Why is the female “ideal body” waaaaaay easier to achieve than the male ideal body?

Good point.

No, face matters more than body for girls.

>Women generally find that level of muscle pretty gross.

Factually incorrect cope.

>washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/12/12/women-rate-the-strongest-men-as-the-most-attractive-study-finds

>Some evolutionary psychologists suggest there is an optimal peak for male strength, beyond which hulkish, muscle-bound men cease to be attractive. That trend did not appear in this study.

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You don't know that. You can take guesses. But everyone could be on fucking gear. And with that low bf% and that fulness, the guy in the OP pic could very well be on gear.

Evolution - men hunted therefore needed to be strong

>women generally find that level of muscle pretty gross
oh sweetie is that what she told you about why she isn't going to fuck Chad when she goes to his house later?

Personally I think its the same idea as a guy preferring the girl next door over an international super model. We all know whos more recognizably beautiful. However one is more common and more obtainable

This was so confusing and absolutel nonsense.

Trying to read through it, they say something like "features that indicate physical strength"... WHAT!? What the fuck does that mean?

Women dont care about muscles so the right isnt true either

Because men are designed to fuck everything that moves while women are designed to fuck the best male available.

>that chest
>natty
Choose 1(one)

The only problem I have with that pic is that it doesn't mention steroids. Although he has the fitness model look, which is nothing like what most people associate with steroids, that physique is literally unattainable without AAS. The guy in that pic, Nick Auger, was on test and tren in that pic. Not as much as a 250 lb bodybuilder takes, but he was on both in his fitness modeling days according to a guy on YouTube who used to train with him. Obviously drugs won't do the work for you, but it's one more factor that women don't have to worry about.

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You're a fucking idiot if you think Nick Auger was natty. 99 percent of fitness models use AAS. They're not taking the massive amounts that bodybuilders use, but that physique is absolutely unattainable without gear. Not the size but the fullness at that extremely low bodyfat percentage.

on top of that, a woman doesn't even have to be that thin. many guys will settle for a slightly chubby girl, I did that too. literally NO work is required for women to get a man, but don't complain about that brethren. embrace the struggle of masculinity, take pride in your physical and intellectual superiority

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I don't even want to look like that guy it's so generic looking. I don't even know what I'm working towards anymore.

What kind of cope is this?

That woman's body is far from ideal.

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Because you hold yourself to a higher standard than women. That or have shit taste
>little fats
lol

Aw lawdy
I usually am not really fond of negresses, but that body is exquisite

Except it's not.

elaborate

Women still have to work out, and there are many things in the ideal female body that is just beyond control, as in boob/ass shape, cellulite, and so on. Not to mention shit only women have to deal with, such as triceps getting loose with age and knee curving inward because of of hips.feet ratio.

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I'm not a woman, sweaty

>faggot escapee from incel containment board posts side-by-side comparison; skinny flat chested bitch who gets teased by all her friends and passed up by the dudes she considers relationship material .vs. a guy who pins and so gets great results from doing the bare minimum in the gym, yet gets to reap all the sexual and mental benefits of looking good for as long as his liver and kidneys hold up
It's easy for everyone if you cheat
Get this thread the fuck out of here

You’re comparing a common, medium effort 7/10 girl to a literal 9.9/10 unattainable dream guy. Women don’t hold as high of standards as you think they do, you just want to blame them and society as a whole for your problems and struggles instead of accepting the fact that you are the source of all your own problems and struggles.

>guy who pins and so gets great results from doing the bare minimum in the gym
wrong WRONG W R O N G
getting good results when roiding requires hard work at the gym. without it you will just retain water and lose it as you finish the cycle. STEROIDS ARE NOT MAGIC PILLS THAT MAKE YOUR MUSCLES GROW

You're the incel if you think that girl is a flat chested bitch who gets ignored by men because she doesn't meet your unrealistic standard of hotness. Furthermore, you're utterly delusional if you think that the guy in that pic doesn't work his ass off to look like that, even with gear. Steroids will make you bigger but won't make you look like a chiseled sculpture. Tons of steroid users look like Jason Blaha or Jason Genova.

Ha

Fucking gross m8

so eat like a hippo twice a week then? just solidifies the op’s point more

This, I don't care about how firm her body is if she has an ugly face, and a beautiful face can make her look great even with a slightly below average body. Don't @ me with examples of obeasts because their fat faces are always disgusting

She looks greasy as fuck

Because men are less pickier than women combined with a man's need to compete which raise the standards even higher

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Ugly as fuck
Wouldn’t touch with a stick

Yeah, you're right, I didn't pay close attention to his physique.

because men will fuck any clean hole and women dont.
if more men learned some self respect, it would be more balanced.

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It's not self respect, it's sex drive.

>that pic
Topkek Ive never seen this one.
Saved.

Because men and women have different reproductive strategies due to the respective mechanisms by which they reproduce.
Women must stay pregnant for 9 months and bear a dangerous burden therefore it is in their interests to be as selective as possible, therefore they require their male to be of higher standard.
Men can bust a nut in 10 seconds and do this multiple times a day with no issue therefore they are able and willing to reproduce with a larger selection of women.
Thank you for starting a shitty meme thread that even a 6th grader would know the answer to.
I for one can't wait to see you literally copy paste the same exact thread again a couple days from now for whatever god forsaken autistic reason compels you to do so.

Interesting, but good luck telling that to feminists

not him but it's true. most women just like ottermode and anything more muscular than that is excessive. OP's pic shows men's ideal of a man's body

if you look into the study even the strongest men was complete dyel to this boards standards. they were not even ottermode

At least for us there is room for improvement. An ugly girl cant do anything because she already reached her peak aesthetic by simply not being fat.

Also I feel like the internet is warping our expectations too. Women can have saggy tits, salami nipples, broad shoulders, bad proportions, short legs, etc etc.
Most of the "next" door type of girls who post nudes on the internet have a better body than the average

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Fucking this. The vast majority of natty lifters will NEVER look good even after a decade of work. Natty lifting is the biggest meme ever created.

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Coope harder faggot

because incels like you get lonely and desperate and will try to fuck anything even an ugly bitch, which is why when a 1/10 farts you cream your pants

Kek

Because being an ideal male is way harder than being an ideal female.

Roidcel cope.

So wrong.

Women do best by mating with a lot of different (sexy) males, letting the best sperm win, then making a wealthy cuck take care of her and the baby. That way she secures great genetics for her child as well as wealthmaxxing. Hence female hypergamy.

A male on the other hand can't cum 10 times a day every day then hunt, fight other males etc. he'll won't have the energy. Unless you're on tren or smth, 99.9% of men past puberty can't just fuck left and right while staying competitive vs. other males.

post body

>can't cum 10 times a day every day then hunt, fight other males

imagine being the beta not being able to do all this

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>Women generally find that level of muscle pretty gross

Lmao. How to spot a dyel in one sentence.

This.

>Women do best by mating with a lot of different (sexy) males, letting the best sperm win, then making a wealthy cuck take care of her and the baby
>A male on the other hand can't cum 10 times a day every day then hunt, fight other males etc. he'll won't have the energy.

You're mixing up your hypothetical scenarios. The first involves wealthy cucks, a modern concept, and the second is about cavemen hunting and gathering. Wealth didn't exist in the days of cave men. You're right that women are hypergamous but they are not going to fuck tons of different hot guys. They are far more selective than that. They might flirt with tons of different guys and, in a perfect world, have those guys fighting over her so that she can see which is strongest and have his babies. But that is the key point to understanding a woman's mindset: they instinctively see themselves as the prize and are not going to let just any decent looking guy impregnate them, and this especially was not the case in the days of cavemen. They wanted the best sperm available and that meant sharing one alpha male with multiple women.

As for having a different guy as the provider/cuck/beta who helps raise the kids, that's a modern thing. It had to be, given that cavepeople frequently died in their 20s.

Other way around, actually - it's natty cope.

I'm a natty lifter with fairly decent numbers and I still look like trash after years.

Roidcel cope, there is a study which states that people like you get better results than natural bodybuilders just by existing.

BECAUSE MOST WOMAN WANT TO LOOK LIKE THAT BUT I WANT TO LOOK LIKE THIS

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>The vast majority of natty lifters will NEVER look good even after a decade of work. Natty lifting is the biggest meme ever created.
Doesn't change the fact that this is false.

What do you mean by decent?

You're quoting a post I didn't author.

Don't dodge the challenge. Post body. Let's see your natty gains. Prove us all wrong with your amazing progress.

Why even bother? Most women are driven by emotions.

Good point.

Remove the boobs and and give it a guy's face and a dick, and it's literally the perfect bf.

>tfw no bf

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I'm a beginner, of course my body isn't amazing. Shit body or not, that doesn't change reality, retard.

Because women are fucking fags and would kill themselves if they had it even slightly hard, they're fucking WEAKLINGS
You're a fucking man, act like one and put in the work you fucking sissy
I failed my bench today, then said fuck it and tried for a second time, plowed through the PR like a motherfucker

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>Mental illness.

Men should work hard and your woman should be available when you want her to be. Why would anyone be mad that women don't have to work hard to look good? That's a good thing.

Iktfb, numbers go up by a lot but the physique barely improve. Even high volume isolations for certain bodyparts barely do anything.

>I'm a beginner
was sufficient. Not to mention totally obvious.

You are in for a wake up call, newfriend. Oh lord, are you in for a fucking wake up call. I could elaborate but we just had a huge thread about this the other day. See for yourself. boards.4channel.org/fit/thread/49584820 See that pic? You're going to look like that or worse after three years of training. Furthermore, gains are not linear; once you've been training for 3 years, you've made 95 percent of all the progress you're going to make.

But hey, don't take my word for it. Stay natty and see what happens.

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>beginner
Of, fucking, course. Trust me you have no idea what gains are like after the first 1-2 years. The gains you're experiencing right now are several times faster than what an intermediate can hope for.

The problem with most of these beginner faggots is that most of them quit quickly so they never experience how slow natty gains become. Also some of them keep lifting but they're delusional and they think they're not that far off from fake natties.
"Just one more year bro, just one more bulk/cut cycle!"

>can’t cum 10 times a day.

Can you be anymore of a cumlet?

Also semen retention and energy is complete bullshit. Mike Tyson used to have sex before all of his fights.

>buttblasted this much about some guy you'll never meet in your life who happens to be lifting naturally
Roid rage is one hell of a drug

Women would sit in the caves al day doing nothing

men would be out hunting and so on

thats why

>mfw i posted my body in that thread
i was the exception r-right haha ?

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This. And then there's the guys who are just on the wrong end of dysmorphia. I mean guys who were totally dyel kept posting pics of themselves in that thread the other day. They looked horrible but you could tell they thought they were mogging the OP. It's funny when you see people who have gained ten lb. of muscle and think they're the Rock.

I'm not even on roids and I bet the other guy isn't either. I'm just laughing at how ignorant you are.

Wow, hilarious timing. Apparently you were posting that while I was typing my post. See

>fapping is good for you!
>in fact you should be spending time fapping at least 21 times day!
>it calms you down and keeps you nice and complacent and never needing to go out and compete

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Which one are you?
Also I was the guy who posted the real pic of the model to show how mediocre his body was.

>i-i'm not on rouds
>o-other guy, not me!!
Roiders are so fucking insecure
Christ man, calm down, it was just banter

Tbh that shit happened to me a few years ago. I thought I was big and ripped until I got mogged irl enough times.

>Also some of them keep lifting but they're delusional and they think they're not that far off from fake natties.
>Trust me you have no idea what gains are like after the first 1-2 years.
>Furthermore, gains are not linear; once you've been training for 3 years, you've made 95 percent of all the progress you're going to make.
Yeah, I know, of course I will never look as good as OP's pic, but I think most will look at least decent.

Learn to read I said I bet he wasn't.

>I'm not even on roids and I bet the other guy isn't either.
I'm the other guy and you're totally correct. I plan on getting on TRT when I hit legit boomer age but I have no plans to turn in my natty card any time soon. I just enjoy laughing at delusional newfags like this guy.

>Christ man, calm down, it was just banter
Nah, you were serious. And you got BTFO. Suck a dick, faggot.

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You can 100% look decent (even good) by normie standards while natty. But not by fitness community/yt/ig standards.

Yep, I agree.

Same, I'll get on TRT like Brad from the delray misfits once my test starts dropping. And I'm waiting so when i get on juice I have the money for a hair transplant if I get cursed by the norwood gods.