What white collar type career best allows for a Jow Forums lifestyle?
I want to be a jacked exec.
>finance has long hours, can't have a life
>consulting requires weekly travel, can't get buck on hotel gyms
>tech will eventually get yourself pushed out because insecure programmer liberal betas
there's a reason 90% of people past the age of 25 look like fucking shit. work will take up the vast majority of your day and leave you with no energy for anything else. you'll get lazy and fat out of complacency and apathy, or you'll be a skinny twink. all the college kids complaining about having to write essays and find time for the gym are all the people who will not be lifting anymore once they become adults
Project management brah
Do 8 hours of bossing folks around then lift
At the same time, I see upper class lawyers and executives doing triathlons and hiking and all sorts of shit. If anything most of the fatties are the middle management guys. Why is this?
the CEO at my old job (big aerospace company) was a bodybuilder, or at least had a great physique. My manager was also jacked as fuck.
regardless of your job, it's about making time to exercise. any job has long hours as you climb the ranks. an exec works a lot more than you imagine. for example, my father is a CFO and is pulling 13h days and he's in his 60's
people at the top delegate. that, and they are usually just from better genetic stock. smarter, harder working, more free time, less stress because no monetary concerns = stronger dedication to fitness
Pharma and related.
1-Work/life balance is usually really good.
2-Companies usually have excellent health plans.
3-Tons of women.
4-Respectable comp packages.
5-Don't necessarily have to live in a city.
they delegate some of the legwork and analyses, but if you think people at the top don't work or have less stress, you're plainly wrong. they have a lot more pressure than you think.
Adjunct faculty, I work 10 hours a week (more like 10 minutes). Admittedly, it doesn't pay well enough to satisfy quality women, but there's no shortage of young thots who are easily impressed.
Bros I’m getting my cs degree, is it a mistake? All throughout my life I enjoyed doing manual labour but I can’t make good enough money and I don’t want to do that shit when I’m old but it seems like the tech industry is really cucked
all jobs have their pros and cons. a cs degree will always be useful, but you'll be sitting at a desk for the rest of your life. manual labour will destroy your body if you do it for 30+ years, but it's nice to work with your hands
The hardest years in any white collar job are your first 5. Since top tier white collar jobs only recruit people are attractive anyways, most of these guys survive off their college gains and go dad bod at worst for those 5 tough years. Once they are in leadership and have some free time they can easily transition back into fitness.
As for hiking/ adventure travel the perks of these white collar jobs can mean tons of PTO... I'm a first year in a top tier accounting firm and I get 5 weeks PTO. I can't take it during busy season from August-October and Jan-Apr so I do a ton of travel and /out/ stuff in the summer.
Enjoy working for 5-10 years before you are laid off in favor of a fresh graduate. CS is a meme major because it is probably the only major where you become LESS valuable to a company over time. There's a reason why no 40 year olds are coding for Google.
>white collar
>ever
State job, great bennies, excellent pension, still wasn't enough to keep me from literally putting a gun to my head after three years of that shit. Office work is slow motion suicide. It is terrible for the body and soul. I will never, ever work an office job again.
It's not so much the job role, but really the size of the company.
none, white collar work actually requires that you to have at least a fraction of a brain
>be me
>radiation safety engineer
>easy 9 to 5
>just be good with computers
all i hear are excuses and lack of passion for lifting
it doesn't matter what job they wouldve had instead, they still wouldn't be fit
>There's a reason why no 40 year olds are coding for Google.
Is this legit? At my company (Fortune 250) there are coders well into their 50's and 60's. As long as they know how to code, They don't give a fuck where they come from.
>all i hear are excuses and lack of passion for lifting
yeah, that was exactly my point
>tech will eventually get yourself pushed out because insecure programmer liberal betas
I work as a programmer in South Carolina where liberals kind of don't exist.
This is bullshit. Also, not everyone with a CS degree needs to go to Silicon Valley dummy
>lack of passion
>yeah they just wont have time and be tired
?
Yeah loads of government, finance, insurance, Healthcare etc. Related companies has legacy code up the ass. You've got some old fucks doing the same shit they've been doing since they were 20. This was the original dilbert software engineering shit.
The whole silicon Valley thing started because nerds wanted to break free from being told what to do by the people who ran those said organizations.
I'm exaggerating, but yeah, top tier companies hire young, whiz kid coders who learned the 'cutting edge' in school. It is hard to learn new concepts while you are also expected to work 60 hours a week. There are orders of magnitude between a F50 and a F250 company.
I know a guy old as fuck that started programming in, I want to say 1960. Still working in computers. He is so fun to talk to.
>consulting requires weekly travel, can't get buck on hotel gyms
Consultantfag here, the last 2 hotels I stayed at for long term projects had squat racks and pretty good weights (DBs went up to 70 in one of them). If you work for one of the big corporate firms with a shitfuckton of money (MBB, Deloitte, Accenture, PWC, Booz, etc) you stay at top tier hotels.
Mate the entire South is getting colonized by rejects from the mega cities. And you're losing control of your blacks.
The south is going to be completely blue by 2030
>deloitte Accenture pwc booz
>top tier
B student detected lol
Air Force Officer. 2 Hours of gym time (including shower and travel from gym to workplace) is built in a day.
Eng degree and life is easy when you climb up ranks.
I'm a software & systems test engineer for a company that makes about 3.5 billion dollars in annual sales, idk where that falls in the fortune ladder but we're not publicly traded so I dont really care.
That being said, I can easily find myself 1, 2 sometimes 3 hours a day to dedicate to rock climbing and climbing training (including just your standard lifting), all while grinding out 5-60 hour weeks. It all comes down to discipline and motivation.
Do you have a woman/family?
Can confirm. Wife and I are planning to move south and get the fuck out of Boston. Many of our acquaintances have similar plans.
Deloitte and PWC are top tier accounting but def not consulting lol
They are trying so hard to move away from accounting and into consulting and it is so fucking dumb
Not currently. My ex was a rock climber too so it was SUPER nice that gf bonding time and serious climbing overlapped. Really need me a new qt rock climbing gf.
No family though, fuck that.
>who was reading comprehension
I never said they were top tier, I said they were big have a shitfuckton of money, so they can pay for top tier hotels
>system test engineer
So you're a stupid lazy talentless faggot? QA is where dreams go to die
or the fact it's my first job in the industry and I was in forensics before this but didn't like the strict hours or the endless stream of drug addict dead bodies.
go fuck yourself
>rock climber gf
No wonder she's your ex now. Rock climber girls are insufferable feminists or just gay.
Army fag here. Please tell me why everyone in your branch is hot. I don't know what it is, but all of you, officer, enlisted, man, woman, old, and young looks way better than us.
Natural selection. Only idiot southern white bois go army or marines
>100IQ goes air force or maybe navy
Testing has no upward mobility and is looked upon as the turbotards of software.
I just saved you a lifetime of disappointment. Get out and do something more fun
Just make time for it.
I have an office job in the lumber industry. My revellie is at 0400hr and I'm at the gym at 0500. 0620 I leave for work. Lunch I have an hour so i change over and go for a run, typically 3.5 mi.
Just make sure to go to bed at a good hour and don't drink too much at night.
Canuk AF. No idea bro. More women in the chair force. Less stress so ages you less I reckon.
I forgot to add, just eat at your desk while you work. Don't skip the gym, and don't skip lunchtime run time.
Then, you'll be ahead of everyone else.
Literally any job that doesn't fuck with your sleep schedule
>Canuck AF
Don't let anyone say you snow beaners aren't cool as fuck. Y'all do some ballsy shit in theater. Respect to our closest and best ally.
what are you confused about
Nurse. Get to move around a lot. Work late, train early. Work early train late. Work at night, train at any time because you only work 3 shifts per week. It is brilliant, shit if you have family though
oh bro I know lmao, I'm just using it as a stepping stone. going to my tuition assistance and try and make the switch to systems. Also, I'd ideally like to work in biotech specifically. I'm in aerospace now.
I'm getting paid more than my last two jobs combined though so I can't complain for the time being.
this so much. who cares? Gives you more time to do what you need/want to do.
she wasn't that bad. but I do see plenty of that type at the gym, but I find it hard to believe there aren't good ones out there.
They've studied it. People at the top have the least amount of stress. They might work a lot. They might have a lot of responsibility. But they have the least amount of stress.
Do you know why? Control. They have more control on what they do, how they do it, when they do it and if they have to do it. The further you go down the chain, they less control you have and the higher you are for depression, poor health and suicide.
When you have control over your day you can work out and then come in to work. No one gives a shit if your a hour late. You can also take a 2 hour lunch and use 1 hour of it to work out. Or leave work early or on time.
The further down you go, the less you can do this.
I've started to do this myself. After I dropped 50 lbs people let me do what i want more. Halo effect is real. So i skip our morning meeting and come in 20 minutes late.
I am in Health Care Administration. C level position. I make great money but have a hectic schedule. At the end of the day it is all BS excuses. If you want to work out you will find a way. I used the career excuse for the last 6 years while I also had kids. I finally started back up again, I workout from 9:00PM to 10:45PM three times a week. It has been 7 months now, nice gains, your job is not the reason you wont work out you are. I had endless money for my needs it didn't make me workout. I had/have a wife that didn't make a difference, I had kids and just used them as an excuse. Workout or don't, if you are already coming up with excuses you will never make it.
This is my plan. Thanks user
eyy pal how difficult would it to become an fighter pilot if i dont like being dizzy
>tech will eventually get yourself pushed out because insecure programmer liberal betas
This is only true for frilly high-level software companies. Do something manly and low-level like embedded systems or firmware engineering and you'll be set for life.
The excuses could be real.
The thing is, you have to make choices. What do you want more? To sit on your butt, playing xbox, eating fast food?
For me I had to mostly give up games and get up at 3 or 4 AM everyday so I can get to the gym. I'm an engineer so i never know when I'll go home. This is the only way.
If it matters, you'll find a way. The problem is most people dont really want to give anything up and make changes to their lives.
You're obviously not a pilot
>t. Pilot
This is fucking retarded. At my company, all software engineers who stick around end up project leads or managers. Nobody get's laid off once they've made it past a year or so successfully.
Find a company that treats their employees better.
I'm willing to bet your company isn't a F50, either. We're talking about the top of the profession here. I'm not concerned about some wagecuck shit job.
Finance hours are gravy. Just stay away from meme investment banking or hedge funds or any of those other high-profile positions that eat consume your life. Aim a bit lower: corporate finance or insurance companies. You’ll be making six figures after a few years and never working 100 hour weeks.
mate could you answer this for me
If you don't like being dizzy don't do it. Gs suck unless you genuinely enjoy it.
Once you're on top you have significant leeway. You make strategic decisions as you have a lot of insight but you've generally delegated most of the grunt work.
Business owner. You can work out at home and still make bank. This is what my dad does.
Nigger are you serious. Wagecuck is what you'll stay as at a fortune 500 company with a CS degree when you could be a comfy 200k+ salary project lead at a good company that treats you right.
If you're well connected politically you can land really laid back government jobs. They don't pay insane insane amounts, but $160k a year and fucktons of benefits for doing shit is pretty decent.
Otherwise being in PE or VC could work. You'll have to grind the first bit but after a while it'll be 3-4 meetings a day.
Not disagreeing with you. I'm an accountant going for my MBA.
this. i work with one of my friends from high school and kid is nothing short of brilliant. he chooses to work for a smaller (but still globally dominant company), but have him be in high demand for the cutting edge products.
He could easily get a job at a fortune 50 in SV but doesn't want that lifestyle. He'll be a major software project lead or sowftware manager in the text 10 years easy 200k by 40.
Nope, not a Pilot. Can't speak for this.
Hey pilot, any advice for a 20 year old trying to become a commercial airline pilot? I'm currently weighing my options of going to my local college and taking an aviation course, or joining the air force.
Based PMbro. I'm taking my CAPM exam this summer, thanks for validating my choice.
>Quick! Those wounded terrorists will drown if we don't rescue them in time!
I'm a pilot, 6'1" handsome, great hair, lift+cardio 5-6 days a week (can't always do Saturdays, have 3 kids). When people put their lives in someone else's hands, I think they prefer too see someone that looks like they give a fuck. Correct me if I'm wrong but I know I wouldn't take a doctor seriously if he was a fat slob.
>work at a casino resort as a manager in slot operations
>get to wear a suit all day at work
>feels good lads
Retard
Private equity and venture capital is the fucking shit. Medium sized company, execs don't give a shit about what you as long as you get your work done. Meeting investors and visiting conpanies requires some travel (within Europe in my case) which is no problem if you pick high class hotels with proper gyms. Occasional presentation or meeting at the office, easy to combine with daily workouts. Who gives a shit if your day isn't 9 to 5 if you can determine what 80% of your schedule looks like.
Kinda feeling confused too.
About to get civil engineering degree this july, is it a mistake? I really don't want to do manual labour when I'll be older and fuck myself up.
Ask the family for a handout, as we all know you do, and get your own company you lazy fuck.