Shit normies say/believe

Creatine is literally steroids. It is the anabolic breakdown of protein synthesizers isolated into a single molecule. Be careful with that stuff bro.

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>>Bodybuilding muscles aren't actual muscle, it's just water
True, kinda.
Steroids cause your muscles to retain water, which makes them appear larger.
You do gain real muscle too though.
>>I want to have real strength like a farmer or a football player
Bodybuilders aren't that strong really because a lot use baby weights for 12 reps, extremely sub optimal for strength.
A powerlifter could out lift a bodybuilder of equal experience 99/100 times.
>>you need body fat to turn into muscle!
Having a bit of chunk does help you gain muscle a bit.
>>As soon as you stop lifting weights you'll become fat and saggy
See arnie's retirement beach photos

>>As soon as you stop lifting weights you'll become fat and saggy
See arnie's retirement beach photos
If you eat enough protein you wont loss that much muscle mass over time. The example with arnold is about 20-30 years later bruv.

>How did you get so lean user?
>Tell them my "secrets"
>Said secrets include making an effort
>...No but seriously user, how did you do it?

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>What the fuck is with normies and thinking anything but carbs are bad?
Follow the money

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>i have long muscles so compounds don't work for me like they do for you

>no, no interest in weightlifting
>i don't want to be top-heavy
>short of lifting cars off the ground, what use is it being able to lift a few hundred pounds?
>i find people who are super bulky from lifting are slower, more prone to general injuries, and less able to do regular tasks
>it's not a functional work out
>i'm pretty bored of climbing though
>really like yoga

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Im sure not using the copious amounts of steroids, eating less and you know age didnt make difference

>hey let's go to the gym together
>why do my arms only look like yours when I've got them pressed flat against the wall
>hey I'm bored let's go

>you can't ride a bike for 100 km
>you can't draft trucks at highway speeds
>you don't need that big chainring
>why you pedal so fast, shift up a gear
>you NEED oxygen above 3800 m

enjoy your white rice goyim, and remember carbohydrates make up the basis of any healthy and normal diet. Don't get too much protein or you'll get liver damage!!

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>why do you want to be strong?

This question is so insane to me. I still don't have an answer.

>Steroids cause your muscles to retain water, which makes them appear larger.
Pic related proves you wrong.

>Bodybuilders aren't that strong really because a lot use baby weights for 12 reps, extremely sub optimal for strength.
Ronnie had a powerlifting background, Larry was doing bodybuilding for some time and he's a freak of nature, Jay Cutler is also pretty strong.

>A powerlifter could out lift a bodybuilder of equal experience 99/100 times.
And an oly lifter will outlift a powerlifter. With great form on top of that too.
Strength involves a lot of CNS development, you absolute monkey. Obviously someone who hits PRs and lifts at 90% all the time will have better lifts than someone who doesn't do this.

>Having a bit of chunk does help you gain muscle a bit
No. Being on a caloric surplus does that. Being "chunky" doesn't mean shit except coat you in a layer of fat that gives you size.

>See arnie's retirement beach photos
Frank Zane off-roids/off-training looks good.

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How exactly does that picture prove anything, retard?

>Pic related proves you wrong.
Are you really denying that most steroids cause some kind of water retention also in msucle tissue?

Nigga wut?

Not him but I've heard this too.

>user why do you run so much, its really bad for you. I bet your knees are already shot.
>lifting and cardio at the same time are pointless, it cancels out your gains .

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>What? You shouldn't go to failure every set, you'll injury yourself! Just go to 12 and stop, that's what they say you should do, right?

>Oh c'mon, you don't need to go to the gym again today, just skip it and have beer/pizza/cake with us, you look good already, you can afford it!

>counting calories and working out doesn't work for everyone user, some people can eat anything they want and not get fat, and other people can eat healthy and still gain weight, some people just have better genetics is all.

Unironically all things I've heard family members say at some point.

>Friend who started working out a week ago tells me he does PPL
>"ABCxABC"?
>"No, I only lift 3 times a week."
>Tell him that there's no way he'll make gains by only hitting a muscle once per week
>Provide him with a specialized full-body-plan
>"Nah thanks. I will just use your plan as soon as I hit a plateau."

I wonder how many weeks it will take him until he sees that all his workouts were wasted by his stupid regime

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Noice
This user knows his shit

>I wonder how many weeks it will take him until he sees that all his workouts were wasted by his stupid regime
don't worry, he will quit by then

During one Christmas dinner when I was a kid dad told me we were born fat and people like me and him can't do anything about it. The relatives that heard this strongly agreed before one of them loaded more food on my plate

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I find this funny and yet slightly disturbing.

based and redpilled

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>Oh c'mon, you don't need to go to the gym again today, just skip it and have beer/pizza/cake with us, you look good already, you can afford it!

you know you can actually afford it though right? I had a minor injury and couldnt work out for 2 weeks and didnt even have to lower the weight when i returned.

Yes, I am aware. However the reason they think I can "afford" it is because fitness is a long haul journey and I've spent years making a lot of deliberate and consistent healthy choices. If I start breaking that every time someone wants me to eat pizza and have a few drinks on a weekday then soon enough it will break those habits and I'll lose progress rather than continue to move forward. Consistency and routine are crucial and sometimes it's difficult for them to understand why it's so important to me.

And don't get me wrong, I do enjoy myself. I treat most Saturdays as a cheat day where I pretty much eat/drink whatever I want, but I compartmentalize that behavior and know when/why i'm doing it and keep it in check.

How are you doing now user?

I'm doing fine, went from 115 kg to 75 kg. Been lifting since December and some gains are starting to show

Dad has seen the errors of his ways and have lost quite a lot of weight himself

>why do you want to be strong?
that's what men do.

As a lanklet who beat the lankletness by working on a farm for three summers this is somewhat true. The real trick is being constantly doing something and not eating like absolute shit. Throwing hay bales, digging ditches, shoveling out stables, and plowing fields turn you into a beast. I ate grains and whatnot the whole time, but the trick was just not snacking like a fucking fatso. To be fair I grew the fucking grain myself but truly white bread is the enemy of mankind.

absolutely disgusting

been there.
thanks to a family like that i was obese for most of my life.
now i'm a fucking chad. so much for genetics.
and now they keep telling me that it's only me that can achieve this in our family for various new bullshit reasons.

NEVER IMPROVE!

These are the people posting on Jow Forums

>nothing will not happen as much as that will not happen

kek

>skinnyfat people that refuse to go to the gym because they think massive bodybuilders are unattractive
Implying they could EVER have the discipline to get that big.

God I miss him

This. It’s not about the fact that he could in fact be fine skipping, it’s the idea that breaking the routine or the habit has a much bigger chain of effect then the pizza ever could. I’m well aware of the fact that I could eat pizza today and skip my workout and be fine, but mentally it’s not an option at all and could lead to disaster.

>because the alternative is being weak

>oh yeah baby look at me, it's all in the water

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>>Tell him that there's no way he'll make gains by only hitting a muscle once per week
This kid would like to disagree with you.

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My family is the same way. All of them are fat, sedentary, and constantly feel like crap. They all eat like garbage, and say it's genetics. Yet somehow in my entire life I've never been overweight and have always looked good. I guess I got different genetics.

>at YMCA
>filling up water after workout
>staple thot who is there every other day is standing right behind me waiting to hit the water fountain
>I didn't realize how long she had been behind me
>I was just standing there spacing out and rubbing a bicep while filling a bottle
>notice her presence
>Look over my shoulder and say "Oh, my bad" as I go to walk away and let her use the water fountain
>she says "Wow your arms must be super sore, dude"
>I say "Yeah, just a bit"
>She says "I never really get sore and I lift for 30 minutes"
>rambles off about something else I don't remember
>I basically start thinking out loud and tell her "You should use heavier dumbbells if you want actual progress"
>fake smile immediately evaporates from her face as all the playful tone in her voice leaves and she says "I don't want big arms"

This thot was doing side raises and curls with 2lb dumbbells while stepping up and down on one of the plastic steps. Soft body, didn't even have abs, just a semi flat stomach that you could tell she was sucking in the entire time so it didn't still out over the top of her belly button high yoga pants.

I'll take things that never happened for 100, John.

what exactly are the negative side effects of using creatine?

Wasting money.

Acne and hair loss are the big ones

>I tell him that nothing will not happen as much as that will not happen
translation: that is the least likely thing to happen

it's alex you fucking mong

Uncontrollable homosexual urges.
Immediate and relentless hair loss which will make you look like a dickless 45 year old math teacher
Puffy nipples and gyno
erectile dysfunction
knock knees
IBS
psoriasis
dandruff
outie belly button
banjo lips
flat feet
diminished cognitive capacity
etc

Really it might have an effect on accelerating hair loss if you have the gene present and expressed for male pattern baldness. Once you start taking it you basically become addicted to it, meaning you'll forever need it to maintain your current level, if you stop taking it you'll likely regress on lifts to a small degree. It might make acne worse, but there are tons of different causes and kinds of acne, so its hard to say if this one factor is really worth pinpointing compared to everything else a person does or consumes to irritate their skin.
Its just a waste of money. In practical terms you might notice you have the endurance to put up one more rep than before. Not much gain for what is essentially an addiction you must continually feed or you'll lose that one extra rep.

does it actually make a difference? and is the hair loss only on the top of your head or random all over your body?

Hi manlet.

Had a coworker once tell me she didn't want to "accidentally build too much muscle, so I don't go to the gym too often haha"

4 scoops c'mon

>Uncontrollable homosexual urges
stopped reading right there. no amount of muscle is worth that hell

It’s a joke lmao he’s making conversation

>”i just want to tone up my underarms and my stomach but I don’t want to get too muscular”
>”there is such a thing as getting too big user, girls don’t like super buff guys”
>”i still have until may to get to look good for the summer”

Arnold is a outlier, as are other bodybuilders who went from weightlifting to bodybuilding. Most bodybuilders care about how they look not how much their muscles lift

>My Ex-GF's fat friend once told me that running was bad and unhealthy for you.

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All over the internet are references to “push/pull” workouts, that organize muscle groups into “pushing” and “pulling” functions. So what exactly is “pulling,” and what is “pushing”? The consensus seems to be that pulling involves causing the object in question to come towards the actor, while pushing involves moving the object away from the actor. Therefore, a bench press is a push and a deadlift is a pull.

Apparently, the “pushing” muscles are the tris, pecs, front delts, and quads. The pulling muscles are the hammies, the lats, and the glutes (using these terms to make people comfortable).

Aside from the fact that the most useful exercises in the gym are based on normal human movement patterns and not their constituent muscle groups, pushing and pulling are 1.) entirely arbitrary distinctions, given the fact that all muscles function by creating tension against levers, 2.) not particularly useful distinctions, given the fact that a deadlift, for example, is pushed away from the floor and a barbell row massacres your triceps, and 3.) are completely irrelevant to programming for strength training.

The best way to get strong is to load normal human movements progressively and incrementally, using a full range of motion with increasingly heavy weight, so that the most muscle mass can be used and therefore strengthened with each exercise. It takes about 4 different exercises to accomplish this.

I have to stop now, because I am becoming dumber as I write about this. We may as well be discussing the problem of becoming “muscle bound,” or how lifting weights slows you down, or how all the muscle turns to fat if you quit lifting weights, or how if you get strong without losing the fat first you put a layer of muscle over the fat and it will never come off, or how you gotta look up to go up, or how sit-ups shred your abz, or how chicks dig abz, or how Bruce Lee could almost hit you in the chest and you would die 3 days later, etc. Sorry.

>she's not fat because she over eats like I'm with her all the time and she doesn't eat that much. She's just bigger boned and has a larger frame.

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You are an idiot and you should feel bad giving this kid retarded advice

4 scoops, 6 times a day? C’MON!!

you’re right, user. I fell into that trap & now I’m restarting with empty bar 5x5 after almost hitting 2pl8 squats.... and this was 2 years ago... Never stop & never give up user. Fuck those gains goblins, they weren’t with you in the gym lifting that heavy ass weight

>Especially the fat to muscle meme.
This is just the uninformed's way of explaining bulking. The effect is correct they just don't understand how it works.

>As soon as you stop lifting weights you'll become fat and saggy
If you don't adjust your diet, this one becomes true.

I don't have enough time to exercise, resumes playing Candy Crush on smartphone for next three hours

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Maybe later
>insert excuse not to have sex with spouse

Nothing clinically proven.

The gains are addictive like nicotine and if stop taking it (i.e. lose gains) you will suffer withdrawal, depression, and increased risk of suicidal thoughts

Don't try user, he won't understand

t. never been on a cycle

who the fuck is that

>175kg/385lbs weighted dip
>80kg/176lbs weighted paused pull up
Mathew Zlat

Bodybuilders during shows have 0 water weight they spend almost the month before dropping any liquid weight or additional mass. What you see on stage is literally the definition of yoked.

thats not what a steroid is dude, look up: sex steroids. there is a difference between a PED and a steroid. steroids colloquially mean PEDs but there is a distinction in actuality

It's called conditioning, retard-kun.

>taking protein powder
No user, you are the dumb normalfag scum

>long distance runners arent real runners, sprinters are faster
never would have guessed a person who trains for something might be better at it than someone who doesn't

You have zero idea how to prep for a bodybuilding show.

How do you prep then big boy

>You shouldn't go to failure every set
This is true, doing amrap for anything except isolations is retarded

He was scared you’d shoot up the school

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Did you if you consume too much protein, your body will break down excess into glycogen

I would love to wake up and look like Arnold one day.

push/pull is a fairly arbitrary distinction but some sort of distinction needs to be used to optimize training frequency of muscle groups. even novice strength routines are just PPL with increased frequency to take advantage of LP in beginners, basically doing a full PPL sequence within one workout. For example nearly every beginner program has something like bench (upper push), pull ups (upper pull), squat (lower focusing legs/glutes) on one day and then press (upper push), row/clean (upper pull), dl (lower focusing on back) on the other day with minor variation like squatting every session or something like that.

My mind says “for the inevitable race war and that I shall be the hand of god cleansing the world of earthly evil,” but my mouth says “to open the mayonnaise”.

I have a friend who said protein powder makes your organs bigger. I don't see him anymore.

Its brutal, dude. I wanted to go to the movies with a friend but I did an extra set of bench the night before and accidentally became a body builder. Had to buy all new clothes. Totally ruined my day.