Does Jow Forums go to Church during Sundays?

You're implying GOD lives in the sky. GOD is immaterial, which is why He is omnipresent. As a Christian, my strength comes from within. But not because I have it inherently, it's because the Holy Ghost dwells within me.
I haven't been to church in a while. SDA btw so I don't go to church on Sunday.
>inb4 legalist
No, going to church on the Sabbath doesn't save you. Salvation is through faith, by grace alone. I don't follow the SDA diet either. Contrary to popular opinion, eating "kosher" isn't a pillar of our faith. Feels kinda bad how the Hebrew roots movement is somehow getting popular within SDA circles.

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I go to a Baptist church but I am a fan of the SDA church. Ever listen to Walter Birth?

where are you? find evangelical southern baptist types OR orthodox churches. no fag shit there

You mean Walter Veith? Yeah, I've heard some of his stuff. Iirc, he was an evolutionist turned creationist.

Yes

I go to a morning mass and a night time divine liturgy

The bastard warrior king of the israelites said that god is not housed in any church and we need not speak to anyone to speak to god

It's in the bible...well...the poorly translated condensed version filled with politically convenient oc donut steel nonsense.

Can we talk about the fact that mods are removing religious threads? They keep up sex threads and high test threads, but the moment we start praising the Lord, they swoop in and take us down. It's like they're trying to push a degenerate lifestyle on us

Very disappointing. Especially when that trap thread was allowed to stay up for over a day when nothing about the trapezius was even being discussed. Feels threads that are downright depressing stay up for days as well. Christian threads, which are the exact opposite, and very motivating are culled. What did they mean by this?

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>grow up in conservative christian area
>go to christian school
>lot of bad experience with the teachers/religious leaders
>incompetent youth pastors
>stop going to any groups
>go to uni
>go to various college christian groups
>incompetent/ super politically left leadership
>literally had one guy tell us we needed to ask god to forgive our privilege
>felt like alot of current trendy stuff and maybe some people had a hard on for that hillsong aesthetic
>leave those groups
>~2 yrs since uni
>currently
>live life by biblical principles
>but not really part of a community or church anymore
>part of me wants to have a good christian group
>but part of me expects more of the same disappointment

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iktf bro. Church was a kinda liberal too. Got worse when Trump got elected, now there's a prayer request every week related to stuff the media spouts against him. I don't really mind it that much but the pastor preaches mostly platitudes and there's nothing really weighty or to be learned at church anymore. Ateast it's not into Hillsong or none of that contemporary drivel, but still. Nowadays I spend most of my time just watching Christian YouTubers like Apologia radio, Bible Thinker, Soteriology 101, Act17 Apologetics, Islam Critiqued, InspiringPhilosophy etc, and some of Archbishop Fulton Sheen (even though I'm a Protestant). I feel more at blessed watching them than at church, unfortunately.

Hello gnostic autist

>there's nothing really weighty or to be learned at church anymore
This has unfortunately been in the back of my mind for a while. Christianity used to be at the forefront of spirituality and philosophy. Last time I went to church the pastor was wearing these hip hop pants with the giant ballsack area and preaching a message which was so vanilla and did not make me think at all.
The most relevant depth I have seen in a while has been Jordan Peterson's talks on the bible.
Some of my friends send me links to other guys when we have these conversations, and while I don't disagree with much of what they preach, there's really nothing I can learn off of them.
I do tend to lean towards the smaller groups though, as I find that having a conversation brings out more challenging conversations which would not be possible during a large group meeting.

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Sydney, ausfailia

Second most pozzed city in the southern hemisphere

Feels as if anyone can become a pastor/priest/preacher in general these days.

liberal protestantism is dying, user. become catholic or orthodox and study the fullness of theology and philosophy, join in communion with the historic church

>hip hop pants with the giant ballsack area
>pic related
alot of crossfit apparel recently too

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Big churches were a mistake. Especially mega churches where the goal is quantity, and not quality. The pastor has to preach a sermon that appeals to everyone. I disagree with JBP's Christianity since he won't even admit that God literally exists, but even the stuff he says has more value to it than the stuff my pastor says. The new apostolic movement is a heresy that's quickly spreading among big churches.

But that's why there's the internet, there a lot of good preachers on YouTube. Apologia Studios does a lot of anti-abortion stuff, Bible Thinker does a lot on the new apostolic movement, Acts17 Apologetics and Islam Critiqued on Islam and Atheism. You can just chill on your rest day and watch a couple hours of them instead of going to a liberal church if there are no good churches near you. I live in a very liberal city so I'm stuck with YouTube for a while.

i wanna convert to orthodoxy but im too autistic to go to church

I volunteer at a Christian-driven nonprofit, but Church? It's nobody but old-people and foreigners, nothing for me there.

Maybe that's the issue. Maybe they need higher standards. It's all good if someone want's to participate imo, but being a leader could be equivalent to being a psychologist. You really need to know the ins and outs of a job which influences people's lives lit it should.

I have been to a handful of catholic services and it didn't really connect.
The orthodox group interests me as I know a guy who is pretty bright and very into the orthodox church. But I also know a chick who is into it who is a bit pretentious so idk. I would probably check it out if I was invited.

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>people's lives lit it should.
* people's lives like it should

why?

Ill give some of those a shot. Not the same as some of the conversations I would have about this stuff irl. Always good times to see someone totally stumble through and learn something new, or see someone come out of nowhere and hit me with an angle I did not see before.

>Contrary to popular opinion, eating "kosher" isn't a pillar of our faith.
That's interesting. Most of the SDAs I've met dont follow the diet 100% either.
If you dont mind, could you explain what role the diet actually plays for Adventists?

yeah traditional catholic parishes are definitely better. and there are lame people in every group user, don't let that stop you. check out orthodoxy and see what you think

Nah, still pray every day. I find my own meaning in the scriptures my dudes, there's so much beautiful stuff in there.

Friendly reminder that no matter your religion, you are a faggot because at least 5 billion people disagree with whatever you think is right.

I don't go to church because the entire church consists of cucked kumbaya-singing marxist platitude-spewing nominal """christians""" who wanna save all the niggers and kiss their feet. There are like only, 10 real Christians out of every million "Christians". Remember to be a Chirstian is to sacrifice your life in the material world and to become a martyr. Embracing the truth means the sapes kill you in the end.

>thinking it's a competition
>thinking it's a zero-sum game
>being this blue-pilled and unenlightened

unironically cringed

Proof to me that God exists and i will go every week.

That's true. Irl conversations are always better. I used to be a Christian materialist, and if it weren't for a Christian thread here on Jow Forums with a video from InspiringPhilosophy's channel, I'd still be one. Really opened my eyes. I don't agree with his stuff on the Bible agreeing with evolution and the Genesis not being literal but his stuff on philosophy is really good.

Joined Anglican choir a while ago, bishop of the diocese wants me to get baptized soon. Feels good man.

no you won't because you will have no faith

proof and faith do not co-exist. the "proof" you're looking for can be found in at least two ways:
>look deep inside your inner world - meditate, "pray," whatever you want to call it, "be still and know that I am God," as the english bible puts it
>look into nature and the cosmos - the existence of the universe, the beauty of the universe. learn physics, study astronomy, chemistry, biology, literally any natural science and, again, as the english bible puts it, the rocks and hills will cry out in praise of the Creator

God is the unmoved mover, is the only instance of perpetual motion, is eternal, infinite, immutable, singular, unchanging, He is the power source of the universe, the beginning of all events.

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The only thing you should be cringing at is your own sheepish mindset

Nearly all of those 5 billion people can barely be considered human, more like the missing link, stop projecting whiteness onto animals with 70IQ and simple subsistence-farming peasants with 90IQ

how so? nothing sheepish about it

It's part of the "your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost" thing. Eating things that aren't kosher is supposed to be bad for the body. And maybe in those times it was not healthy to eat those foods since parasites were common with pigs and antihistamines for shellfish allergies weren't invented yet, but with today's advances in medical science, pork and shellfish is just as healthy as beef and fish.

Eating isn't a sin, but eating to the point of hurting the body is. And you can do this on any diet really. So as Christians we're at liberty to eat anything as long as we continue to honor God with our bodies and not damage our bodily temple.

>If you don't believe in this fairy tale you will spend eternity in hell

lol

Eating is like a sin because of the pleasure derived from it. Fasting brings us closer to God and death.

That's a nice story, but it doesn't prove the excistence of god. You are basically using the "You have to be smart to understand god" argument is see all over the place. You can look at the nature of the cosmos and pull all kinds of conclusions that fit your agenda. Don't get wrong though, i'm not an Atheïst. I'm open to believe everything as long adequate proof has been shown.

Thx for the physics lesson, but it doesn't prove god.

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Believers suffer from stockholm syndrome.

You believe that God is imaginary and that you will be eternally punished for no reason, you are just parroting the same MSM garbage we've all heard a million times.

God is real, Hell is reserved for the Satan when it finishes serving its purpose to temper man, the man who does not repent will perish like animals do, and crumble away into dust for eternity.

Stop with your shitty rhetoric and proof it. And no, the bible is not proof.

All the bullshit you would tell someone to get them believe something ridiculous is religion.

Stupid jewish dyke believer

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God is responsible for the creation of the universe and is the driving force of continuity

What would you consider as evidence for God? You apparently reject logic. That user gave you an argument, and you, being unable to refute it just brushed it off. Is this the state of atheism? Pathetic.

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It is you who has swallowed Jewish lies. Nihilistic materialism is what Jews believe in, along with ethnocentrism, but the garbage they push to people like you is only the nihilistic materialism part. Beware of the synagogue of Satan, those who say they are Jews but are not, the Jews of Judea are gone.

>Implying i'm an Atheist
Lmao

>What would you consider as evidence for God?
Proof that humanity and the universe was created by a higher power.
>2) A maximally great being exists in some possible world
This is bullsht and it makes the entire image useless. Why should there be a possible world where a maximally great being exists?

Proof it.

Have you ever considered the fact that Christianity is an abomination of the Tanakh and you aren't in a right relationship with God because you worship Jesus as God himself? You understand the limitless and eternal God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob would never become a flesh and blood human right? Why do you hate God so much that you practice idolatry and pray to Jesus when you should be praying ONLY to the Father?

jew

I posted a logical claim, which you did not even attempt to refute, instead asking for more "proof".

>worships a jew

Jesus is God, worshiping an expression of God is not idolatry

But you didn't post a logical claim.

The only possible answer for the creation of the universe is an infinite source of power, and even science admits that the universe was infinitely hot and dense before the big bang.

Sure, but that doesn't mean it has to be some omnipotent force.

An agnostic is just an atheist without balls. A pagan is just an atheist larping amongst the trees in the scandinavian woods.
You've already received two arguments, and failed to refute either of them. After receiving such, the onus is on you to prove that He doesn't. Try making an argument next time instead of calling BS. Grow some balls and admit you're an atheist, and workout your brain muscles too, they're severely deficient.

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Explain what you find illogical about my claim, instead of resorting to empty contradictions.

When that altar calls, I’m going. Gotta pray for that salvation of the soul and preservation of those gains. My mental health is better and my relationships with myself and others have drastically improved with accepting Christ in my life. Jesus died for all and accepts all in his kingdom. You just have to be willing to accept him back.
>Deuteronomy 31:8 - It is the Lord who goes before you. He will be with you; he will not fail you or forsake you. Do not fear or be dismayed

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Infinite = omnipotent

Hahahah so here we have classic idolatry and indoctrination. Sit down buddy bear you're gonna love this. God has certain UNCHANGING and ETERNAL qualities. He is limitless, immaterial, undying, and never shared his glory. Did jesus die? There goes undying, you're gonna say "well he only tasted death, he came back!" Who gives a shit, God can't even taste death period. Did jesus have a body? Yup, so there goes immaterial and limitless because if you can point at someone or something and say "that's God!" BOOM that ain't God, you can't ever pin point God and say that's him, it's contrary to his inherent qualities. Jesus "grew in wisdom" God knows all and is UNCHANGING. Case closed idolaters. JESUS AIN'T GOD. Repent.

>prove to me that faith is real
>doesn't have faith

Lmao

With God, ALL things are possible, this is what you think, God can do whatever he wants, he decides the rules. God expressed Himself in the material world to save us from ourselves, by becoming the ultimate sacrifice.

DEAD
KIKE
ON A STICK

>believe in this skydaddy with no proof

God never died, even if he never reincarnated as Jesus and stayed dead in the material world he never went anywhere.

OF COURSE GOD CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS DIPSHIT. Listen. Closely. His INHERENT NATURE prevents certain things. Could God lie?!?! Of course. Would he? NO. could God rape everyone on earth with a gigantic cock.sure! Would he? NO. Could God die?!? NO. The moment Something differs from his inherent qualities it is no longer God period of course he could have become a man but that would be contrary to his nature and therefore he would not and could not do it case closed keep worshiping your pagan idol and your blood sacrifice you'll see where that gets you in the end.

I hate debating religioncucks because it always feels like i talk to a wall.

You've never made a claim worth making a counter argument for. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and you just post some Christian rhetoric and the cry when i don't take it serious. Also good ad hominems, really makes me take you seriously.

You claim that god created the universe without some evidence backing that up. You expect me to believe your argument just because you think it's true?

Omnipotence is having unlimited(Infinite) power, but infinite itself isn't omnipotent.

Have never had a good reason to have faith. If there was some being that actually gave me a sign, then that would help tremendously.
>But your faith isn't real if you need proof for it!
Then you can make the religion argument for everything in the world.

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Plenty of "proof" was posted, which you never addressed or refuted.

where?

I don't know if you're Jewish my man, but I'm not going to stone you for it. Believing in a strictly Unitarian God, is limiting GOD. GOD is the greatest possible being, and limiting Him to unipersonality limits Him. GOD is beyond us, He is multipersonal. The Bible says GOD is love. If God is strictly one, then how can He be love? Love requires a relationship. With the Trinity, this is possible. GOD the Father was in an eternal loving relationship with the Son and the Spirit from infinity. He did not need to create us to experience love since, He IS love and has experienced love eternally.

Also, the Old Testament gives God multi-personhood. In Genesis God said, Let us make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness. The word used here for God is Elohim, which is plural for El (God). When Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed, THE LORD (YHWH) visited Abraham in human form. This was the preincarnate Christ. And when He went down to the two cities, it is written that THE LORD (YHWH) called down fire from THE LORD. There are two YHWHs mentioned here. The Preincarnate Christ waking amongst creation, and the YHWH in the immaterial Heavens who sent fire down in response to THE LORD on earth.

nothing makes jews SEETHE with rage and anger more than jesus christ, who absolutely OBLITERATED judaism

stay mad that you're no longer God's chosen people

>worshipping a stick

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Learn Hebrew buddy. Learn Hebrew. Don't come at me with your Genesis plural bullshit. I'm not limiting God, YOU ARE. You're trying to box in the eternal limitless God into a flesh and blood limited body. Listen closely, you're being lied to, you're indoctrination blinds you. If you understood Hebrew you would understand that all The Times the Christian English translation has God visiting people in any form it is either an angel or the presence of the Lord which is not God coming down in any form merely an extension of him. You could argue that Jesus was an extension of God, but by that logic so are you and I. Should I bow down and worship you as God? Should you worship me because I am an extension of God? Absolutely not worship the father alone and repent pagan.

>Omnipotence is having unlimited(Infinite) power, but infinite itself isn't omnipotent.

Infinite is omnipotent, you said it yourself. There can be only one infinite thing that exists, and it is God.

>You claim that god created the universe without some evidence backing that up. You expect me to believe your argument just because you think it's true?

I posted plenty of good reasons why I believe God is responsible for the creation of the universe, I did not just say: "God is real and no, I'm not going to tell you why I think so".

It would be impossible for a chain of events to occur without God, because continuity has to be infinite and infinity is God. If infinity is not God, then you have a bizarre reality where everything is infinite but is not God.

Did your father cum in your butthole every Sunday like a good lord and savior?

I remember back in the day anyone who talked about god or Christ on this website would get attacked profusely. Now I see threads about god and Christ everyday. Feels great mang

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Jesus bled

Naw man, I ain't Christian. That's more of a Christian thing.

Jew, always distorting things to fit his own twisted narrative. Jesus is God. God cannot die even if he "dies" in the world, if it was possible for God to die then nothing would exist.

We're still attacked

Bro i used to be like you, i was so caught up in wether or not god existed. Thing is having faith isn't about if some nigga in the clouds exists or not it's literally 100% about belief. I'm sure you are aware of how powerful the placebo effect can be, so think of it this way. If someone says god helped them do something then it doesn't matter if god is real or not, their faith in god helped them do something that is tangible in the physical realm. You should find something to hold onto as a higher power. It doesn't have to be god, it can be honor, a family member, or even just yourself, either way having faith can help you feel as though you have a purpose and the stresses of life aren't for nothing. It's hard to accept that some people actually believe there is some omnipotent dude in the sky but realize that religion in itself isn't a bad thing just because it's majorly flawed.

It never says in the Bible that Jesus is god.
Maybe you’re reading some translation...

Oh nononono

Jesus truly died user. God didn't die as the Father and the Holy Ghost still lived, but Christ truly did die.

And the Jewish thing is to be a devil-worshipping lying pedophilic genital-mutilating neurotic rat

My dude, you're ironically limiting God by saying He cannot become a man. The LORD (YHWH) walked in the garden of Eden, you have to be physical and have legs to be able to walk. The physical being appeared before Joshua and accepted his worship and even told him to remove his sandals, just like YHWH commanded Moses to in the burning bush (another physical manifestation of YHWH. YHWH in the flesh visited Abraham. You're limiting what GOD can do, Jew-bro.

And to say Jesus died is kinda ironic, because He didn't. He's still alive. He lives, and that's the whole point of Christianity. Jesus said He would raise Himself. How can the dead raise the dead? They can't. You cannot kill God. Jesus, being a physical being, can die, but His Godhood is immortal, which is how He raised Himself from the dead.

If you're playing a game and your character dies, does that mean you die in real life?