im saving up good money to fix my looks. even if I may not go out as much society still discriminates against me for not fitting into the standards of beauty. im constantly reminded that people who fit outside these beauty standards are undeserving of basic respect and only here to be mocked, insulted and humiliated. Girls compete with other girls, guys compare girls looks with other girls. Its all a never ending cycle that no one can stop. The only change you can do is to yourself. No ones mind is going to be changed when it comes to this kind stuff. The prettier you are the more that you receive positive reinforcement and the more you can get away with things, the uglier you are the more you receive negative reinforcement, and no one cares what a thing you have to say in the world.
Femcel thread
Want to get it done faster? How about a trade. I'll pay for your procedures in exchange for you being my sex slave for a month.
>tfw friendless khv neet with no work experience
Don't give a shit about relationships I need a fucking job NOW that isn't prostitution
Chad still wont fuck you tho.
Anyone who wants cosmetic surgery isn't stable enough for me to pursue.
I understand how you feel.
What are you planning to spend money to fix?
Whatever you do, I hope it brings you some happiness.
Just lose weight, get fit and lower your standards.
No need for surgery.
Wazzup sluts
Posts like these always strike me as tragic. No one thought this way a matter of decades ago, except movie stars I guess. Have we really become so utterly shallow in such a short span of time? Is there no place left where you can be judged for who you are as a person and not just how you look? I feel like that would be more true in a small town, but I have no idea. Part of me always wants to protest that no, there must be a better way, and yet I can offer nothing. All I say is that you're buying into a losing game: even when you win you're still left with nothing, still hollow. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.
Finally some Femcel threads. We deserve a voice in this board. Robots need to stop acting like all women are all roasties and recognize that we Femcel's suffering is very comparable to theirs.
I wish I could make you feel loved and valued.
You should learn to put on makeup.
Are you overweight?
Change your diet, you don't need to fix yourself with surgery.
I grew up without any girl friends to do girly shit with and just learned on youtube how to do it. It really does make a big difference, even if just to yourself.
Why are you so worried what anyone else thinks anyway?
good advice right here. you can do it OP
I finally have the money but I will be broke if I do it and Im scared
fug please tell me to do it OP
No makeup can hide my crooked bulbous nose and asymetric face.
Surgery is pretty comfy tho. No problem with it.
I really hope everything turns out okay for you.
im in the same position as op. Ive been working so hard to save up but i feel broken because I had to quit my job recently because it was giving me health problems. I feel like shit because im not getting any younger and I see these stupid streaming whores who will get thousands instantly, and I get sickly jealous. I would be so pretty if I could just tweak some things on my hideous face. I would be able to leave the house and have interests and live my life without so much stress. I would happily be someones personal whore or companion for enough money to fix my looks.
whats bad about your looks? what are you looking to get done?
i feel exactly like you this hurt me to read but i still have my job. do i do it user?
>I would happily be someones personal whore or companion for enough money to fix my looks.
Would you stay with me afterwards, or would you go off to find Chad?
I say go for it girl
yes I would stay with you
Even in robot soc, females are oppressed kekkek
So what about your face do you want to change?
>Would you stay with me afterwards, or would you go off to find Chad?
Don't kid yourself. Why do you think she wants plastic surgery?
my forehead, my nose and my lips.
>Don't kid yourself.
That's the only thing that keeps me going, user.
It's the thing that will bring you down, too, if you act on it.
I dont even go after the chad type. If a nice guy were to support me in that way and gave me the money to change my looks, he would be special to me and I would feel more confident because of what I think despite what others think. And if he loved me and I make him happy I would stay with him because he would deserve it. I want to experience love.
>if you act on it
If I was a person who acted on things I wouldn't be in my current situation.
Of course you think that now. This is what every fat girl thinks before she finds a guy who helps her lose weight. Then suddenly she looks around and finds herself in a whole new world and as a whole new person, with which that nice guy who helped her out simply doesn't fit in.
>I want to experience love.
What country do you live in?
Not every girl is the same. I think im much harsher on myself than I would be to said nice guy, but with good reason. I like the idea of having a boyfriend that accepts me but also helps me reach my goal and stays with me knowing both sides of me. The whole thing would be a bonding experience for me and since im a sentimental person I wouldnt want to just throw that away. I value loyalty and intimacy. And for the record in not even fat.
The united states. Im a virgin and would probably cling onto the first guy to love me and take my virginity.
OP I struggled with making any changes, afraid of the ridicule for doing something and the male attention I assumed I'd get after and not having the skills to recognize who liked me for me or for the package.
So at 18 I had two paths. Go all in and tattoo and pierce to a point of no return and isolating myself from most or go more main stream, which by the way, is WAY harder.
What helped was going away from home to university and no one could compare the me to the rebirthed me. Well, it didn't take much. I lost 5 lbs, thankfully off my hips and thighs, changed my hair style and color (a little), applied tasteful make up and OH GOD, guys were all over me, professors called on me when I raised my hand in class, I didn't get shuffled back in any queue and I never had to buy a drink again. I felt guilt for like one minute. I did all that for $500 dollars and didn't have to go under the knife.
Do the little things you can control first OP, you'll see.
Well why do you even want to alter your face if you've found someone who accepts you for who you are? What kind of warped goal is that? You want to change yourself to find acceptance even though you've already got it?
What state? How much would it cost to get what you're looking for?
because then I would be able to accept myself. I would be comfortable with being shown off by whoever because I finally fit my own standard and dont have to worry about doubting myself just because I dont like how I look. And I would feel like hes more deserving since im objectively hotter to show off even if thats not the case.
Illinois. Like $7000
Why do you set this standard for yourself? Why refuse to accept yourself? Why do you need anyone else's shallow approval before you can love yourself?
Nose job 10k please
Makeup actually can hide a nose, it's called a contour fag
femcels do not exist. "femcel" is a portmanteau of "female" and "incel" and "incel" is a portmanteau of "involuntary" and "celibate"
If you have sex you are not celibate.
if you choose not to have sex. it is not involuntary
females can be robots, it is EXTREMELY rare however. I've only met one. but they can not by definition, be incels.
Just going to cut to the chase since I'm about to go to bed: nothing you do to yourself is going to fill this void of insecurity and self-rejection inside you. You can't solve it with surgery, nor with a boyfriend. You've got to figure out how to accept yourself for who you are: if you don't, you'll never be enough.
Are you implying that there are no women who are ugly enough that they never received any male attention?
Yes. there is a common meme on Jow Forums about the one chick with the deformed face begging anyone for a boyfriend saying that she didn't care what he looked like or how much money he made. she just wanted to be loved. and she was IMMEDIATELY flooded by replies from hundreds of people asking her out. IIRC she got married somewhat recently, think it was ~2016
are you interested at all?
I however have a question for you.
Do you think that there are no men who are ugly enough that they never received any female attention.
>femcel
have you tried tinder yet? pretty sure you could get dick anytime you wanted, otherwise you're too picky, even Chads have standards
So she went looking for a boyfriend.
You can be a femcel if you don't proactively look for a boyfriend and are not pretty enough to attract one without trying.
Which is a possibility.
>Do you think that there are no men who are ugly enough that they never received any female attention.
Yes, absolutely. Often it has nothing to do with looks, either (same as for girls).
>Boohoohoo why won't chad pay attention to me? ;,(
Holy fuck I wish female suicide was more common.
I dont think you guys understand. We want surgery because we want to be on top. We want to be better than the next girl and most of us want a guy thats loyal and not some fuckboy on tinder or some player that flocks to every girl that says shes a female but then has 5 other girlfriends. Yes there are loyal guys but they are hard to find. And even when we get a genuine boyfriend that rreats us well, he still will wont only have eyes for us. And that hurts. So to feel better we want to be 10/10 model tier so at least when he checks out other girls we can feel secure in ourselves knowing we are better on the outside. Because you cant tell at a glance if they are better on the inside.
We can get sex whenever we want because guys are desperate and will go for anyone. We dont crave sex as much as guys do. We would rather feel special and superior since we will never be good enough to be a guys only desire.
that is voluntary. you are CHOOSING not to look for a boyfriend.
If a guy CHOOSES. to not look for a girlfriend it is also voluntary.
If you walked into a library and asked the nerdiest guy you saw if he wanted to go out (assuming neither of you went full spaghetti) he would probably agree
If a guy did that to the nerdiest girl in the library, he would at least be rejected, and at worst wind up fucking arrested or some shit.
and guess what. I would still tell that guy he isn't an incel if he didn't try.
>Yes, absolutely. Often it has nothing to do with looks, either (same as for girls).
find me one story of a very ugly man. who is not rich nor was rich, who generally didn't have anything going for him. that got married to a pretty girl.
one.
>We want surgery because we want to be on top
No bitch, you want surgery because you want chad on top of you. I know you're a typical hole and you have significantly fewer synapses than men, but at least TRY for a little self awareness and introspection.
I mean, there are infinite loopholes in this voluntary/involuntary thing. If you don't ask out every girl you see (even those you don't like), you're voluntary celibate. Or if you can afford a prostitute and don't use it, you're voluntary celibate.
I got rejected/ignored many times myself.
>find me one story of a very ugly man. who is not rich nor was rich, who generally didn't have anything going for him. that got married to a pretty girl.
Why does it have a pretty girl and it can't be an ugly woman?
You're a volcel if you only want to date hot chicks.
nice larp I bet pretending to be a girl makes your boiclit throb
I'm going to marry nyan-chan someday
I'm not saying you have to ask out every girl you see. All I'm asking is more than none. we could argue semantics all day to find some kind of ask/time ratio that suits us but that would be really annoying and pointless. so for the sake of argument. I refer to more than 0 and only more than 0.
>Or if you can afford a prostitute and don't use it, you're voluntary celibate.
I actually hate that fucking concept and consider it extremely... low effort and thoughtless. they are attributing sexual release with love. it is literally the same as saying that masturbating means you aren't an incel. it is literally two different subjects.
>Why does it have a pretty girl and it can't be an ugly woman?
>You're a volcel if you only want to date hot chicks.
Fair. totally fair and I will remove that requirement.
He would agree because he wants to test the waters. Test every water he can. Guys are opportuinistic and will do anything for some quick pussy, not caring about how their actions and their number count could hurt their future wife. But it makes sense because guys need to cum i guess. If guys werent such visual creatures girls wouldnt adapt to be like this. I have seen ugly fat guys with pretty skinny girls many times including myself. Not because the girl is a gold digger but because she likes his personality.
I had a "loser" boyfriend who was a good person. And many people have said im geogous and dont know how we were together. I was loyal to him and there was jealousy from both sides for different reasons. He was worried because he had been hurt before. I was worried because his wandering eyes made me feel not good enough. And we ended up ending it because he had to sort out his paranoia. And here I am 3 years later not chasing after chad or anyone because I feel fulfilled I had a good relationship at one point. I never rode the cock carousel but it still feels good knowing im wanted or was wanted.
I saw him first fuckboy, his bucci is mine.
Nope. Surgery is cope for not having confidence and for guys being shit. I hope my post opens someones eyes. If you want pussy then it really is best to hire a prostitute. If you cant fully commit to a girl physically and mentally then you dont deserve a girlfriend.
One day ill get surgery and ill make a greatful 3/10 guy feel very lucky and even worship me. I will look like a barbie doll and feel fulfilled that someone admires me so much and cant beleive I exist.
>He would agree because he wants to test the waters. Test every water he can. Guys are opportuinistic and will do anything for some quick pussy, not caring about how their actions and their number count could hurt their future wife. But it makes sense because guys need to cum i guess. If guys werent such visual creatures girls wouldnt adapt to be like this.
You are literally retarded. just like the guys that say all women are naturally evil. are literally retarded. I see this stupid shit parroted here and at crystal cafe all the time and you're all just fucking retarded.
Can everyone please just fucking come together, realize that both groups were being retards, and that neither genders are psychopathic emotionless monsters that only care about fucking as many people and being as cruel as possible?
Tons of women ask guys out and get rejected. I did, more than once, and got rejected. I didn't e beg for a boyfriend, that for sure. But I asked a few friends out and got rejected.
I was a "femcel" for a while, according to your definition.
>it is literally the same as saying that masturbating means you aren't an incel.
Celibacy is about being sexually abstinent. You can fix that by, well, having sex with a prostitute. I don't think it makes you feel less lonely, or solves the problem of not being loved.
There are plenty of examples online about ugly men marrying ugly or even pretty women.
Are you in Chicago too? This arrangement could work for me.
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Being rejecting as a girl is not the same. There's still hundreds of guys who will fuck you you just have to ask. Meanwhile I have to try harder then basically every guy shes ever met just to get rejected and spend another 5 months finding another girl
>tfw this has been my dream gf for a long time
l-london?
>a hole
>lecturing a man
>about committment
Fucking pottery.
Also, you're fucking retarded. Confidence and security in oneself isn't something you can just buy. You lack self esteem because you're a shitty, rotten person and no matter how much you use cosmetic surgery to improve your appearance, you will always be that exact same shitty, rotten person.
> we could argue semantics all day to find some kind of ask/time ratio that suits us but that would be really annoying and pointless. so for the sake of argument. I refer to more than 0 and only more than 0.
>but only if you're a man, if you're a woman it has to be ALL men you see
no not london unfortunately but maybe it can work out long distance...discord?
>But I asked a few friends out and got rejected.
What reason did they give? I would put ten bucks down right fucking now that the most common was "I already have a girlfriend" and second was "I'm not looking for a girlfriend right now." both are completely valid reasons for rejecting a person regardless of how they look or behave, or hell literally any and all qualities about them. now, if you know at the time without a doubt they''re fucking lieing, and you had some form of proof? then aight, fair game.
>Celibacy is about being sexually abstinent. You can fix that by, well, having sex with a prostitute. I don't think it makes you feel less lonely, or solves the problem of not being loved.
Incel is a misnomer of a sort in which people say sex and mean love. it is a very common mistake that people make. at the very least I know that I couldn't give less of a fuck about well, fucking. because I know that meaningless sex will accomplish literally nothing
>There are plenty of examples online about ugly men marrying ugly or even pretty women.
and how many of them are gold diggers? how many of them are doing it for their own selfish reasons?
On a completely unrelated note, My discords Sovietkitty #7708 I've honestly enjoyed this debate so far, and was wondering if you would like to speak more on other subjects. I'm not going to go all beta orbiter on you or anything, as I stated earlier. pretty much 0 interest in a sexual relationship especially not for random people on the internet.
Fuck off and die you cum-eating cuckold faggots.
that guy wasn't me
I'm etc
RIP
not either. fucking sleep deprivation's getting to me
I was ugly. They said it politely, but that's the main reason. And it is a completely valid reason, I'm not mad I got rejected. I would have rejected myself too.
>Incel is a misnomer of a sort in which people say sex and mean love.
Some people also might be happy with just getting laid. I wouldn't want casual sex wither, but not everyone is me.
>and how many of them are gold diggers? how many of them are doing it for their own selfish reasons?
We cannot know. How many men marry women for selfish reasons (their looks, the guaranteed amount of sex, the fact that they want children and they're the only one available, etc)? We cannot know.
Some of them might be gold diggers, a lot of them probably aren't.
I'll see if I still have my throwaway logged in somewhere, otherwise I'll make a new one. I enjoyed talking to you too.
>I was ugly. They said it politely, but that's the main reason. And it is a completely valid reason, I'm not mad I got rejected. I would have rejected myself too.
aight. fair, while it isn't a standard I would follow myself it is a valid reason.
>Some people also might be happy with just getting laid. I wouldn't want casual sex wither, but not everyone is me.
once more, fair.
>We cannot know. How many men marry women for selfish reasons (their looks, the guaranteed amount of sex, the fact that they want children and they're the only one available, etc)? We cannot know.
Some of them might be gold diggers, a lot of them probably aren't.
And finally, fair.
It appears you are the winner here and I promise not for naught. you bring up very valid points that I can not rebuke, and I intend on rethinking my position because of it. this was a rather enjoyable experience, one I haven't had in a long time, thank you.
>No one cares about my useless opinion maybe if I repeat it again someone will care
Its really deteriorating when guys say my smile is funny or im funny and I ask why and they say nevermind. When everyone always asks me whats wrong when im in a good mood and its because my face always looks angry and being rejected from jobs as simple as a cashier because of this. Being called ugly directly, even if politely and sugarcoated. Always being cucked even by the shy nice guy that doesnt seem to be a womanizer but always falls for the stupid borderline slut with all the tattoos. Makeup didnt even fix anything and you have to take it off at one point.
All this only fuels my desire to be as far away from the ugly unnattractive label as possible and just be a perfect doll, since my sweet personality hasnt gotten me that far anyway.
It was very enjoyable for me too. I'll make sure I get a throwaway and add you.
Have a good day
>Meet a cute guy at work
>Asks me out on a date
>I sperged out and said i have a bf
That cock could be in my asshole rn if i wasnt so fucking autistic
Not females but truest of the femcels like OP and I. You can toast the roasties in the pic related for all I care. But whenever we mention our problems and compare them to robot suffering we are either called larpers or roasties. Even though we are neither.
It's OK, London was ironic. Discord is in pic related.
and what's your problem exactly? Chad won't didn't fuck you?
surgery just breeds more ugly kids in the future, instead of how its meant to be, with natural selection avoiding unnatractive individuals.
i'd hate to get baited into having kids with someone who is incomprehensibly hideous
>person feels ugly
>gets surgery
>gets partnered up by someone who likes their post surgery appearance
>has kids
>kids get fucked by shit tier genetics
>now kids need surgery and the cycle fucking continues
just date someone besides chad / stacy famalam.
there's also a solid chance you're not nearly as ugly as you think. lose weight, wear makeup and you'll be able to date at least a 5/10. but of course, Only Chad uwu matters
I wish I could go back in time and go full ER on every single Chad and Stacy in my highschool. But I was a blue pilled normie back then and was told everything would change once I begin college. Do you think I want Chad dick?
i dont care nice larp
Why did you ask me if you didn't care? Also is there no possibility I am genuinely female and not a larper. Its always larper or roastie shit with you guys.
Likewise, and once again thank you.
If you didn't only compete for the top 20% of 90s brad pitt lookalikes you could get a boyfriend that would commit to you and treat you well. But no, you lack the awareness to realize that such a guy would inevitably cheat on you with somebody hotter and kick you to the curb.
Not him, so what exactly was the problem? And what kind of guy do you want if not Chad?
RIP lad
You have been muted for 2 seconds, because your comment was not original.
i'm a sad robot :(
and unsurprisingly, this isn't original
I will never have kids so your concern is non-existent
And are you the boyfriend that would commit and treat a gal well? Are you the nice guy?
This about sums up femcel problems, doesn't even want to get paid to have sex.
I just wanna find an ugly fembot and get an apartment with her and wageslave until we both die. Life would be bearable.