Testeros Maxiumus

androgen receptor affinity and sensitivity
look it up, it's something relevant
get red pilled too on the testosterone level difference between humans and chimps and gorillas, and the fact that humans have far higher ammounts of testosterone in them, and that even so chimps and gorills are muscular and fit whereas most of us are not.
there's more to it than just testosterone levels

Can I get some literature on how to do the semen retention while having sex and about the cold immersion? (I go to the sauna once a week and bathe three times in very cold water for regeneration, which could be enough)

Yeah, it's not for everyone. I did it for about 6 months until I had to leave due to pay issues. My voice even got lower. But it was hell at times to go through. Adrenaline/cortisol dumps, people screaming at you trying to fight. Not for everyone but, the proof is in the pudding.

>androgen receptor affinity and sensitivity

Are you aware of the research that shows that there is only a Test boost on day 7 of no fap, and then it (without ejaculating) drops down to previous levels?

Same at 26, sucks dude. I'm quitting porn for a little while to try and get that sex drive back but there have been a couple instances recently where a girl was all over me and my dick wouldn't budge an inch. Fuckin biology

>Test is produced and stored in the balls,
>you're literally jizzing away testosterone.
THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF BRAINLET NOFAPPERS

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Do all that shit... and you'll still have less testosterone than a guy cruising on 200mg while eating like shit, cumming in his gf every night and getting 5 hours of sleep.

No fap, supps, 8 hours of sleep, optimal diet etc it's all a meme. You won't even feel the difference aside from a placebo effect.

>My voice even got lower.

Probably because you had to talk louder than normal for hours on end.

Also, you had to speak in a way that triggered a sense of authority in others... A deeper voice.

Yes. This book is a good read and absolutely life changing.

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you mean the one study that shows that?
yeah, still has nothing to say about androgen receptor affinity or androgen sensitivity
testosterone levels are basically meaningless, look at the test levels in silverback male adult gorillas and compare it to humans adult males, humans are far higher in testosterone but it doesn't seem to make much of a difference muscle wise in fact we get mogged hard by gorillas .
humans are the only great apes that copulate all year long for whatever reason, maybe there's something to it don't you think?

> every time you ejaculate you're literally jizzing away testosterone

No, not literally.

>Why ejaculate this soup of test and nutrients in the first place? Because it's pleasurable

Mental Well Being.

Reducing the risk of prostate cancer.

Helping your test levels (Studies show that 7 days of abstinence boost tests, but after that it goes back down... So you need to ejaculate again, to get the spike again in 7 days.)

I don't have sex with her. She gets horny sometimes and fending her off and teasing her is fun. I will have sex again after I learn to do it while not jizzing.

It is though.

The only shit that matters in your post is sleeping and not doing drugs. Your body’s hormones aren’t min/maxable like a fucking video game.

This. It's all about the androgen receptors.

Prolactin spikes after orgasm. Prolactin turns off libido, willpower and growth.

>I can't be mentally well without wanking
>believing the prostate cancer lie
>quoting one study, completely missing the fact it comes back up to a higher level later
>thinking no further ahead than 1 week

>you mean the one study that shows that?

Yes.

>yeah, still has nothing to say about androgen receptor affinity or androgen sensitivity

I trust that study over your hypothesis. Which is all your claim is.

You have no study showing that long term semen retention leads to an increase in test.

>humans are the only great apes that copulate all year long for whatever reason, maybe there's something to it don't you think?

No.

By your reasoning;

Gorillas, Chimps and other great apes are jacked.

They eat mainly fruits, veg, and insects...

Something to that don't you think?

Maybe the best bodybuilding diet is fruits, veg and insects?

I would advise googling physiological effects of orgasms. That's what I mean by mental well being.

It's a lie because you don't like the conclusion?

Abstinence spikes test around day 7, then it drops back down to normal levels.

>>lift heavy
>>short, sprint heavy runs
>>absolute semen retention
>>no porn for maximum androgen reception
>>high quality meat and vegetable diet
>>brazil nuts, bananas, broccoli, eggs
>>have sexy gf who walks around naked, slap her ass regularly
>>hang out with other sexy women who mire, touch and flirt with me (gf's family so there is a clear boundary)
>>cold water immersion
>>occasional underequipped camping trips in cold weather (extreme cold and discomfort, requires mental and physical hardness)
>>spend most of time outdoors in sunlight
>>good regular sleep pattern
>>no drugs, just an occasional ale
>>mewing and sleep without pillow for best posture

imagine doing all this and getting testmogged by any random TRT dude

here's the only thing that will meaningfully affect your T levels

>inject test

thats it, stop worrying if you're normal range faggot

Wrong and wrong. It's called having a pair of balls and having enough confidence and backbone in yourself regardless of what others around you are doing. There's a reason why some dudes who go through some serious hell generally have lower voices.

Even the idea of having to force my voice to be lower is some beta boy fag garbage. Miss me with that onions.

On another note, imagine being so chained to your penis and pixels that you have to try and explain your own lack of discipline on the internet. Porn and sexual immorality are never good. You're fooling yourself if you say otherwise. i.e. being able to control one aspect of your life does affect how you control another aspect, it builds confidence. What guy can honestly say he respects himself being a slave to his penis and how he feels. Seriously

OP is just another devilish troll trying to get autists to do stupid shit to raise their test by slowly conditioning them to think it’s normal and real.

>You have no study showing that long term semen retention leads to an increase in test.
That's not my claim, and futhermore I "have" no study showing it and neither do you have any disproving it, because there is none done in humans, only rodents that I know of and yeah absitence does impact androgen receptor density in the brain at least, not sure about other tissues.
karger.com/Article/Abstract/99250

>Maybe the best bodybuilding diet is fruits, veg and insects?
You're obviously joking but you might just be misinformed enough to assume that is not optimal, when it is.
Do you know how much protein gorillas eat? fully grown males eat on a daily basis over 400g a day.
So yeah, a lot of sugar, short chain fatty acid derived from gut fermentation and not to mention sugar from fruit is great for building muscle gee, who knew?

>Prolactin spikes after orgasm. Prolactin turns off libido, willpower and growth.

If you have healthy test, it bounces back pretty quickly.

I hope you're not trying to pretend that 'turn off libido' lasts a long time.

If so, are you unaware of the refractory period?

People have (I'm betting people on Jow Forums regardless of the level of incels) have had sex multiple times in one night, or even sex every day.

Libido doesn't "turn off' for any significant length of time.

>Abstinence spikes test around day 7, then it drops back down to normal levels.
you keep spouting this useless bit shown by one study, when it isn't even being refuted in this thread, there's more to it than just testosterone levels.
anthropogeny.com/Androgens in Human Evolution.htm

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It's not. Stop being a delusional muh ancestry nofapping powers and go read about spermatogenesis and testicular physiology. There is no such thing as testosterone storage, you dumb nofapper.

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>You have no study showing that long term semen retention leads to an increase in test.
Almost no men alive do this. If you want to never find out anything for yourself, stay within the mainstream consensus, and only try anything once it's 100% verified by scientific authority, that's fine by me. But quoting a study that tracks testosterone over less than a month, and saying that disproves any possible benefits over years, is retarded.

Christianity, Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Yoga, Jainism, Islam and Judaism all recommend celibacy for male health and spiritual power (which means things like confidence and willpower). That is enough for me to give it some serious consideration.

I posted a book written on the subject by a scientist who is also a Taoist Kung Fu master. I'm not going to spoon feed or justify my knowledge or decisions to you. Do your own research. Typical scientism fools will dismiss anything not already in the mainstream. Is that how you think progress is made?

>er note, imagine being so chained to your penis and pixels that you have to try and explain your own lack of discipline on the internet. Porn and sexual immorality are never good.

I don't know why guys like you automatically think that fapping = porn use.

I don't use porn, and not once have I said to use porn.

I also don't know what you mean by 'sexual immortality', I've never advocated promiscuity.

If you think that masturbation is 'sexual immorality' then OK, difference of opinion.

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The absolute cope of steroid abusing druggies

Shave your hair you longed haired faggot

anti nofap shills ITT getting absolutely BTFO

No it's too good to shave.

>That's not my claim, and futhermore I "have" no study showing it and neither do you have any disproving it,

I already said that your claim is just a hypothesis, which means that it hasn't been tested.

>ly rodents that I know of and yeah absitence does impact androgen receptor density in the brain at least, not sure about other tissues.

Only in the brain, and only in rodents then.

So it is just a hypothesis. Please be honest with people, and let them know it's a hypothesis in future.

>You're obviously joking but you might just be misinformed enough to assume that is not optimal, when it is.
Do you know how much protein gorillas eat? fully grown males eat on a daily basis over 400g a day.

They eat mainly protein from plants,

Plant based protein can't give humans a complete protein diet, nor necessary vitamins (which is why vegans need to supplement).

Worse yet you'd be fapping to something in your imagination. How are you going to be able to control your thoughts when you're masturbating to them?

>12kb

> If you want to never find out anything for yourself, stay within the mainstream consensus, and only try anything once it's 100% verified by scientific authority,

I never said that.

What I am asking is that you be honest with people that what you are stating is not backed up by science, and to stop throwing in scientific terms (seemingly to use people's confidence in science to give your ideas more credibility).

I'm a Christian, I don't believe in scientism. I do believe in honesty.

>all recommend celibacy for male health

Christinaity, Judaism, and Buddhism don't recommend celibacy for health, they recommend it for spiritual reasons if people are naturally inclined to it.

Otherwise they recommend that people get married.

People used to marry young in the past (look at the age of Mary).

Nowadays we have people being incels or not marrying until their late 20s or early 30s. Completely different social reality.

Fuck trolls.

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> How are you going to be able to control your thoughts when you're masturbating to them?

Consciously visualizing something over a long period of time, is thought control.

Making sure that my fantasy is based in passion and affection, and not domination or objectification (like is common in the mainstream media), is also thought control.

>I already said that your claim is just a hypothesis, which means that it hasn't been tested.
it has been tested in non humans, so it has merit
and yeah I already know what you said, it's just really stupid to be honest to say such a thing on a thread about NOFAP and doing unconventional things that are outside of the norm.
>Only in the brain, and only in rodents then.
yeah, that's what I said
they only looked for androgen receptor density changes in the brain
also check how the testosterone levels didn't really change, but the ARd did, really makes you think does it not?
>They eat mainly protein from plants,
yeah, check the amino acid composition of undomesticated plants, it's surprisingly high
that and they're able to get lots of other amino acids that aren't in the protein itself but in non protein nitrogen from the plants they eat(you can google this easily), thus they're getting a shitload of amino acids in their diet, alongside sugar and fats.
That's pretty damn optimal for building muscle.
Not gonna respond to any other useless irrelevant statement you make because it is meaningless, you're the one that mentioned their diet, since you seem to be misinformed about it or wanted to make a joke about how it's not optimal for building muscle, when it is, for them.

some weapons-grade autism in here. good thread OP

>it has been tested in non humans, so it has merit

n Non humans. For the brain, not other tissues (like you admit).

Testosterone is produce in the testes, not the brain. So, how is that study relevant?

>Not gonna respond to any other useless irrelevant statement you make because it is meaningless, you're the one that mentioned their diet, since you seem to be misinformed about it or wanted to make a joke about how it's not optimal for building muscle, when it is, for them.

I'll have to look into it, but I think you're misinformed that the Raw Vegan Diet (which is basically what they are eating) is optimal for muscle growth.

there is no studies in humans but there is in rodents and they show it is true in them
>for the brain
they only looked at various sections of the brain no other tissues, but there is literally 0 reasoning for other tissues to not be affected, just like androgen and estrogen receptors in skeletal muscle and the brain are also affected by both testosterone, DHT, estrone, estradiol, isoflavones, lignans.
You can't really isolate specific tissues.
>Testosterone is produce in the testes, not the brain. So, how is that study relevant?
This is not concerning the production of testosterone, you're missing the point again or you're just being obtsue.
Your muscles get more sensitive to the testosterone you naturally normally produce the more androgen receptors you have.

>but I think you're misinformed that the Raw Vegan Diet
I didn't even mention a raw or a vegan diet, gorillas aren't vegan since they eat insects, I think you're just projecting some garbage onto me for no reason that I can think of.
But it stands true that gorillas eat a fuckton of protein in the wild and captivity, they eat sugar and they eat trace fats in the plants they eat(which is a ton of them) and not to mention their guts are able to derive a good ammount of energy from gut fermentation unlike us, but it doesn't matter because I didn't even mention their diet you're the one who did, for no reason other than trying to mock me.
But yeah, they eat a fuckton of protein and they get lots of calories in general, that's pretty damn anabolic.

Look up some studies dude. You sound like an absolute retard. It is not at all nutrient dense. You can replace everything lost 100 times over by eating a small meal. Studies have been done on males that masturbate and don't and there was no difference.

Stop doing all that useless crap
Be honest about what you want
Pin 250mg of test

No fap causes test to rise for 7 days, then it drops back to normal levels

>it's just really stupid to be honest to say such a thing on a thread about NOFAP

>This is not concerning the production of testosterone

This is a thread about maximizing testosterone.

It's literally in the title.

>didn't even mention a raw or a vegan diet, gorillas aren't vegan since they eat insects,

I meant to write... a "Near" raw vegan diet.

>not backed up by science
Nor is it disproved. There are no long term scientific studies. Who do you expect the science to eventually be done on, if not pioneers? Using scientific terminology is not the same as claiming it is backed by scientific consensus. Using what we do know, the best evidence we do have being the testimonies of hundreds of Yogic, Tantric and Taoist masters over millennia, plus simple logic of sperm being high in cost for the body to produce and thus beneficial not to regularly waste over the long term, is enough to suspect there are real benefits to semen retention.

>I do believe in honesty
>conveniently ignoring all the other religions I mentioned with billions of adherents, and cherry picking the ones which don't explicitly recommend it for health
>defining spiritual health as different from health
Yeah, you're so honest. Celibacy being beneficial is one of the key agreements between all the most ancient religions, and explicitly recommended for health by many of the biggest and oldest ones. Bad advice doesn't get passed down for 6000 years.

Social reality is irrelevant to what is biologically healthy.

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Post a study that tracks this for more than one month.

Not that guy but why would you strictly exlude spiritual health from health in general.

>Brahmacharya

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Being this autistic permanently lowers ur test by 100%

yes just take roids and dont take care of yourself

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>Nor is it disproved.

That's the nature of hypothesis, like I've said for the second time.

It's neither supported by, nor refuted by evidence.

>Yogic, Tantric and Taoist masters over millennia, plus simple logic of sperm being high in cost for the body to produce and thus beneficial not to regularly waste over the long term, is enough to suspect there are real benefits to semen retention.

Christian, Muslims and Jews have warned against Yogic, Tantric, and Taoist practices over millennia...

Is that not enough to suspect that there are real dangers to their practices?

>Social reality is irrelevant to what is biologically healthy.

Please posts (respected) Christian, Jewish and Buddhist scholars stating that celibacy improves biological health.

Try to get off this retarded site from time to time and dont take this shit so serious
Also have fun getting cucked you low test brainlet

>>occasional ale
Not gonna make it you homer simpson looking fuckface.

>Not that guy but why would you strictly exlude spiritual health from health in general.

I don't.

In the post you are replying to, I said that it's recommend for people who are naturally inclined to it (in Catholicism it's called one's vocation).

Life long celibacy was very rare. The majority of people used to get married young (like I said, look at the age of Mary).

The idea that enmasse, people need to live like monks and nuns until they get married, wasn't necessarily the reality they were referring to.

"Keep celibate" to guys who would often be getting married by mid to late teens (e.g. Puberty was considered 'becoming a man' and menarche was considered 'becoming a woman'), is understandable.

Applying that same concept in the age of incels, and people getting married in their late 20s and 30s... Sound unrealistic.

(Again, I'm not recommending people have sex before marriage, or masturbate. I think everyone needs to make up their own mind, and live in accordance with their conscience. I am saying that social context matters)

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>It's not supported by evidence
What the fuck do you think evidence is? Is tens of thousands of monks, over vast geographical isolation, testing something over more than 6000 years and all coming to the same conclusions (it works) and passing it down (because they have found it works) worth nothing? How do you explain this consensus? Are they all just idiots? Are western scientists somehow inherently the only people capable of testing things and coming to valid conclusions? Just because they didn't have the same scientific method, doesn't mean they weren't capable of reason and noticing patterns.

No religion has ever warned against celibacy you idiot. They all at least say it is spiritually good. And half of them say it is biologically good.

You are clearly trying to rationalise a pre-held position, which is why you are arguing so dishonestly.

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I'm not saying that, retard. Just that all of OP's autistic min-maxing his test levels will result in a minimal increase he won't even feel and it will definitely not give him the results he's looking for.

That study was from China and with a small sample size. Both of those factors make me not take it as the final truth of anything.

>What the fuck do you think evidence is?

You are presenting anecdotal evidence, whilst simultaneously talking about 'biological science'.

Science is not based on anecdotal evidence.

Also, different spiritual systems conflict.

As Christianity, Islam and Judasim warns against following Brahman, like you posted in the image.

>How do you explain this consHow do you explain this consensus?

I think you are cherry picking amongst spiritual traditions, to find that consensus.

Can you post Chrisitian, Muslim and Jewish sources that state the same thing posted in the pic?

>No religion has ever warned against celibacy you idiot.

In Judaism, Early Christianity and Islam, boys and girls become men and women when they hit puberty.

They used to get married by their mid to late 20s.

So they taŭght them to be celibate for, what? 6 years max on average?

Based on the average age of marriage these days,

(Approx 30 in the US and Canada)... That is a significantly different space of time.

They were telling people to be celibate whilst still in puberty, not post puberty. Different biological reality.

>They used to get married by their mid to late 20s.

CORRECTION TO MY OWN POST...

I meant to write they got married in their mid to late TEENS, not mid to late 20s.

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read this

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>gf's family so there is a clear boundary

Make sure you consume lots of onions and garlic, to get your blood pumping

I am not talking about trying to prove anything to the whole world and looking for scientific consensus. My argument is that there is enough evidence and literature to make semen retention worth looking into for an individual Jow Forumsizen. The nature of man is to seek obscure knowledge and to take risks that might give him an advantage in life.

What is your motive for continuing to nitpick? What is your actual argument here? Modern science doesn't tell us to try celibacy, therefore don't try it?

As already covered, science cannot have a valid opinion on it because there are no long term studies.

>lust is a deadly sin (there's your Christian source)
>all religions preach sexual restraint
>all religions say masturbation is harmful
>the oldest religions say celibacy is beneficial
>many athletes practice semen retention before competitions
>ejaculating semen costs the body nutrients and energy (regardless of how small an amount, a cost is a cost)
>dude there's no evidence
>just do what you want lol

Prove to me it's beneficial and I will wank. The burden of proof is on the people claiming ejecting the seed many times a month is beneficial in any way. If there's even a slight cost, spiritual or physical, why would you do it for any other reason than you are a slave to lust?

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Been to Mantak Chia's trainings in Thailand. Very, very interesting and life-changing models and practices. However, I don't agree with everything in Taoist belief practices. Yet, I agree with him on re-circulation of breath and energy. He's diagnose me with Greater Kan and Li. Live in your glans, bros.

>What is your motive for continuing to nitpick?

This thread is about maximizing testosterone.

There's no evidence that abstaining from ejaculation helps increase testosterone production.

None of what you wrote regaring Christianity using, mirrors what was written in by the Braham. Again, that's why I say you are cherry picking when you say that all religions state that the same thing about semen retention.

Again though, this thread is about testosterone maximization.

>The burden of proof is on the people claiming ejecting the seed many times a month is beneficial in any way

No, the burden of proof is on you, becaŭse you put semen retention under things that boost testosterone production.

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CORRECTION TO MY OWN POST...

There's no evidence that abstaining from ejaculation helps increase testosterone production, LONG TERM.

>maximise my sperm count and test? I want to push the limits of known masculine sexual energy

>doesn't answer what his motivation or argument actually is
>continues to make roundabout arguments

This thread is not solely about testosterone. As science doesn't know either way, the default position is not that jizzing 5 times a week is good for you. With the lack of scientific data, we look at unscientific sources and basic logic, and lo and behold, they all agree that overall, lust and/or ejaculation are detrimental. They don't have to agree word for word, the overall message is similar.

Thus the default position based on balance of probability would be caution at the very least, and reading the sources about cultivating sexual energy.

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I literally just told you what my motivation is.

I call out BS, when I see it.

>This thread is not solely about testosterone

OK...

Regarding Sperm Health:

Regular ejaculation keeps your sperm healthiest, according to some research.

researchgate.net/publication/246410641_Frequent_ejaculation_A_pilot_study_of_changes_in_sperm_DNA_damage_and_semen_parameters_using_daily_ejaculation

mcponline.org/content/early/2018/08/20/mcp.RA117.000541

Regarding Masculine Sexual Energy...

Finding a wife and having regular sex with her is best, IMO.

>Thus the default position based on balance of probability would be caution at the very least, and reading the sources about cultivating sexual energy.

That is if you ignore the warnings from Christian, Islamic and Judaic sources to stay away from 'energy cultivation' practices, like the Yogis and Taoists taught.

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>regular draining of sperm improves quality of sperm
Huh, I guess that's why sperm counts are at an all time high...

You believe whatever you want to man. Science has been shown to be unreliable and influenced by politics anyway.

Post these 'warnings' then. Are you denying Abrahamic religions encourage sexual restraint?

>Huh, I guess that's why sperm counts are at an all time high...

Estrogen in the water supply, and the record obsesity rate probably explain what you are referring to.

Based on the research, regular ejaculation keeps sperm healthy.

> Are you denying Abrahamic religions encourage sexual restraint?

Nope. But noone have they said that has anything to do with maximizing 'male sexual energy', test production, or sperm health.

You're the one seemingly making those additional claims.

Also, like I said, sexual restraint was literally told to teenagers, who would often get married in their teens. It was told to people literally still in puberty, not to people who were post -puberty.

So, extracting biological health claims from that is ignoring that adults (in the modern sense) are biologically in post-puberty.

Telling teens not to masturbate, when they are popping morning wood, and random boners during the day, whilst having wet dreams at night, is a very different reality to modern society, where people like sedentary lives and may be in their mid 20s drinking, estrogen laced drinks, soaked in Electro magnetic radiation.

The teens in the past likely had not problem with test production, and sperm health, due to literally being in a natural environment whilst being in puberty.

Different reality for us.

That's why I'm not so quick to apply principles made 2 millennia ago, to the modern day.

Eating bread in rememberance of Jesus (I still do it), but literally I take a small amount, and I don't eat bread in my daily life... Why? Becaŭse the bread in Jesus' time is very, very different to modern day bread. Modern day farming practices and soil health, is very, very different.

Basically, IMO, context matters to me a lot.

What are your religious/spiritual beliefs, in a nutshell?

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>Are you denying Abrahamic religions encourage sexual restraint?
Dafuq are you talking you satanist brainlet, semen retentition (by your own BS occult sources) is a satanic doctrine. Genesis clearly states "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth."
>I guess that's why sperm counts are at an all time high...
And you know why is that happening you brainlet? That's because of mineral subnutrition and imbalances, especifically zinc (you lose 2mg of zinc per ejaculation). This is your grand source of "enlightment" when you retain your ejaculation, you retain zinc. If you have an adddiction treat your addiction and stop the conspiracy nonsense.

Take up the "greek philosophical training" of the ancients (followed by for instance Marcus Aurelius), of sleeping on the ground/floor in nothing but a [thick] cloak

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Firstly, you can't trust modern research anyway. See and .

You seem to think reality is subjective. That there is no ultimate or absolute truth. Your biology is no different to someone who lived 10,000 years ago. Therefore, what was healthy for them will be healthy for you.

You keep going on about sexual restraint being 'just for teenagers' but no, it was for monks as well, ie those who sought the most spiritual path. And do you really think adult couples in history were fucking 5 times a week, plus fapping? No. They were much more restrained than we are today, because their religion preached sexual restraint (lust being a deadly sin).

There is not a 'different reality' for us. Semen retention is either healthy or not for humans, no matter the period of history they're in. Male sexual energy is part of spiritual health and mental clarity.

My religious beliefs are overall Christian. I believe this world is a testing ground for souls, we are each a roll of the dice, and the wills that overcome difficulty, degeneracy, temptation and sin, and become grateful to God and Jesus, will be brought into heaven. Those that don't will be annihilated; not punished, just erased, and they will sleep forever and never know any different. God wants to create people whose wills freely choose goodness, so he needs a proving ground to offer them that choice first.

So while I'm on this material plane, looking after my body and generally doing good and helping others rise up spiritually is worthwhile. The energy I seek to cultivate is not for material power, it is for the enjoyment of being fully alive, which is a gift from God.

Paganism/Taoism/Yoga is in a lower category to me, and not required for salvation. They are simply enjoyment and appreciation of the beauty and rhythm of the physical world, and caretaking of the body, both of which are gifts.

Obviously the one exception to semen retention is for procreating.

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Basically Christianity is the spiritual truth and guide, and so-called "spiritual" disciplines are actually more guides for living well physically. There is nothing in Christianity that forbids enjoying God's creation and cultivating a healthy body and mind. He created our physical bodies as a part of it, after all. Just as long as you don't forget that the physical is only that. And 'being one' with the physical universe is equal to spiritual annihilation; blending into it until you have no more of a distinct, discerning soul than a rock does.

>And do you really think adult couples in history were fucking 5 times a week, plus fapping? No.
They were and they are doing it in the same manner that in the past. Fucking goats, cows, masturbating and fucking their 10 wives 7 times a week if their nutrition is optimal. Only in the western world we have a decline in that trend.
>They were much more restrained than we are today, because their religion preached sexual restraint (lust being a deadly sin).
By the contrary they were more actively sexual than today, especially in india. The restrain started when groups of power (Rome, Islam, etc) started creating the constrains over the slaves of the empire and created the religious falsehood of prolonged abstinence.

>You seem to think reality is subjective. That there is no ultimate or absolute truth

I already told you that I'm a Christian.

>Your biology is no different to someone who lived 10,000 years ago. Therefore, what was healthy for them will be healthy for you.

The Air, Soil and Water are significantly different than 10,000 years ago. If you think otherwise, I think you need to do more research.

>My religious beliefs are overall Christian

Then I don't understand why you are messing with Eastern occult practices Tantra, and Toga.

>Your biology is no different to someone who lived 10,000 years ago.

Wanted to add:

I already addressed that people used to get married in their teens in the past.

You're advising people to be never ejaculate post puberty.

So I don't know how you taken from the above, that I'm stating that out biology is different from 10,000 years ago.

You have really terrible reading comprehension and your arguments and goalposts are all over the place. I don't really know what you're doing here other than to nitpick for arguments sake.

Nothing you've said is convincing that nofap is wrong. You're just saying but, but, but... when I have clearly stated my reasoning, evidence and logic.

>Nothing you've said is convincing that nofap is wrong.

You've argued in support of semen retention, not simply just no fap.

That's literally in your OP. You literally argue for 'absolute semen retention'.

It doesn't convince you, because part of what has convinced your is Eastern Occultism i.e. Semen Retention.

Semen Retention is not a part of Christianity, Islam or Judaism.

No fap =/= Absolute Semen Retention.

Celibacy before marriage =/= Absolute Semen Retention.

You falsely try to equate Abrahamic sexual ethics with Eastern Occult semen retention practices. They are not one and the same.

>when I have clearly stated my reasoning, evidence and logic.

You and I have a different standard of what constitutes a convincing arguments.

>And do you really think adult couples in history were fucking 5 times a week, plus fapping? No. They were much more restrained than we are today, because their religion preached sexual restraint (lust being a deadly sin).

Lust (in regards to Christian Ethics) does not mean what you seem think it means.

Lust (in regards to Christian Ethics) does not simply mean sexual desire, it means coveting, obsession, transgression, greed, etc.

I would advise looking into the translation of Lust in the new testament.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lust

Christian Ethics (and translations) really aren't a simple as many of us think.

Nothing wrong with having sex with your wife 5 times a week. Please don't like Eastern Occultism convince you otherwise.

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>semantics
>word games
>things that are similar aren't related because they're not word-for-word identical
>but but but
>still no position
>still no argument

For all the effort you've put in, all you've actually said in this thread that hasn't been refuted is "yeah, nah"

It's not occultism, it's advice for healthy living. I'm not basing my position on Eastern or Western teachings, I'm pointing out they all largely concur.

There might not be anything biblically "wrong" with having sex 5 times a week, in the same way as there's nothing "wrong" with eating McDonald's 5 days a week. It's about health, not theology. But the teaching is present in, if not explicitly supported by, all religions, and logic.

or just buy a vial of test for cheap and stop the copecel

>. But the teaching is present in, if not explicitly supported by, all religions, and logic.

No, semen retention is not.

You seem to want it to be though.

They don't concor, Semen retention =/= no fap and celibacy before marriage.

Semen retention is an ongoing practice, even during sex with one's wife. That is simply not true for Christianity, Islam and Judaism. They don't advise that.

You seem to focus on the agreement with celibacy and non fap parts of the religious and spiritual traditions. But you ignore the parts where they are in conflict.

>what are Christian monks

Enjoy prostate cancer and erectile dysfunction/premature ejac

Monks can't have wives, and that life is for a very, very small percentage of Christians.

In Catholicism (I'm not a Catholic, but other Christian traditions have similar concepts) it's called a Vocation. The idea that God has put people to be in specific roles, people have to go through assessments and personal reflection to see if being a monk or a nun is a vocation.

Semen retention =/= being a monk or nun. Monks or nuns, can't have partners.

Semen Retention is something that is practised even within the context of a relationship.

Again, you seem to be trying to force congruence where it doesn't exist,

>am I missing anything?

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What's up with all the losers going against nofap? What, is it too hard for you to complete? Take a challenge ffs

Yeees goyim keep cumming! keep watching your beloved pornography where a desirable girl gets fucked by some jacked monkey too!

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it's the same kind of people that chimp out everytime someone suggest they have an addiction