Why is it impossible to maintain a vegan diet?

Clarence is vegan, does he seem unhealthy?

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What negative health consequences do you expect?

This

>These two things are mutually exclusive
Why?

Wow great advice user

Negative wallet and mental health gains, as she buys super vegan ultra pure non-gmo organic pecan milk from Whole Foods for $10 a liter. Also the mental gains from nonstop harassing user to go vegan after he proposes, and trying to force their kids to go vegan from youth.

Maybe you could come to an agreement that you accept her diet choices and she accepts yours?

the issues generally occur because of extreme diets, in rawvanas case she did like a 25 day water fast or some dumb shit, without it being necessary or recommended by anyone. during this time the bacteria from her large intestine relocated and overgrew in her small intestine in order to feed off of her intestinal lining due to starvation. once food was reintroduced a boom of bacteria growth occurred, and because the good bacteria was allowed to die off, the more hardy bad bacteria experienced much larger regrowth and drowned out the good shit. therefore setting a terrible precedent for the rest of her diet regardless of being vegan or not

Literally what? I slam down oreos, potato chips, cornettos, and chocolate all the time. A vegan diet is as healthy as you make it just like any other diet. If I didn't work out I'd be fat as hell

>Over time, however, Freelee and DurianRider’s star power waned. The mainstream media caught wind of—and thoroughly debunked—their extreme diets, and began to pick apart their more controversial statements. (The couple once claimed that more thin people would have survived 9/11 if fat people weren’t blocking the stairwells.)

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do her the favor and leave her faggot

if you can convince her ( and it should be easy ) that meat is needed for optimal health. keep her.

if you really can't maybe you should let her go... I mean, imagine having babies with her on a vegan diet, do you want your kid to be weak and frail? cause thats how you get weak kids.

>thedailybeast.com/vegan-youtube-is-imploding-as-stars-like-rawvana-bonny-rebecca-and-stella-rae-change-diets?via=twitter_page
>psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why
And after all this shit, we STILL have vegan shills on here? Hello?

NO, IT'S NOT HEALTHY OR USEFUL TO BE VEGAN.

> (The couple once claimed that more thin people would have survived 9/11 if fat people weren’t blocking the stairwells.)
LET THEM SPEAK

>let some crazies speak because they feed your autistic fantasies

>meat is needed for optimal health
Citation needed

Source is reality.

> Incredibly healthy
According to the current evidence a vegan diet is often found to be the healthiest (tho sometimes it is in second place to pescetarian) though it has to be well planned, the issue with the increasing rise of veganism is that there's a shit ton of vegan junk food.

[note to triggered ketards and carnies: you may believe your diet to be the healthiest but you have to accept there is not the weight of evidence backing you up that a plant based diet has behind it. You're currently in the land of experimental nutrition and dipping into nutritional conspiracy theories if you're the sort who blames every ill health on carbs and only carbs]

> morally superior
Depends on your morals really.

>let me take this extreme position of 0 animal products and then demand you to prove me wrong

Right, this is why Dr. Esselstyn was able to prove that you can literally reverse heart disease by eating more mea- oh wait, it was done by going on a strict vegan diet. Guess that's an L for you, then.

>Dr. Esselstyn was able to prove
That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Not what I said. He claimed meat is neccessary for your health and I would like to see some evidence for that.

>third google result for dr. esselstyn
theskepticalcardiologist.com/2015/08/04/the-incredibly-bad-science-behind-dr-esselstyns-plant-based-diet/

Enlighten me

Pregnant women need cholesterol. Having a child with a vegan is a poor decision.

The article says fish and oil is good for you, nothing about meat. Probably because meat is not healthy.

He really has two points only:
> It's a difficult diet to stick to
This does not make it a bad tool of treatment if it works. It is still cheaper than the majority of cardiac interventions.This no different from the fatties on my 600lb life complaining about the calorie restriction and dropping out of the programme, or drinkers who refuse to quit.

> They were also put on statins
This occurred a couple years after the study had started. These were patients having frequent cardiac events at a terrifying rate and the diet kept them alive in the interim.

I'm not even going into how Jow Forums is very routinely shits on statins.

There was a follow up study with 198 patients, just fyi

Great idea. And when his kids are malnourished from her diet they can tell them "I'm sorry timmy you're 5'5 but you need to respect the fact mummy ate nothing but carrots while you were in the womb"

You're a fucking omnivore. You have evolved for millions of years to eat meat and vegetables. You can be healthy and a omnivore or unhealthy and a vegan.

And here the result
>Of the 198 patients with CVD, 177 (89%) were adherent. Major cardiac events judged to be recurrent disease totaled
one stroke in the adherent cardiovascular
participants—a recurrent event rate of .6%, signifcantly less than reported by other studies of plant-based nutrition therapy. Thirteen of 21 (62%) nonadherent participants experienced adverse events.

Or you could be vegetarian and make it

> Adventist vegetarian children were taller than their meat-consuming classmates (2.5 and 2.0 cm for boys and girls, respectively). These results did not change materially when adjusting for other food groups. Nor did adjustment for parental height and socioeconomic factors in a sub-sample of 518 children.
> The results indicate that vegetarian children and adolescents on a balanced diet grow at least as tall as children who consume meat.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1855500

Any dietetary extremism is retarded and obviously serves to boosts one's ego rather to increase their life quality. This applies not only to vegans, but also to ketotards and other variations on some end of the spectrum. It's pretty obvious the easiest way to have an optimal nutrition is to drop any major restrictions (save for extremly processed food)

Vegan diets aren't healthy they are fatal. That is the good news - first you go mad.

OK with supplements you can eke out a miserable existence. 90% of vegans give it up, often for health and psychological reasons - a high fraction end up depressed and angry because they are literally starving.

A lot of claimed vegans are actually secretly eating meat.

>a high fraction end up depressed and angry because they are literally starving.
Eat enough calories, problem solved.

Idk, this is just anecdotal, but my mother very rarely cooked meat in my early years, she didn't eat much of it for the last 30 years and I'm taller than both of my parents. I don't know if I have a shorter penis for lack of meat tho. Could be

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation

Inflammatory omega 6 fats and the lack of fat soluble vitamins, spiking insulin constantly along with plants trying to poison you with anti nutrients

Try to persuade her to have an egg or butter, as soon as she sees how great she feels, she'll probably become anti vegan.

>my mum didnt eat much meat and im taller than both my parents therefore eating meat unlocks genes related to height

I confess I do eat egg whites to keep gains.

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Nice memes. Meanwhile vegans and pescetarians are the healthiest and longest living groups in pretty much every study.

post one study about vegans living the longest

> spiking insulin constantly
Only if you eat stuff with a high glycemic index

enjoy the slow starvation while destroying your gut, until you return back to meat and I can say I told you so, also pescatarian isnt vegan.

At that point it becomes a full time job eating.
Might as well be a damn cow

Will one about vegetarians suffice?
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10479227

Most vegans are retarded, that's why.

Assuming you care about the whole "hurr animal exploitation is bad!!!!!" part of veganism, why not just raise your own hen and get your eggs from it? I don't see how it's immoral providing you treat it well.

It's literally impossible because even if you were to eliminate all animal sourced foods, you would deprive yourself of many vital nutrients so your body will began to cannibalizing itself just to survive. Vegans feeling a "positive change" in their body are actually enjoying the feeling of the body consuming it's own flesh.

How is the gut destroyed?

It's really not that hard user.

Because ejaculate isnt vegan

> you would deprive yourself of many vital nutrients so your body will began to cannibalizing itself just to survive
look at this broscience

They are feeling the effects of a fast, that's feeling fades once the fat soluble vitamins run out and they have IBS or crohns from all the antinutrients and sugar.

Second adventist study

There were 2570 deaths among 73 308 participants during a mean follow-up time of 5.79 years. The mortality rate was 6.05 (95% CI, 5.82–6.29) deaths per 1000 person-years. The adjusted hazard ratio (HR) for all-cause mortality in all vegetarians combined vs non-vegetarians was 0.88 (95% CI, 0.80–0.97). The adjusted HR for all-cause mortality in vegans was 0.85 (95% CI, 0.73–1.01); in lacto-ovo–vegetarians, 0.91 (95% CI, 0.82–1.00); in pesco-vegetarians, 0.81 (95% CI, 0.69–0.94); and in semi-vegetarians, 0.92 (95% CI, 0.75–1.13) compared with nonvegetarians. Significant associations with vegetarian diets were detected for cardiovascular mortality, noncardiovascular noncancer mortality, renal mortality, and endocrine mortality. Associations in men were larger and more often significant than were those in women.

>pescatarian isnt vegan
I know? But they avoid meat

Oh boy a single biased study with massive design flaws! Amazing!

This is why noone takes you seriously.

I'm surprised the Jow Forums poster hasn't spammed the thread with his shitty pictures and youtube videos yet.

If you were not a vegan and didnt have an IQ equivalent of the weed you had every night you would know you can stave to death from the absence of nutrients not just calories.

How do people stay vegan for decades then?

Because they are compared to the general population.

Entirely baseless statistics. Compare vegans to people who care about their health and dont eat shit and you save vegans area the same or worse than smart diets.

...what do you think fish is made of, you pendantic lunatic?

See Your insane bias proves your entire belief structure is fake. You will deny deny deny simple facts that dont fit into your mad bias structure against animal products because it hurts your entire identity and ego.

A balanced diet with animal foods is healthier than veganism. Get the fuck over it.

I think it's this guy:
Because of the familiar use of the "starvation" meme being pushed.

He may have changed tactics because we know it's probably Jamie Chaos (former gay pornstar) and even if he isn't he copies and pastes the exact same posts on reddit (pic related)

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please point out said bias and design flaws

I'm also a paid Meat and dairy industry shill you schizo

Fish is technically meat but people usually make a distinction between meat and fish. You would know this if you weren't autistic. Fish is a lot healthier than other meats, especially red meat.

>A balanced diet with animal foods is healthier than veganism
Literally no proof for that statement. You are just making assumptions and think they are worth more than actual studies. The adventists take good care of their health and the vegans among them were the healthiest group.

Did you even look at the studies?

The adventist2 study (from ) adjusted for the following:
> age, gender, race, smoking status, exercise, income, education, marital status, alcohol intake, geographical region, amount of sleep per night

The other study (linked ) adjusted for the following:
> age, gender, smoking, exercise, BMI

> A balanced diet with animal foods is healthier than veganism. Get the fuck over it.
Provide the evidence

Both blogpost news-articles don't have sources

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

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heres why

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lol wikipedia

Don't forget to join our vegan server

discord.gg/TUmjAWP

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I'm a meat eater but fucking lol at this. All of those are destroyed by cooking. All of them.

>I'm a meat eater
Uh huh
>All of them destroyed by cooking
Most vegans spend their time eating raw foods rather then cooked.

Yeah, and they're fucking dumb to do it.

But don't push this anti-omnivore bullshit either with the "vegetables give you anti-nutrients wah wah". If you cook your shit like a normal person then you're fine.

I'm a meat eater as in I'm an omnivore. My dad fell for the anti-nutrients meme and now is a full carnist and of course it's ruining the fuck out of his health.

>If you cook your shit like a normal person then you're fine
most people dont cook onions protein powder, peanuts, spinach, kale, chia seeds etc so no, its not fine

the great thing about wikipedia is the sources are easily available and marked for you incase you think you can debunk them

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The same reason why two out of three Americans are fat: an unhealthy relationship with food and a lack of self-discipline

>she goes omnivore for a proposal
>get married
>back to vegan and threatens you with divorce if you don't also go vegan

Buddy ya gotta think these things through.

Uh huh...
Anyway, the vast majority of the foods vegans eat are fucking raw.
Anything they cook that's vegan is probably processed to holy hell and worse then a single egg or piece of fish.

>don't cook onions
The fuck? Who doesn't cook onions?

Jow Forums autofilters S O Y to onions
actual onions dont have any notable antinutrients