I've heard that Jow Forums users generally have good and helpful advice for people.
Anyway, for a really long time I have been increasingly gaining weight and have suffered from depression. I am starting to think its due to low testosterone levels. I do not suffer from ED or hair loss but I do feel affected by other symptoms.
I really want to put my life together and do something instead of just eventually necking it. Meds dont work anymore.
What do?
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>What do?
The only real testosterone booster is testosterone. Start injecting it weekly. Get a prescription from an HRT clinic if you want to do it legally.
You lack discipline, not chemicals. If you can't take control of your own life then no one or nothing will do it for you.
get bloodwork done, than at least you'll know if its something obvious
I went from 530ng/dl to 945ng/dl doing the following:
- Stopped eating a plant based diet. I only had 2 days of meat a week, now I eat meat everyday. Grass fed local pastured. Also local freerange eggs and raw milk.
- Supplement Vitamin D3 and IODINE
- Stopped wanking
- Stopped my very stressful job (operations) where I was sitting in a shitty office room with lights flashing in my eyes, WIFI repeaters blasting me with RMF and my eyes getting fucked from focussing on a screen intentionally.
- stopped (extreme) fasting
fasting is a fucking meme. I'm still doing "don't eat for the first 2 hours of the morning" but if you aren't fat anything beyond that is fucking retarded.
Thank me later
t. 30y/o boomer.
>- Stopped eating a plant based diet. I only had 2 days of meat a week, now I eat meat everyday. Grass fed local pastured. Also local freerange eggs and raw milk.
How much Iodine do you take? im currently eating kombu instead of taking drops.
Good lord, he looks like King Louie
Not going to make it man
based onion man aka jim stoppani
post blood test results or didnt happen
don't care if plebs don't believe me, stay pleb! stay low T!
stay low test beta s|o|i fag
Stay low test you disgusting soiboy nigger faggot
How's it lookin lads? 2 yrs into lifting. Is my DHEA sulphate bad?
I only supplement creatine and whey.
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Also stop masturbating: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
>Also stop masturbating: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
That's a three week study. Studies lasting months show that refraining from masturbation actually lowers test in the long run.
I'd ask you to post those studies but I already know that the only ones are about impotent men which makes them completely irrelevant.
No, it doesn't. Sexually dysfunctional men are still men.
what is extreme fasting? also being fat lower t so if you are fat lose the weight.
I have been called worse i guess!
Increasing muscular mass and decreasing bodyfat increases testosterone. I didn't think it was possible but it seems like my dick took an extra inch of length and half an inch of girth between age 20 and 30.
>In contrast, although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence. These data demonstrate that acute abstinence does not change the neuroendocrine response to orgasm but does produce elevated levels of testosterone in males.
Care to explain? The abstract seems to indicate otherwise.
1. Eat very clean, avoid sugar & processed foods completely.
2. Heavy compound lifts and HIIT/sprints.
3. Sleep minimum 8-9 hours
4. Get enough Vitamin D/sunlight
5. Use a water filtration system like Berkey for drinking water. Eliminate all conventional household cleaners/hygiene products. Use natural products instead like vinegar for cleaning, essential oils instead of cologne, natural soaps etc.
Obviously, if you're overweight, lose weight slowly through lifting. 12% bf is optimal for T production. This is how I brought up my T levels when I was tested at 397 ng/dl.
>Care to explain? The abstract seems to indicate otherwise.
I just said that the study posted above lasted only three weeks and that I am skeptical of it on that grounds alone. My post left little room for ambiguity, thus I find it quizzical that you are quoting from the abstract that I just got done saying is to be taken with a grain of salt in the very post that you are responding to.
But if you really want me to dissect this stupid study, fine, I'll roll up my sleeves and break it down for you.
In the full study (not the abstract that the user above posted), the baseline testosterone levels were the same in both groups by the end of the study. The elevated testosterone referenced by people who misunderstand the abstract of this study is only elevated during arousal. See pic related? That's not their baseline testosterone from the start of the study till the end. That's their test while sexually aroused. The fapping and nofap groups start at the same level after three weeks of fapping or abstinence, respectively. In other words, NoFap does not equal more test.
The sentence "although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence“ refers only to a higher testosterone concentration while masturbating. Again, see figure C. The start of the graph is where NoFap takes you; the resting test levels are the same.
This is the full study, not the often misquoted and misunderstood abstract:
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It's written in a confusing way because it's very specific to the experiment on masturbation. Again, the elevated levels refers to elevated after 60 minutes of watching porn and fapping, not elevated after three weeks of NoFap.
Lmao you literally cut off the part of the picture where it clearly states that the 20min part where the difference is at it's highest is baseline testosterone. This is also why the study clearly states "The current study demonstrated that 3 weeks of sexual abstinence elevated basal testosterone concentrations." This increase is specifically called significant.
Are you the same faggot who purposefully misunderstands that study every single time? Do you get paid to do that?
I look almost like pic related, what do? How do if fix myself?
Stay low test you filthy shitskin degenerate manlet
Do you understand something as simple as reading a graph? The start of the experiment is the number furthest to the left. That is the start of their baseline test after three weeks of nofap or three weeks of fapping.
Literally just work out. It's the simplest and easiest method without injecting to increase test.
What do you think discipline is if not chemicals interacting inside you?
>fortune cookie wisdom
>Sexually dysfunctional men are still men
20 hours a day.
Don't fall for it, its completely unneeded unless you are a fatso.
i've had adrenal gland problems ever since a teenager, oddly enough staying away from red meats and only eating occasional fish keeps my testosterone higher. doc said the animal proteins fuck with my sugar metabolism in adrenal glands or some shit
Do you understand something as simple as reading an abstract?
>These data demonstrate that acute abstinence does not change the neuroendocrine response to orgasm but does produce elevated levels of testosterone in males.
"Elevated levels of testosterone in males" refers only to a higher testosterone concentration while masturbating, as represented by figure C, posted above in its entirety. The abstract you continue clinging to so desperately is a summary of the experiment from the time of 10 to 60 minutes. Examine the starting point of the graph and tell me there's a significant difference between the groups. You can't. The beginning of the graph is where three weeks of NoFap takes you (around 4.5) and three weeks of fapping takes you right below that (around 4.4). That is not a significant difference at the starting point.
Get fucked, porn kike ruined entire generation, ED is more common than ever.
>is fat
>wondering why he feels low test
ah yes, a mystery
not true bro, 20mg nolvadex per day is a great testosterone booster with almost no side effects
>20 hours a day
>extreme fasting
are you retarded?
He fell for the intermittent fasting meme.
Lower body fat and increase your muscle mass. Reduce substances like alcohol, tobacco, drugs, sugar, deep fried foods, plastics, processed onions, non organic milk.
>doesn't say improved test numbers
I heard that some people inject it.
no you are fucking projecting piece of shit.
> ctrl+f "carnivore" Phrase not found
Let me be clear on this: if you want fix hormonal imbalances, go carnivore; just meat, organs and eggs, that's the proper way to it; everything else will disturb your homeostasis, especially fructose and alcohol; and ofc you have better chances are getting back do optimal levels by staying away from what hurts you than hurting yourself and trying to fix it later adding something else (like eating carb-based diet then trying a myriad of meds and supplements to fix the harm done);
and so is heart disease. and so are rates of meat and fatty food consumption
You’re not low t you’re just fucking fat and lazy. Eat less, eat better, work out more. Retard.
Listen OP, JUST FUCKING LIFT. All this bullshit that's supposed to 'raise your test' is just that: BULLSHIT. There are no legal shortcuts, there is no 'one stupid trick', there's nothing but LIFT and EAT and SLEEP and keep it up consistently over the long term. Don't waste your money and time on stupid snake oil shit.
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this shit works like magic
and increased my T and has an E blocker
>cheating faggots who end up with tiny balls and heart disease
idiots
You're depressed because you feel that you have no control over your life. Do things that make you feel in control and you'll feel better.
>hurr durr drink this EXPENSIVE SNAKE OIL
>it's just vitamins and shit
you're stupid and they're laughing at you all the way to the bank you fool
cant handle the truth twink?
Can you, substance abusing loser?
>he thinks he's superior
>has to cheat to feel that way
LOL
>trt gives you heart disease
Thank God you're here. Now you just have to educate those idiots over at Harvard. They seem to think that men with the lowest testosterone have the greatest risk of heart disease.
health.harvard.edu
But what do they know, those idiots? They'll never be as educated as you. After all, you're an anonymous fucking idiot on a Chilean surf wax appreciation fansite. Clearly, you know best!
Typical of substance abusers, you'll do or say anything to defend your addiction, normalize it, make it sound like you're the one who's okay and everyone else is wrong and persecuting you for no reason.
Get into rehab or something, druggie. Be sure to make amends to the people you've wronged while you were using.
zinc magnesium and d3
...but user, everyone says that vitamin and mineral supplements are a waste of money and do nothing! /sarcasm
>tfw havent made any kind of results after 2y of working out
>tfw did 5 studies and scored 230 in my lowest and 350 in my highest
>doctor tells me she can't prescribe anything because i'm still among healthy parameters
I want to stop feeling tired but dont want to become a chronic illegal drug user at 22, i even have small gyno, people used to compliment me all time but now lost all energy to workout and feel tired after jogging 1 mile
>Chilean surf wax appreciation fansite
Someone really should collect all these for posterity
>cheat
I never understood why people think like this. Cheating would imply everyone has agreed upon a set of rules on how to lead their life. Roids are perfectly legal to posses and use in my country. Are protien shakes cheating?
Lifting weights is the best way to increase test.
its will power dumbass
delet this
May be a pseudo effect but been dieting hard, listening to nothing but drill music and doin no fap but my test feels much higher, I’m horny all the time atm
>Still falling for the supplement Jew
Here, I'll smarten you up, newfriend. Let's take a look at the ingredients list together.
>Vitamin B6
>Vitamin D3
>Magnesium
>Zinc
While these are all fine ingredients, you are getting a miniscule amount of them from this formula and paying through the nose for what you get. Magnesium and Zinc both boost test in people who are deficient but guess what? They block the absorption of one another. Vitamin D3 is great but you want 1,000iu for every 25 lb of bodyweight. Unless you weigh 25 lb, this is not enough.
>D Aspartic Acid
This is what is doing 90 percent of the work when it comes to actual test boosting. DAA does boost test and has the research behind it to prove it. Unfortunately for you, it only works for two weeks before your body becomes accustomed to it. You're also way overpaying for it. I literally bought 1kg for $38 last month. You're only getting 90g for $28.
>Tribulus
>Fenugreek
These are aphrodisiacs that don't boost test at all. They're thrown in to induce spontaneous erections so you think your testosterone is surging when really, you're just getting horny. Tribulus even gives people acne, so they think they must be on something as strong as a steroid.
>DIM
DIM is a weak aromatase inhibitor but it works best in very small doses, 100mg or less per day. Anything over that tends to actually have the reverse effect. DIM is also an androgen inhibitor, so even if you're boosting testosterone with the DAA, DIM is making sure you don't get much out of it.
So there you have it. Do you see now why testosterone boosting formulas are the biggest waste of money in the entire supplement world? By the way, while I don't encourage people to take drugs without a prescription, an actual bottle of testosterone can be purchased online for less than $60, and will last you quite a bit longer than this one month supply of snake oil.
yes, just like Arnold right
what else do you recommend?
Not him but it seems like you've done some reading. I will order DAA tonight. What is the most powerful aphrodisiacs you know of that I can order online? Something I can take every now and then. I've tried maca and ashwagandha extracts. I've found Maca works well but I'm open to try others.
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>D-aspartic acid may increase testosterone in inactive men or those with low testosterone. However, it has not been shown to boost testosterone in men who weight train.
I mean, seeing as how he didnt realize that his first post could be read in two completely different connotations equally--either in support, or in opposition--and then got angry a dude asking for clarification, I take it your not arguing with the pointiest fork in the drawer.
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