inferior approximations of half a good compound lift. They introduce the potential for injury in new ways, loading your spine awkwardly. Just don't do it. Barbell lifts are nearly idiot proof if you start out light to build your form and progress.