Fuck. Ok its been killing me. You know what meme I don't fucking get?

Yo that's the nastiest tattoo I've ever seen

The fuck are YOU talking about OP? As someone already pointed out, ultimately everything is driven by your 'biological wiring'. If not that then what is it that drives our behaviors? There is nothing else.

Just because the outcome of the behavior isn't consistent with the 'purpose' or nature of the underlying motivations it does not necessarily mean that is not the cause.

>he doesn't know that the risk of having a kid is actually small even if you nut in her

And? People generally wouldn't have sex just one time and that's it

We fuck what we find attractive. What we find attractive is determined by the girls reproductive health. That's why guys don't want to fuck 70 year old women

>comparing a dog that's so pants-on-head insane that it's banned in the UK with a modern human

Biological wiring doesn't determine shit. Reproduction is literally the last thing on any club-goer's mind and they'll avoid it like the plague and worry about whether they did it in the morning.

Are u dum

That's like arguing that there's no need to fear the dark because city's are safe ignoring the hundreds of thousands of years before civilization where hungry things lurked that could smell,hear and see better than you can

some do.
i also guarantee there are some hot girls with infertility problems you want to fuck.

all of the evo-psych nonsense falls apart pretty quickly if you examine trends and cultural differences. do you think small boobs can be attractive? do you think bright red is the only color that lips should be?

if you are serious about muh genetics and MUH WIRES LOL XD then you know humans adjust constantly to the environment. there are some cues that make us attracted to things that everyone around us finds unattractive. but even all that doesn't explain individual preferences and habits. if reproduction is a motivation, it's generally a small part of the whole story. in terms of pleasure as motivator though, it's more tied to common lifestyle or sexual experience.

Sure, our ancestors never had sex for pleasure. That's like a current year thing, right?

So what about faggots?
What about pulling out? Are you saying that there is this insatiable reproductive drive to impregnate a girl, and then at the last second we manage to overcome that urge and pull out because we've evolved so far that we can just avoid having unwanted kids.....even though we just simply NEED to produce kids all the time.

Every decision you make when you're hitting on a girl all the way until when you bust a nut is your own conscious decision. You're fucked if you think there is some underlying reproductive agenda behind all that

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Well exactly, people don't generally get afraid of the dark, they get afraid of people jumping out and stabbing them. Most people will never actually fear the actual dark when walking late at night. The only thing the think about is potential muggers. Same goes for sex. Reproduction doesn't cross anyone's mind when you're casually having sex

Well yeah

The only reason we do that stuff is because we are smart enough to realize the consequences, animals on the other hand will just stay in

>do you think small boobs can be attractive?
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You don't seem to understand that it's irrelevant what goes through your mind, it's the constant urge to have sex that matters

>urges don't exist in the mind
excuse you

There was no porn to jerk off to, no strip clubs to attend, no condoms to stop sperm, if you had the urge to have sex with a woman then you would do so

Did you not read my post? Like I said, the OUTCOME of the behavior does not necessarily have any bearing on the CAUSE of that behavior.

I don't really know what you are arguing. I don't see how it can possibly be denied that sexual behaviors are ultimately driven by biological reproductive urges.

Of course there is a lot more complexity going on which interacts with that urge, causing numerous differing behavioral outcomes, some of which are not at all in line with why we evolved that biological impulse in the first place.

>irrelevant what goes through your mind
BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS IRRELEVANT, user

The oldest organised civilization we know of is 8000bc that's VERY recent in biological terms and wouldn't be enough to completely weed out our basic wiring

Like if we break it down to the barest level it's just: put sperm in vagina

The point of sex is not reproduction, but an orgasm. But the only reason you have orgasms is procreation. Yes, you can have sex and never make a woman pregnant, that just makes you a genetic dead end no matter how much you enjoyed it. The same goes for eating. You want to eat food not to feel hungry, but not feeling hungry is connected to your survival even if you're a moron that only eats unhealthy shit. I'd say all pleasure seeking is a sublimation of our fear of death, that's why we do all sorts of weird stuff like waste our seed porn and sluts.

no one has sex here OP. you realize you're on a board of social rejects who never seen a pussy, right? go fuck yourself

the subject is that some people are retarded enough to believe that how you deal with those urges and who you fuck is determined by the need to have children.

your argument is like "people work for money" while OP is addressing those who think "the amount of money determines which job everyone takes." it oversimplifies and is plain wrong.

There's a lot of complexity because there is pretty much a niche for every single man's weird sexual desires, whether it be animals, milfs, strong women, anime characters and the like. Not to mention gay sex and blowjobs.

>reproductive urges
Meaning you want semen to come out of your pee-pee?
Sure you can sat that that is part of reproduction, but its not for the sake of reproducing.

The point is that saying people only go after the mate with the highest reproductive potential is bullshit. You want to squirt you semen on a girl, but it really has nothing to do with reproduction, except for the fact that semen happens to carry your genes for reproduction

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Orgasms don't have a reason though. They evolved by chance, they don't have a pre-described reproductive purpose.

Therefore, the only point to an orgasm is one that you determined yourself. i.e. The pleasure of busting a nut to some porn or in a girls anus.

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I should also add, you seem to be under the illusion that every reason and motivation for your behavior is made consciously and is within your conscious awareness. This is absolutely not the case. Quite the opposite infact.

um...yes? just because it doesn't reach their conscious mind (or it does, and they rationalize it), it doesn't mean that it is not the driver of that behavior, the genetic basis of which being passed on to the offspring. It's not that difficult to understand why, either. Fucking more generally leads to having more kids.

What do you mean the genetic driver?
If you desire to wank to some porn, there is no reproductive drive behind it.
Orgasms don't have a purpose like that. They evolved by random chance, and they just happen to reproduce offspring and feel really good also. That's just what happened to make so many of us.

There's no reproductive drive. The only reason you wank is because you consciously know that it feels great. Evolution doesn't assign things conceptual purposes like reproduction. So where did you get that idea?

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Sure they do, sex feels good, and it feels good because that encourages people to reproduce.

People often anthropomorphize evolution as this genius designer, and it kinda is, but you can't forget that it's a brainless natural phenomenon. It doesn't actually think or plan. For a very long time, the pleasure of sex, both the orgasm and the oxytocin of the experience, were alluring enough to get humans to fuck each other, and we lived in environments where we had no reliable birth control, which didn't really come into the picture until the past 100 years.

The fact that sex is pleasurable at all, therefore, indirectly motivates humans to reproduce, but because evolution isn't perfect or thoughtful, it doesn't have an answer for widespread use of birth control keeping humans who fuck from falling into the trap of childbirth.

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reproduction came long before orgasms and pleasure big shot. there might have not been any selective pressure specifically for pleasure. you're kind of stupid so ill stop there

Christ, you seem dumb as a brick. Intuition comes first, rationalization comes second. It's not some literal conscious reasoning process ("this person seems like a viable partner to reproduce with"). Rather, it's a deep seated urge to reproduce with a viable mate that people RATIONALIZE in any way they want (she's attractive, he's funny, etc). We also didn't evolve for birth control, so these deep seated urges don't know the difference between nutting in a condom, masturbating, and fucking a girl to have kids.
Although, for what it's worth, nutting in a girl with the mutual intent of having kids is literally the best feeling on earth

It's an urge to orgasm, not reproduce. Can you actually prove to me that it starts with an urge to reproduce?

How can you possibly TELL that its an urge to reproduce if that thought never crosses your mind?
If you never even have the thought "let's reproduce" how can you tell that is the driver?

How.... since none of your internal processes actually have a designated purpose... how can you know that you're being driven to reproduce?

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Dude, it makes you feel good as an incentive to reproduce.
Yes, in and of itself it might not be the urge to reproduce, but it was definitely made to feel good to encourage it.
Just like high caloric foods are made to taste good, for survival.

Those urges aren't separate from the thought process of wanting to jack off or wanting to have sex or choosing who you have sex with. Also they aren't urges to reproduce usually.

Read "the righteous mind" by Jonathan Haidt. Most of our actions are guided by intuitions which are NOT conscious. Instead we rationalize them.

While no one can "prove" what the driver of our actions is, the simplest explanation is that we evolved to have pleasurable orgasms to ENCOURAGE reproduction and the survival of our species, even though evolution isn't perfect. There has to be some driver of reproduction, and orgasms give an incentive.

Generally, people are most attracted to people with the best genetics (both physically attractive and healthy).

There's clues that lead us to that conclusion. For example, how do you explain that, generally, men are attracted to "child bearing" hips? Healthy looking skin? Physically fit women? It's not random.

Similarly, women are attracted to men that are tall, strong, have a symmetrical face etc. Without evolution in mind, these attractions would seem completely random. Instead, reproductive evolution explains it, and therefore is most likely the driver of our attraction (and again, it doesn't have to be conscious reasoning)

>definitely
kissing feels good but it DEFINITELY is not for survival.

You strike me as a huge autist. Just because people don't LITERALLY think "wow, that guy is tall and seems to have optimal genetics, therefore, I want to have sex to reproduce with him and ensure the optimal survival of our species" doesn't mean evolution isn't guiding our actions. Most of our actions are guided by subconscious intuitions, and evolution is the overarching one. And evolution isn't JUST about reproduction dumbass, it guides our instincts to protect, nurture, form social bonds, etc. What's your theory anyway? That people do things just because they think that they should? That's ultimate blue pill

>Yes, in and of itself it might not be the urge to reproduce, but it was definitely made to feel good to encourage it.

No it wasn't made for that purpose. It feels good because that resulted in more orgasms. There was absolutely nothing that decided that the good feel was specifically to aid in reproduction. Evolution happens by chance. There is no "divine purpose" behind why the orgasm feels good. It just works and that's why we kept it

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ironically evo-psych is the worst explanation offered to describe attraction.
evolution is precisely dependent on random variation by the way. read a book.

you're rationalizing orgasms with the need to have kids and then whining about anyone rationalizing them with other qualities. besides the fact that you have a narrow view of how attraction works, sex primarily for kids is a lazy perspective. its one leap of logic from saying we evolved to wash ourselves to have kids.

>mutual intent
That's what makes not so good of a feeling reddit.

>evolution isn't guiding our actions
it's not. you have no subconscious context for what is successful on a scale of millions of years.

>what's your theory
that sexuality is far more complex than a one-to-one relationship with a desire to have children, faggot. "evolution makes me sit in a chair to shitpost on Jow Forums" is not a valid position. not only that, but muh wiring is highly variable. dicks and vaginas are conserved, the ability to fuck is conserved, how we behave is not.

I don't think anyone attempted to argue that it is not more complex than a simple reproductive impulse. It is more complex, hence why we see such a diverse range of sexual behavior in humans. That doesn't mean that reproductive impulse isn't the core motivation, regardless of whether or not that is realised or that is the outcome.

Let's say young couple has sex even if they have no idea there will a be a pregnancy, but the entire purpose of the act is still to reproduce, it being enjoyable on it's own is there to encorage more reproduction, those who haven't found sex fun all went extinct.

But what makes an "impulse" reproductive?

Reproduction never even crosses our mind when we go out and have sex.
And because of evolution's random nature, the impulse doesn't have a label attached to it saying "this is for reproduction".

How do you know its a reproductive impulse?

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>it being enjoyable on it's own is there to encorage more reproduction

But, you and many other people who have said this already, are wrong. There is no purpose to feeling good. There is no purpose to eating food. There is no purpose of your stomach digesting food.
This all happened due to evolution's random deviations. There is no such thing as a reproductive purpose. And therefore, how can you determine if an unseen impulse is reproductive in nature?

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