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good stuff

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L-left is achievable natty, r-right guys?

Hes been on steroids for a very long time. Here's a still shot from one of his videos from back in 2012. 7 years ago he had those "capped delts" and "popping" traps.

He got on steroids very very early on, around 2010-2011 he makes a huge sudden change from normie lifter looking to having round thick delts/traps.

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At that weight with that amount of muscle, he must be a turbo manlet. Achievable natty.

People know the one on the left is a month later than the one on the right yeah?

All the muscle is still there he is just bloated up and has more body fat due to eating to get that look on purpose, it's really easy to blob up for these "before and after" conjobs to fool people into buying "my special diet" that won't work.

Don't ever post here again, you fucking retarded cunt. You have no fucking clue

Do you seriously need the sauce to get delts like that?
What's the natty limit for delts, then?

eric helms used sarms once iirc, plenty of years ago. he's natty now tho look at this video and you'll see how big of a difference it is from pictures to real life
I used to be really shredded 2 years ago and side pics would make me look jacked while I was actually just really shredded with some muscle

youtu.be/uHlECZMp1nI?t=22

Tren is so awesome, it makes you like superman

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Right up til you die in a sauna

Holy shit. I never thought of that. Wow that makes sense

I see so much to & fro regarding the juice. Now, if you will, indulge me.

If one would prefer not to pin but to go on a mild oral course (with liver and kidney supps) for only marginal gains simply for recovery & a bit of extra volume could they still claim their natty card? Interested to know peoples thoughts on this as the doesage is a lot lower than a proper stacked cycle, but still technically effective. we’ve all seen the anavar oral transformations & weve seen people who want to bust through the “natty limit” for that extra 20-25% fill out. Literally curious to know if any doesage means turning in the natty card or if some folk just blag it

everyone who claims natural is natural...

technically not the case, but watch my forearms over the next 2 months or so. or just look at my ass but we wear clothes so no.

we preach failure of fucking technique and a non fatiguing approach, we drop useless deadlift negs, we were right for that, and this will increase your volume exponentially.

if you don't think it's all under your control, you're a fucking bitch. fuck you, you're utter trash and bleed toxicity on every single level.

and you're making those god damn big d1ck moves in the gym, going hard.... shrugging, not having proper technique later in your rep ranges. you're an idiot. you're being utterly fucked by your own comparison based mindset, and there is no escape. immediate gratification mindset = no gratification

If you use ECA stack or creatine you've turned in your Natty card.

W/e it takes to get the body you want there are no rules to this thing.

>are you still natty if you take roids?
gee, what do you think?

I don't know if he's ever claimed natty, but he said he's not on steroids once. I don't think this physique is possible without them tho, I mean can SARMS get you this??

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Imagine actually trying that hard when you’re just a Manlet and no matter how jacked you are if some dude with decent muscle above 6’ comes around you’re always going to be mogged by them

Eric Kanevsky. Worst part is everyone keeps thinking he's legit.

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That pic is photoshopped as fuck! He looks good, but well withing the realms of natty. Nothing like this pic.

forgot link
youtu.be/4Ee_GnV_MIk

how short is this guy that he looks like that at 180

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I was about to post this, this nigga is like 5'4 lmfao

are you being sarcastic or honest?

theres a few like that at my gym, hilariously obvious that it's a guy who lifts weights and is on the peak of the bulk purposefuly blowing his stomach out in the before pic, and then a quick cut later in the after

Nigga what?

I don’t understand why people lie about taking steroids, anybody who is semi intelligent will know you are lying. I actually have respect for roiders who come out and admit it but obvious roiders who lie lose all my respect.

saved

how fucking retarded are you?

Liability issues

very nice

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People who can spot a roider are a tiny minority. I know people who think that ronnie coleman and arnold are natty. Yes, even people who openly used roids have fans who think they are natty.

My only way of figuring out if someone is juicing is if they haveva shit load if veins and a big gut.
What's the detective philosophy?

Literally everyone making money with fitness

They generally make a living off of selling supplements, programs and sponsorships.
If they come out as roid users, they will lose sponsorships, and no one will want to buy their programs.
Sad state to be in when you are willing to lie to people to make money, but it is what it is. Anything to avoid being a wagecuck.

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checked

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How many days did this take him?

lmao sure buddy. He's a manlet but still juicing

Check these!

Holy fuck that belly button

I legit believed Greg Plitt might be natty because he would give impassioned speeches about how he didn't believe in steroids. Looking back on it, I wonder how he felt about lying his ass off like that. I mean, if he didn't lie, most normies would never understand, but lying constantly like seems like it should be difficult for non psychopaths to do. You can do it but you'll feel shitty about it.

It's different from person to person. If you're a genetic freak, it's possible to get very good delts even if you're natty. Delts and traps are just associated with steroid use because those muscles contain a ton of androgen receptors but a natty bodybuilder could have good muscle in those areas if they train hard and have the genetics.

If you want to see what twenty years of natural bodybuilding training will get you with average guy genetics, look at Robert Cheeke's pics. It's pretty underwhelming, honestly.

And he's got some serious moon face going on there

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plitt was a psychopath dude he tried to outrun a fucking train and died because of it

is this a reference to something? i dont get it

No, sarms will not even get close.

Fuck I already have big traps and delts for a weak ass natty. I know if I pinned I’d be Instagram fake natty tier. It’s so tempting.

Why isn't anyone mentioning that he did gay porn? search gay4pay matt ogus on google

and you're retarded if you think watching gay porn makes you gay. you are gay if you AVOID watching gay porn, it means you're scared of it. and why are you scared of it? hiding something?

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>6'1
>manlet
How fucking retarded are you?

In certain countries, it's illegal to claim you're using steroids.

In Canada: The possession or sale of anabolic steroids without a valid prescription is illegal. Simple possession of illicitly obtained anabolic steroids carries a maximum penalty of one year in prison and a minimum $1,000 fine if this is an individual’s first drug offense. The maximum penalty for trafficking is five years in prison and a fine of $250,000 if this is the individual’s first felony drug offense. If this is the second felony drug offense, the maximum period of imprisonment and the maximum fine both double. While the above listed penalties are for federal offenses, individual states have also implemented fines and penalties for illegal use of anabolic steroids.

Simply admitting you possess the drug can get you arrested, imprisoned, and fined. That's why you don't see many Canadians admitting they're roiding.

ITT

Guys who care about guys who lie from the internet.

based

And law enforcement actually gives a shit about them and will arrest people.

t. guy who lost his gym when the owner and some his staff got caught

That's narcissism, user. There's a well noted correlation between the two as they're two thirds of the dark triad—narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy—but not every narcissist is a psychopath.

ITT: People confused about how muscle works on a manlet frame

Newsflash, manlets have smaller frames but can grow the same amount of muscle as taller people onto their small frames

based schizo poster

Retard. He may be a manlet but that doesn't mean he's not juicing. Jeff Nippard is an example is a manlet with god tier muscle building genetics but still natural. He sometimes looks bigger than Matt Ogus standing side by side but taht's because he has a much higher body fat. When jeff diets down his shoulders lose that round look as well as his traps and chest shrink unlike ogus

Natty manlets:
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>Face pull Jeff
>Jeff nipples
>Frank Yang
>Tyler1

>Guys who claim natural but aren't
who gives shit?

gtfo Jow Forums you newfag

>Roided nobodies online look like GOAT natty bodybuilders.
>lying about how successful they are to get more followers and therefore money

yeah how could that be a bad thing?

They're literally almost exactly the same, Ogus is just slightly leaner and has better shoulders, probably because he used to do tricking and autistically prioritizes shoulder training.

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if you are actually dedicated this kind of physique isn't unreasonable

post body

>homegym master race

guess ill have to check those numbers myself

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someone post that little epic dynasty guy hes not natural

yeah

What about yohimbine? That shit didn’t do anything for me btw

His triceps have abs

that's nothing. check these.

>whaddya think?

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checked
I remember looking through a muscle and fitness thread a few years back and there was this 45 year old guy who openly used 1g test + tren per week who was seriously entertaining the idea that ronnie was natty when he turned pro. Dont under estimate how fucking delusional people can be

It's the male equivalent of:
>i swear my boobs are natural

Keep the numbers rolling, boys.

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Nice

Decent ngl

We must go higher

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For my wife

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get!

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We need more cmon

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ded

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go home you homo

Anyone remember the QT who used to be in his videos, did she go on to do her own thing?

youtube.com/watch?v=IsrSuuxZFMA

now thats gr8

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Yeah I remember her, she did start her own channel around that time she was in Ogus' vids. Dunno if its still around though.

RObert Cheeke is a malnourished vegan with below average genes. Bad example

higher it is

>former gym buddy
>teenager and arms bigger than most adults
>manlet like me
>sweared he was not on roids
>years later his dealer spills the beans he was supplying gym buddy with stuff
Why the lie in the saje of ego, that is not what men do

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Check these digits

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>OFF BY ONE

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