NEET here...

it said 'public sector' so I guess it's illegal

Tell us about your lies OP. Did you lie about being a NEET or did you somehow get the interview with a long term NEET gap on your resume.

I lied about what I did in my previous job and I haven't been a NEET for that long. I was a peon bank clerk but made it sound like I did 'basic dev work assisting a senior member' when I watched and had no idea what was going on.

You sound like a funny guy dude.

3 months experience is fuck all; you can learn most of what you need in the probation period.

t. software dev who has hired some absolute dingbats in the past who've turned out to be all right.

And we've had dudes with 10-20 years experience who are absolutely 100% mentally retarded. One of them went on to write embedded systems for heart surgeons at the NHS. May god have mercy on us all.

I'm just a retard desu
as someone who relies on the NHS to not die that's mildly concerning

>It's only illegal to lie about (being competent) for government jobs.

I don't think that's true. Have you seen our Parliament in the last 3 weeks? It's straight out of an episode of the thick of it.

I have always been keen on politics but the past month has been so embarrassing and depressing I have been mostly avoiding reading about it

If I went balls to the walls learning, how fast can I learn the basics to be able to be "hireable" as a dev?
I'm not super smart but I would say I was of average intelligence, I live in Colombia btw so the competition isn't that big here anyway

fake it till you make it, what do you got to lose?

Well it sounds like I could get a criminal record if I'm accused of outright lying, which I would be. Not to the extent of pretending I have a qualification, but still

depends what the job is, but basically if you have a job or a task you just google dat shit till you find a load of forum post or stackoverflow questions that give you the answers you need.

That's literally how to do 90% of modern dev work.

If you want to do it properly, once you know the exact shit you need to study you can either look online for courses, or use codewars or some similar site to learn hands-on shit.

Can you help me with some IT career questions?

yea just ask nigga, i'm sure there's plenty of it bots hanging around as well.

>I have very very rudimentary programming skills
specify this. also, how did you get the invitation?

Cool.
>29 uk
>2.2 maths degree from 8 years ago
>on NEETbux currently since last month
>keep getting emails about cyber security courses which apparently there's a demand for
>got only about 2k (in british pounds)
>no IT experience
>only ever worked in supermarkets

What are my options? What's my first step?

What do you actually want to do with your life, like for a career?

There's loads of different paths you can take in cyber-security, not just programming. You can be like a dev ops specialist; cyber detective; forensic analyst; network infrastructure engineer; project manager.

If you are interested in that kind of shit then maybe doing those courses would give you some insight into how to take it further, but honestly you're just gonna end up 10-20k more in the student loan tax (not that any of it matters anyway).

An alternative, if you can find someone who will take you, could be to get an apprenticeship. That way you'll learn about this shit as you work and decide whether or not it's right for you. The obvious downsides are the low pay and some places prefer younger apprentices, although most places won't discriminate.

I know some dudes who did 2-3 year apprenticeships at GCHQ and it's pretty fuckin mental; they had to delete ALL their social media presence, are only allowed to use first names at work and can't tell anyone about their job other than family (everyone knows what you mean when you say you work in Tech in Cheltenham though).

emails as in spam? delete, they wouldn't need to spam if they offered worthwhile services at fair prices.
the take-away seems that you are intrigued by the prospect of an IT career. also I have nothing to back this up but a google search for what kind of jobs are growing could confirm or deny my gut feeling: I'd say that security is in fact a growing branch and that newcomers have decent chances. it's one of the IT things that regular, boring companies need and have less of than they should, so it should be growing basically everywhere.

it's possible to self-teach all IT skills with absolutely no formal education but of course it's easier to get a job with formal education. whether you choose to pay for an education or not, you should first try self-teaching some programming basics (I found java and c# the easiest to get into, just pick one) to see if it's at all something you can stand to do for hours on end. Here's a C# tutorial that gets to the point with no filler:
youtube.com/watch?v=lisiwUZJXqQ
And the other thing you'll be doing a lot in cyber security is using networking tools such as wireshark, or at least using such tools is how one learns about networking and any cyber security professional has to know the basics of networking.
Your math background is great for cyber security btw. You'll have an easier time understanding encryption than most.

>What do you actually want to do with your life, like for a career?
Not quite sure, at 29 I've been stuck (and then quit) at my supermarket job where they were trying to run the store with fewer and fewer people. I need something that won't destroy my knees and pays decently and has actual upward mobility.

I'm looking at apprenticeships but like you said they look for younger people and sometimes my degree actually gets in the way because they're looking for school leavers.

>emails as in spam?
Emails from reed uk, though I guess they could be considered spam since they pay reed to advertise their courses.

What did you get into and what was your first step in a paying role?

I'm not in cyber security, I make video games, lmao

Do you get paid for it at least?

>And the other thing you'll be doing a lot in cyber security is using networking tools such as wireshark, or at least using such tools is how one learns about networking and any cyber security professional has to know the basics of networking.

Networking is only one career that can overlap with cyber-security. For example, as a (almost) full-stack dev-ops engineer i basically know next to nothing about networking other than what i've seen other engineers do. If I were to take a cyber security job, it'd probably be some kind of scripts/algorithms to do business intelligence or data analysis of something, which these days tends to be done in python, but could easily be a database analyst role.

And even outside of programming, there's plenty of roles where they bring in mathematicians and people with code-breaking skills who know next to nothing about IT, and teach them how to apply those skills using the business intelligence created by the programmers.

It's all collaborative shit these days; the roles are too complex to have "one IT guy" do everything outside of small businesses.

don't go into video games, you want financial security. you want something that, as I said, boring, regular companies have a demand for. that way you're employable in every city and wages are competitive. the games industry is tiny, limited to a few cities per country, and game devs are "passionate" aka will work for pennies to get a foot in the door.

Please simplify things for me, my brain has gone soft from years of work at supermarkets. There's seems to be so many options and careers paths, and the fucking numpties at the jobcentre have got no fucking clue how anything works in the IT sector aside from "just apply to anything".

Please define a reasonable concrete path into a field of IT with financial security, however boring it may be.

I got a Bachelor's in the "CS" equivalent in Germany and wireshark and stuff is how we learned about networks. I figured most people's education touches on those kinds of tools at some point. I didn't mean to imply that everyone in cyber security ends up looking at network data. they don't end up programming either, but you're expected to know the basics of programming in pretty much any IT field, no?

>Please define a reasonable concrete path into a field of IT with financial security, however boring it may be.

Generally it depends how ambitious you want to be. If you want to start low-level, look entry-level jobs doing either IT helpdesk, junior systems analyst, maybe junior software developer if they're willing to let you learn on the job, that kind of stuff.

If you want to do something more complex, maybe spend a few years doing a course at the OU or similar in a field you're interested in (cyber sec, programming, database, networking, etc.) Actually doing the degree will give you pretty much all the core technical knowledge you need to know how the job works, especially if it has practical coursework & exams which most OU computing courses do.

Once you get a job you'll realise that everything you learned in your course is complete nonsense and the real world is completely different, but you should have the problem-solving skills to confidently be able to learn the shit you need and get on with it at that point.

Don't worry about feeling like you're super dumb and don't deserve to be in the role you've been given (like OP) - Impostor Syndrome is a very real think in the IT industry, and it will take a few years before it goes away (4-5 years until mine went away).

>you're expected to know the basics of programming in pretty much any IT field, no?

Nah, there's tons of IT jobs and career paths that barely involve programming at all.

That being said, you'd be hard-pressed to avoid it entirely. You'll probably pick up some PowerShell, bash, maybe Matlab or LaTex depending on your field. Nothing you need to formally train for though. Just stuff you'll learn as you go about your projects and day-to-day tasks.

if its an office job and theres no chance you can brake something expensive or injure yourself or someone else go for it. If it doesn't work out all you lose is some time.

>Take the job
>Just train like a fucking retard in programming unitl you start
its only 3 months exp who the fuck cares they probably train you or something
>Then do your best, try and learn some programming meanwhile u working
either it works out, or you have legit tried and get a couple month pay in contract
EZ

>If you want to do something more complex, maybe spend a few years doing a course at the OU
Is open university pricing comparable to actual unis? I need money man, only a masters degree would be government-funded for me.

>If you want to start low-level, look entry-level jobs doing either IT helpdesk, junior systems analyst, maybe junior software developer if they're willing to let you learn on the job, that kind of stuff.
I need to get my foot on the ladder somewhere. I mean, I basically earned 12k a year at my last wageslave supermarket job, anything higher than that and where I can reasonably move upwards in a short amount of time would be great.

My peers are earning in the region of 45k-70k, and I'm still a grunt that moves boxes for peanuts.

>> Matlab or LaTex

doubt

you're not wrong; a lot of places have been migrating from matlab to python, due to the licensing being an absolute nightmare.

No one use matlab for general purpose programming. It's not something a sysadmin or network engineer would randomly pick up. One might pick up Java or C#. A lot of IT people use powershell and it's the sort of thing you might pick up to automate tasks, but it's not a programming language. It's a scripting language.

BTW, matlab stands for matrix laboratory not math lab. Try not to get it wrong as it'll go a long way to exposing that you're more of stream of jargon than a fountain of knowledge.

not that user, but what kind of experience do they usually look for for those entry-level jobs? specifically towards the networking end

i have an unrelated university degree and took a handful of python/java courses, plus the above-average computer knowledge everyone here claims to have. and some office intern experience that i might be able to bullshit, but nothing official.

I agree with the other guy 3 months isn't much. When you find out what program or tasks they need done you can Google until you have the result. Just copy and paste code until you get them what they need.

Learning as fast as possible general code is much harder than knowing the tasks and finding what needs to be done for it.

Learn terminology of programming
IDEs
Different languages etc so when other people ask you general questions you can off like proper

java and c# knower here, I still have no fucking clue what powershell is. what is it commonly used for? what's its advantage?

nice digits, just wanna say that and be on my merry way

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>Is it illegal to lie about being competent?
Don't lie to them about anything they can verify, e.g. degrees, certs, etc. But you can lie all day about it if you're vague enough, "Yeah, I can handle this work, I believe I am competent".

they'll find out the first week you're there

>The pay is 700 dollars a day

So you're telling me that there are people out there in the world RIGHT NOW that are making this kinda money. Smdh senpai.

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No one seems to have real answers if you haven't got somewhere already. I've been looking at all the IT helpdesk positions and they all require at least one year of experience at another place.

Bumping for a real answer 001.

They pay 30-50% tax and have to wake up early and have to be at a place for 8 hours a day.

So?
It's better than UK NEETbux. How am I supposed to build a murrsuit/fursuit on 300 pounds a month?

My point wasn't that it's used for general purpose programming; the point is it's used by non-programmers in other fields (mathematicians, business analysts, researchers, etc.)

So you don't need to formally learn it, but if you do a research project you are probably going to use python at some point to transform the data in some way.

IT admin tasks in a windows environment.

Trying to execute powershell in C# as part of complex apps is the absolute devil. It's not as bad as directly working with COM objects, but it might as well be.

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>IT helpdesk, junior systems analyst, maybe junior software developer

They all seem to require at least a year's worth of work experience. Why is everything so insurmountable unless it's grunt work?

>Why is everything so insurmountable unless it's grunt work?
Honestly, because they are highly technical jobs that require a lot of knowledge you can only really get through experience.

You need to blag your way on to an entry level job, then the doors open. You don't even have to stay working at that job very long; the experience alone will be invaluable.

>You need to blag your way on to an entry level job
By lying about experience?